Who's closer to a flag, Fremantle or West Coast?

[StCicatriz]

This isn't a good thing. You haven't got enough youth developing because you traded your picks for a loaf of stale bread.

To further compromise your list, you traded out your 1st round pick in a super draft for a few 2nd round picks in a draft regarded as one of the worst in a while.

West Coast is cooked and you're all too delusional to see it. Maybe if you didn't all leave your matches at half time during a loss, you'd see how bad your squad is.

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The reason west coast did that is due to two of their big name out of contract players. 1 of which is a free agent the other I am unsure of

So what they're doing is trying to sure up the immediate concern in remaining competitive to keep them. If it fails well they'll have at worst another first rounder coming back in 2018

It's worth the punt IMO you don't lose.

 

[StCicatriz]

East Perth played 11 west coast players in 2014 , Why are you so obsessed with Freo?? i quite frankly am not a peel supporter anyway i go for Claremont , But i do take an interest in how the boys go when they play back there

Have a look at the type of player they played in 2014 as well

You don't have 16-18 AFL listed players named with 2 gun WAFL players to go with it. Of the 16-18 AFL listed players are number were seasoned veterans.

Chris bond has a lot to answer for. The sooner freo move past him the better off their club will be.

 

[StCicatriz]

My thoughts exactly. And it wasn't a shot at the Eagles who were excellent at home but they weren't ever in the Grand Final. Freo were right in the game and the first quarter nerves, poor kicking for goal and a dumb McPharlin 50m penalty really put them behind the 8 ball. That was the windiest Grand Final I've been to and Freo weren't helped starting with the breeze and wasting it.

Freo were only competitive for a qtr. Hawthorn managed that game easily. Short possession tempo controlled game rendered ross lyons 2008 press completely ineffectual

Freo fans like to think they had a competitive grand final but the reality is they were never close

 

[bh90210fan]

This isn't a good thing. You haven't got enough youth developing because you traded your picks for a loaf of stale bread.

To further compromise your list, you traded out your 1st round pick in a super draft for a few 2nd round picks in a draft regarded as one of the worst in a while.

West Coast is cooked and you're all too delusional to see it. Maybe if you didn't all leave your matches at half time during a loss, you'd see how bad your squad is.

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Mitchell and Petrie might be stale bread but Kersten and McCarthy are genuine potatoes. At least Mitchell and Petrie are champions of the game and can offer plenty more to the club in their retirement

Talk about trading out of next years super draft. You guys only have one pick in the first four rounds don’t you?

As for fans leaving the ground early, I seem to remember your last game at Subi only a few months ago where half the stadium emptied during the game and didn’t get to see the lap of honour and fireworks show following yet another 100 point loss

 

[StCicatriz]

West coast may need a rebuild but a club will never call a rebuild whilst they are still playing and winning finals

If port Adelaide had flogged the you know what's out of em or if melbourne took their spot then the optics on it and the subsequent narrative might be different. But that didn't happen.

The aim here from WCE is to solidify with what they have and a couple of mature agers picked up in the offseason just gone. They're about staying competitive and locking away McGovern and Gaff. If that fails they will have the trade currency to kick off their rebuild in a much much much better draft. Looking back Freo probably wished they were in this position back in 2015, rather than free falling in relatively meh drafts.

The reason why west coast fans are stubborn on their position here is the same reason the freo fans were stuborn in 2015.

The next learning after accepting the rebuild is the realisation on how long a rebuild takes now.

 

[kranky al]

This isn't a good thing. You haven't got enough youth developing because you traded your picks for a loaf of stale bread.

To further compromise your list, you traded out your 1st round pick in a super draft for a few 2nd round picks in a draft regarded as one of the worst in a while.

West Coast is cooked and you're all too delusional to see it. Maybe if you didn't all leave your matches at half time during a loss, you'd see how bad your squad is.

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Tell me more about the last “superdraft”

 

[Yeti]

Tell me more about the last “superdraft”

This year's draft was supposed to stink and yet every club "got a steal" after it .

