Who's closer to a flag, Fremantle or West Coast?

[Bestbird]

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https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=19&type=A&pid1=3931&pid2=3471&fid1=C&fid2=C

Their isn't a huge difference in terms of stats. Darling major difference is his tackles and mark averaging 1.5 more than McCarthy.

McCarthy has only played 40 games and will get better.

It amazed me that Darling's best year was his second year and seem to not improve much.

McCarthy kicked 25 goals coming off a year out and a side that was bottom 5.

The bottom line is Darling is pretty good and McCarthy will close the gap next season.

Regarding your footywire stats. Mccarthy was only ahead in 3 of 23. Insids 50. Uncontested and clangers. His form trajectory is actually going the other way with his first half of the 2015 season with GWS way better than anything since.

 

[eastfreo75]

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Regarding your footywire stats. Mccarthy was only ahead in 3 of 23. Insids 50. Uncontested and clangers. His form trajectory is actually going the other way with his first half of the 2015 season with GWS way better than anything since.

A year off football has nothing to do with that.

Plus I never said that McCarthy was better than or equal to Darling.

I am saying is that McCarthy isn't crap and the difference between the players isn't as great as what people are making out.

 

[The Joker]

I am saying is that McCarthy isn't crap...

He hasnt been anything special either, Brad Sheppard levels of 'average' actually!!!

 

[Forward Press]

A year off football has nothing to do with that.

Plus I never said that McCarthy was better than or equal to Darling.

I am saying is that McCarthy isn't crap and the difference between the players isn't as great as what people are making out.

Yep Darling is ahead of McCarthy imo but the latter showed glimpses at GWS and he still had plenty of time on his side. Would no doubt improve as Freo improve. Taberner is also developing okay - KPFs always take time.

Kersten is the Freo forward I am not convinced about. Not yet anyway.

 

[eastfreo75]

He hasnt been anything special either, Brad Sheppard levels of 'average' actually!!!

I never said Sheppard is crap. Just that Yeo and Hurn are better and Duggan I really like. Duggan will be better than him.

 

[eastfreo75]

Yep Darling is ahead of McCarthy imo but the latter showed glimpses at GWS and he still had plenty of time on his side. Would no doubt improve as Freo improve. Taberner is also developing okay - KPFs always take time.

Kersten is the Freo forward I am not convinced about. Not yet anyway.

Darlings second year was pretty amazing with 53 goals.
I really like O Allen as a forward as well but in the end we need to take 5 years to reall know.

 

[Kram]

Kersten is the Freo forward I am not convinced about. Not yet anyway.

Big whipping boy on our board.

 

[Fyfster]

Kersten is the Freo forward I am not convinced about. Not yet anyway.

Good call , 2018 will be his season to either stand up and be counted , Or forever be that coulda been shoulda been type of player , Has showed signs including a 4 or 5 goal haul full of merit for Geelong

 

[WCE_phil]

There is barely a player in the AFL as a whole that Cripps outpoints - surely!

88 goals and the top ranked defensive forward in the league over the last 3 seasons. I guess it must be hard living up to the high standards freo forwards set.

 

[Fyfster]

Darlings second year was pretty amazing with 53 goals.

That's when i thought this kid is going to be a superstar ,If i was a recruiter would have thrown the kitchen sink at him (would have finished up with egg on my face) He hasn't been what i thought he was going to be , but still a good player

 

[Obeanie1]

Missed the point of the post... but given your posting not really surprising.

Play on with your agenda...

Sorry to have an opinion different to yours and a better understanding of both Freo and Eagles lists.

As the Freo poster said they dont have Johnson in their best 22 and there would be three other fullbacks picked before Johnson in a combined side. Hamling, Barrass and MacKenzie are all in front of Johnson simply due to age, fitness and even then skills are line ball.

McCarthy may well end up better than Darling but to date that hasnt happened. He needs more support from other kp forwards to play / reach his best IMO. Daŕling has that but has actually played better without Kennedy.