Look at the players who were touted to go number 1 in this years draft at this time last year. They didn't even make the top 10! Calls of a superdraft 2 years out is preposterous .

Also, only on BigFooty is having the youngest players "winning". If the players have no one to learn off they are going to spend a decade in the wilderness like what happened to Melbourne.

 

[StCicatriz]

This year's draft was supposed to stink and yet every club "got a steal" after it .

Look at the players who were touted to go number 1 in this years draft at this time last year. They didn't even make the top 10! Calls of a superdraft 2 years out is preposterous .

Also, only on BigFooty is having the youngest players "winning". If the players have no one to learn off they are going to spend a decade in the wilderness like what happened to Melbourne.

I've had this same argument on our board. The difference is in how the 17 year olds went against 18-19 year olds that went in the draft just gone.

There were at least half a dozen 17 years who if eligible would have gone pick 1.

Take a player like Ian hill. I have no doubt that freo would have given up picks 2 and 5 if it could get hill.

 

[Freo]

I've had this same argument on our board. The difference is in how the 17 year olds went against 18-19 year olds that went in the draft just gone.

There were at least half a dozen 17 years who if eligible would have gone pick 1.

Take a player like Ian hill. I have no doubt that freo would have given up picks 2 and 5 if it could get hill.

That's daft. No untried draftee is worth two top five picks (disclaimer: maybe Carey or Ablett Snr). Nail those two picks and a team can come on in leaps and bounds in the medium term.

 

[Yeti]

I've had this same argument on our board. The difference is in how the 17 year olds went against 18-19 year olds that went in the draft just gone.

There were at least half a dozen 17 years who if eligible would have gone pick 1.

Take a player like Ian hill. I have no doubt that freo would have given up picks 2 and 5 if it could get hill.

I don't like to speak in absolutes when it comes to statements like this but I am fairly confident that No club, NO CLUB, would give up 2 x Top 5 draft picks for any 17 year old. O'Meara and Hogan are proof of that from the mini draft.

Both were highly touted, O'Meara in particular had GWS trying to hold onto him.

This is a discussion for another thread though, one I would be interested in. Do perceptions of drafts in the lead up match up with the reality? You would need at least 7 years of data to be certain but I am scepticle that this years draft will be as bad as initially touted.

To go back on point Fremantle have started their rebuild and have gutted their list and are rebuilding through the draft and targeting players required in the 22-26yo bracket (Wilson, Hamling, Bennell, Matera).

West Coast will look to add talent quickly to have another shot at GF in the next 4 years while Natanui is in his prime.

Who is closer? Flip a coin, 2 very different lists with 2 very different ways moving forward.

 

[dcutter]

He isn't going to push Matera, Bennell or Walters out as smalls. We need height and contested marking up forward, so one of Cox/Taberner, plus our resting ruckman to play those roles.

That leaves McCarthy as the medium/third tall, and frankly, he's a much more talented footballer.

I'll say it again. Wouldn't get a game for us.

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Absolute nonsense.

Freo would take Darling any date of the week. You think a seasoned hack like Kersten gets a game ahead of Darling?
Mcarthy barely does anyway - drops chest marks much worse than Darling does.

Ballantyne should have been delisted 3 years ago. Taberner and Apeness have been in no mans land for years now.

But hey why try something new? lets stick to what we know, the tried and true Ross Lyon method.

 

[SHill Shall]

Freo were only competitive for a qtr. Hawthorn managed that game easily. Short possession tempo controlled game rendered ross lyons 2008 press completely ineffectual

Freo fans like to think they had a competitive grand final but the reality is they were never close

I can’t be bothered looking it up but my memory is that we were less than a kick down late in Q3 and with all the momentum. It then all went pear shaped pretty quickly from there.

Ross was far closer with your mob - an injustice that he didn’t get to cap it off.