There are plenty of Freo players better yhan Eagles players and visa versa. I just didnt agree with two selections you made and said so,

If you are going to get snooty about something
Ike that then maybe BigFooty isnt the place for you.

 

[Obeanie1]

88 goals and the top ranked defensive forward in the league over the last 3 seasons. I guess it must be hard living up to the high standards freo forwards set.

And Cripps has picked up a couple of troublesome ankle injuries in those years which decreased his output. So not bad averaging 29.6 goals a season plus doing his job as a defensive forward.

He's missed a lot of easy goals as well.

 

[Obeanie1]

Hurn retires, and Yeo moves into the midfield that back line looks pretty thin in terms of talent.

Kennedy and Le Cras retire the eagles only have Cripps and Darling as proven talent.

Shuey, Yeo and Gaff are all elite midfeilders but after that I only see a bunch of solid foot soldiers. Duggan could turn into an elite talent but again that robs your back line.

Venables hasn't played a single game of AFL and his WAFL form isn't special. Sure, his injuries has restricted him but nothing he has done to say elite talent. In fact, in juniors he was production was low.

Teams atm, the eagles are better but we are two years ahead of a rebuild.

Ok now we are looking forward two years.

Hurn retires as does EMac, Le cras with Kennedy three years away.

Brander takes CHB, Barrass full back and McGovern plays Hurns half back role. Duggan I feel will end up a gun half back and Yeo also plays as a back / utility.

In the wings are Cole, Rotham and Nelson.

Oscar Allen teams up with Darling forward with the resting ruck in Lycett or Vardy who will be 27/28.

Venables is looking the goods, just needs to stay fit.

 

[Fyfster]

88 goals and the top ranked defensive forward in the league over the last 3 seasons. I guess it must be hard living up to the high standards freo forwards set.

Cripps has played 69 matches in the last 3 years , including finals and kicked 88 goals at an average of 1.275 to be exact , Ballas who we all admit is way over the hill has played 45 games at an average of 1.140 in the last 3 years , At his peak and in the same age demographic as Cripps he was averaging 1.9 goals a game and was the best defensive forward bar none , So i would say that Ballas has lived up to Cripps lofty standards even as a veteran , At the same age no comparison

 

[Fyfster]

88 goals and the top ranked defensive forward in the league over the last 3 seasons. I guess it must be hard living up to the high standards freo forwards set.

Oh BTW who ranked him as the best defensive forward? , Not being smart , Just curious

 

[Fyfster]

Ok now we are looking forward two years.

Hurn retires as does EMac, Le cras with Kennedy three years away.

Brander takes CHB, Barrass full back and McGovern plays Hurns half back role. Duggan I feel will end up a gun half back and Yeo also plays as a back / utility.

In the wings are Cole, Rotham and Nelson.

Oscar Allen teams up with Darling forward with the resting ruck in Lycett or Vardy who will be 27/28.

Venables is looking the goods, just needs to stay fit.

Le Cras next year , Kennedy will be interesting , how his body holds up will determine his fate Full forwards can traditionally play longer so 3 years yep a good chance, Mcgovern does not play Hurns role that is crazy , Mcgovern plays Mcgovern's role and you find another for Hurns role,How your recruits pan out i can't comment on . The rest sounds plausible

 

[Obeanie1]

Le Cras next year , Kennedy will be interesting , how his body holds up will determine his fate Full forwards can traditionally play longer so 3 years yep a good chance, Mcgovern does not play Hurns role that is crazy , Mcgovern plays Mcgovern's role and you find another for Hurns role,How your recruits pan out i can't comment on . The rest sounds plausible

Hurn in the past played the intercepting half back who rebounds by run and attacks with a long kick. That is McGoverns game he's just 6cm taller. You can have two of those types but in the end you do need a lock down type tall back and that would be Brander.

So its not crazy saying when Hurn retires McGovern takes over the backline general role who intercepts long kicks and repels with long precision kicks. Hurn is the better kick though. McGovern is also reasonably quick and mobil so playing as a third tall attacking back is a good use of his skills.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sorry to have an opinion different to yours and a better understanding of both Freo and Eagles lists.