 

[Fyfster]

How old will the following be in 2022:
Fyfe 31
Walters 31
Neale 29
Stephen hill 32
Brad hill 29
Bennell 30
Hamling 29
Wilson 29
Kersten 29

With the following retired:
Johnson
Mundy
Ballantyne
Sandilands

That is why i put 2022 to the outside of my window

 

[Fyfster]

We shall see - I personally think you’re closer to the cliff edge than you think. Redden and Sheed are not going to dominate as your best contested mids behind Shuey. Ah Chee and Partington are effectively unproven as inside AFL mids.

You copped a number of 10 goal beltings last year. I’d personally prefer to be genuinely in contention or in full rebuild. Nothing worse than living in the twilight zone.

It just means a few young guys with enough experience under their belt get to play in their best positions.

Redden and Sheed play midfield instead of hff with the return of Naitanui and recruiting AhChee I don’t see a full rebuild needed like Freo. You guys crashed spectacularly and are still burning.

The younger guys you are on about copped injuries and would’ve got games in Rioli and Venables. Waterman was close and Partington played.

We also played finals last year so we weren’t living at the bottom of the ladder with nothing to play for except being forced into playing kids like you guys

It won’t cost us seasons of 100 point floggings like Fremantle.

Seasons ??? correct if i'm wrong wasn't it only last season ? can't remember any 100 + the year before.

 

[StCicatriz]

That's daft. No untried draftee is worth two top five picks (disclaimer: maybe Carey or Ablett Snr). Nail those two picks and a team can come on in leaps and bounds in the medium term.

Have you seen him play?

 

[StCicatriz]

That is why i put 2022 to the outside of my window

Do it for 2020 then

 

[StCicatriz]

I don't like to speak in absolutes when it comes to statements like this but I am fairly confident that No club, NO CLUB, would give up 2 x Top 5 draft picks for any 17 year old. O'Meara and Hogan are proof of that from the mini draft.

Both were highly touted, O'Meara in particular had GWS trying to hold onto him.

This is a discussion for another thread though, one I would be interested in. Do perceptions of drafts in the lead up match up with the reality? You would need at least 7 years of data to be certain but I am scepticle that this years draft will be as bad as initially touted.

To go back on point Fremantle have started their rebuild and have gutted their list and are rebuilding through the draft and targeting players required in the 22-26yo bracket (Wilson, Hamling, Bennell, Matera).

West Coast will look to add talent quickly to have another shot at GF in the next 4 years while Natanui is in his prime.

Who is closer? Flip a coin, 2 very different lists with 2 very different ways moving forward.

Inflationary affect has kicked in now with the change in draft trade dynamics.

Have you seen hill play?

 

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GO FRECOAST

 

[Carson Dial]

Freo were only competitive for a qtr. Hawthorn managed that game easily. Short possession tempo controlled game rendered ross lyons 2008 press completely ineffectual

Freo fans like to think they had a competitive grand final but the reality is they were never close

Clearly you weren’t at the game.

 

[Carson Dial]

Do it for 2020 then

Lock it in.

 

[bh90210fan]

Seasons ??? correct if i'm wrong wasn't it only last season ? can't remember any 100 + the year before.

No, sorry I got it wrong. 2016 only saw a couple of 90 point hidings

 

[Fyfster]

Do it for 2020 then

Why ? Hawthorn did well with players in that very same age bracket

 

[Fyfster]

No, sorry I got it wrong. 2016 only saw a couple of 90 point hidings

And 2015? Let's face we haven't been great in the last two years , But anybody who thinks that is the status quo is in for a rude awakening

 

[Fyfster]

Have you seen him play?

No but i have seen hyped up draft expectations turn into flops

 

[Fyfster]

Mitchell and Petrie might be stale bread but Kersten and McCarthy are genuine potatoes.

They may turn out to be potatoes , But the potential shelf life was much higher than two 32 yr olds , No Fremantle supporter wishes Mitchell well , But i hope Petrie has a great coaching career with you