As the Freo poster said they dont have Johnson in their best 22 and there would be three other fullbacks picked before Johnson in a combined side. Hamling, Barrass and MacKenzie are all in front of Johnson simply due to age, fitness and even then skills are line ball.

McCarthy may well end up better than Darling but to date that hasnt happened. He needs more support from other kp forwards to play / reach his best IMO. Daŕling has that but has actually played better without Kennedy.

There are plenty of Freo players better yhan Eagles players and visa versa. I just didnt agree with two selections you made and said so,

If you are going to get snooty about something
Ike that then maybe BigFooty isnt the place for you.

Again, you missed the whole point by getting caught up in specifics... but play on with your own game...

Also, my post was hardly worth getting personal over either, which says something about the levels of your maturity...

 

[Obeanie1]

Again, you missed the whole point by getting caught up in specifics... but play on with your own game...

Also, my post was hardly worth getting personal over either, which says something about the levels of your maturity...

That response says plenty about your maturity actually.

Someone disagrees with a couple of your best combined Eagles / Freo team players, goes and provides the rational behind why and your only come back has been 'you missed the point', 'you have an agenda', 'you are focusing too much on specifics' and now its 'you are getting personal and lack maturity'.

You havent come up with anything specific to support your view or counter the other viewpoints raised. Then you claim others lack maturity. Really?

Instead of cheap throw away lines why not post something of substance which is on topic that further explains your view.

 

[Kram]

That's when i thought this kid is going to be a superstar ,If i was a recruiter would have thrown the kitchen sink at him (would have finished up with egg on my face) He hasn't been what i thought he was going to be , but still a good player

His problem is that he has a heart the size of a pea.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

That response says plenty about your maturity actually.

Someone disagrees with a couple of your best combined Eagles / Freo team players, goes and provides the rational behind why and your only come back has been 'you missed the point', 'you have an agenda', 'you are focusing too much on specifics' and now its 'you are getting personal and lack maturity'.

You havent come up with anything specific to support your view or counter the other viewpoints raised. Then you claim others lack maturity. Really?

Instead of cheap throw away lines why not post something of substance which is on topic that further explains your view.

I suggest you re-read my posts as you have missed my main point... which was that both WA sides have significant holes in their lists & I doubt will make the finals... yet you want to drag this into which weagle player is more awesome than the Freo player... which frankly is irrelevant!

 

[twotooto]

Le Cras next year , Kennedy will be interesting , how his body holds up will determine his fate Full forwards can traditionally play longer so 3 years yep a good chance, Mcgovern does not play Hurns role that is crazy , Mcgovern plays Mcgovern's role and you find another for Hurns role,How your recruits pan out i can't comment on . The rest sounds plausible

Locate the full stop key brother.

 

[Joao]

Shuey, Yeo and Gaff are A Grade quality in the roles they have been playing, but none of them have been able to secure more contested possessions than uncontested at any point in their careers. Someone is going to need to do that for WC in 2018 with the Pritchell retirements. Shuey, Redden and Sheed are the best bets, but that wouldn’t strike fear into the hearts of opposing mid brigades.

Also, at least two of Partington, Venables, Ryan and Rioli would be expected to come into the side with only one having debuted thus far.

That’s a lot of steel that will be missing, with only NN coming back in to help balance that.

I don't disagree that Yeo is quality when playing half back, but the post I quoted explicitly stated he was an a-grade midfielder which he is frankly nowhere near being.

Last season, he played most of the first half of the season as a half back and was gunning it. Then Simmo moved him around to the middle and forward and his form dropped off massively. I for one thought he was very lucky to be AA. Howe was much more consistent across HB.

He would have to improve massively to get anywhere near covering Priddis or Mitchell, let alone being a genuine A grade mid. Just leave him at half back.

 

[Fyfster]

Locate the full stop key brother.

Don't care...........

 

[imperial_oz]

Locate the full stop key brother.

Locate the comma key, brother.

Sorry, I'll see myself out......