Who's closer to a flag, Fremantle or West Coast?

Who is closer to a flag, Fremantle or West Coast

  • Fremantle

    Votes: 247 62.8%
  • West Coast

    Votes: 146 37.2%

  • Total voters
    393

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An overweight injured rookie, a mature ager that is constantly reamed by a no name, a PA reserves reject ,an over the hill Frenchman and a below par midfield . Hardly a glowing endorsement for WC's forward half.

Bennell that ex Cats guy I cant recall Walters
Matera McCathy Ballantyne

So a drunk banished to Peel, Kristen, a Matera who the Eagles didnt even consider as a FA and Ballentyne who's 31.

Walters by far the best forward but playing serious midfield minutes.

Now the Eagles back line is by far its best group.

Sheppard EMac Hurn
Duggan McGovern Yeo

Bench Barrass.

Would flog the Freo forward six.

As for forwards.

Cripps Darling Le cras
Ryan Kennedy Rioli

Vardy as a back up kp. Venables to take Le cras place this season.

Has kicked big scores and would have that Freo backline shitting bricks.
 
Both teams have big holes in their sides & I doubt will make finals, but if you could combine them...

B: Barrass, Johnson, Hurn
HB: Wilson, McGovern, Yeo
C: S Hill, Fyfe, Gaff
HF: Walters, McCarthy, B Hill
F: Naitanui, Kennedy, Le Cras
R: Sandilands, Shuey, Neale
I: Sheppard, Sheed, Blakely, Bennell

Stopped reading after Johnson.

The guy has been cooked for a while, knee is pretty well stuffed.

Oh and McCathy..........really?
 
Stopped reading after Johnson.

The guy has been cooked for a while, knee is pretty well stuffed.

Oh and McCathy..........really?
Would not of had Johnson in that side either , Actually many Freo forum contributors do not even have him in our best 22 projections for next season , Mcarthy he put him in instead of Darling which i found interesting
 
Would not of had Johnson in that side either , Actually many Freo forum contributors do not even have him in our best 22 projections for next season , Mcarthy he put him in instead of Darling which i found interesting
I deliberately picked half & half.

Imo, not much between Darling & McCarthy. Splitting hairs.

Was tossing up between Hamling & Johnson.

Point remains is that both sides have plenty of holes in their list... but they actually compliment each other quite well.
 
Stopped reading after Johnson.

The guy has been cooked for a while, knee is pretty well stuffed.

Oh and McCathy..........really?
Missed the point of the post... but given your posting not really surprising.

Play on with your agenda...
 
Bennell that ex Cats guy I cant recall Walters
Matera McCathy Ballantyne

So a drunk banished to Peel, Kristen, a Matera who the Eagles didnt even consider as a FA and Ballentyne who's 31.

Walters by far the best forward but playing serious midfield minutes.

Now the Eagles back line is by far its best group.

Sheppard EMac Hurn
Duggan McGovern Yeo

Bench Barrass.

Would flog the Freo forward six.

As for forwards.

Cripps Darling Le cras
Ryan Kennedy Rioli

Vardy as a back up kp. Venables to take Le cras place this season.

Has kicked big scores and would have that Freo backline shitting bricks.
Hurn retires, and Yeo moves into the midfield that back line looks pretty thin in terms of talent.

Kennedy and Le Cras retire the eagles only have Cripps and Darling as proven talent.

Shuey, Yeo and Gaff are all elite midfeilders but after that I only see a bunch of solid foot soldiers. Duggan could turn into an elite talent but again that robs your back line.

Venables hasn't played a single game of AFL and his WAFL form isn't special. Sure, his injuries has restricted him but nothing he has done to say elite talent. In fact, in juniors he was production was low.

Teams atm, the eagles are better but we are two years ahead of a rebuild.
 

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When i said that exact same thing to a West coast supporter i got laughed at , i believe Mccarthy will improve this year , Many people forget he had a year out of the game.
Darling at 25 would already be a clear 2nd in Fremantles all time goal kicker tally by 40 goals, but yeah McCarthys awesome. Let’s just pretend 2017 never happened
 
Hurn retires, and Yeo moves into the midfield that back line looks pretty thin in terms of talent.

Kennedy and Le Cras retire the eagles only have Cripps and Darling as proven talent.

Shuey, Yeo and Gaff are all elite midfeilders but after that I only see a bunch of solid foot soldiers. Duggan could turn into an elite talent but again that robs your back line.

Venables hasn't played a single game of AFL and his WAFL form isn't special. Sure, his injuries has restricted him but nothing he has done to say elite talent. In fact, in juniors he was production was low.

Teams atm, the eagles are better but we are two years ahead of a rebuild.

Not necessarily, given how we've been playing under Simmo the HBF spot may see our midfielders rotated through. Yeo, Jetta and Duggan might find themselves down back at times.

I expect Yeo to still spend significant time in the defensive half and hopeful that some other mid (eg Sheed) steps up in the centre. Venables is an interesting proposition - we didn't recruit him for ball winning, though. Still, too early to judge his impact this year, has a few ahead of him in the pecking order at the moment. Partington is the one I'm more bullish about this year.

I do agree that Freo are ahead on the rebuild at the moment but as we all know that doesn't guarantee flags. I don't think anyone predicted Richmond would win the flag same time last year when they were also clearly rebuilding after missing finals. I don't think either of us are winning this year, though.
 
Darling at 25 would already be a clear 2nd in Fremantles all time goal kicker tally by 40 goals, but yeah McCarthys awesome. Let’s just pretend 2017 never happened
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=19&type=A&pid1=3931&pid2=3471&fid1=C&fid2=C

Their isn't a huge difference in terms of stats. Darling major difference is his tackles and mark averaging 1.5 more than McCarthy.

McCarthy has only played 40 games and will get better.

It amazed me that Darling's best year was his second year and seem to not improve much.

McCarthy kicked 25 goals coming off a year out and a side that was bottom 5.

The bottom line is Darling is pretty good and McCarthy will close the gap next season.
 
Not necessarily, given how we've been playing under Simmo the HBF spot may see our midfielders rotated through. Yeo, Jetta and Duggan might find themselves down back at times.

I expect Yeo to still spend significant time in the defensive half and hopeful that some other mid (eg Sheed) steps up in the centre. Venables is an interesting proposition - we didn't recruit him for ball winning, though. Still, too early to judge his impact this year, has a few ahead of him in the pecking order at the moment. Partington is the one I'm more bullish about this year.

I do agree that Freo are ahead on the rebuild at the moment but as we all know that doesn't guarantee flags. I don't think anyone predicted Richmond would win the flag same time last year when they were also clearly rebuilding after missing finals. I don't think either of us are winning this year, though.
Great post.
 
Hurn retires, and Yeo moves into the midfield that back line looks pretty thin in terms of talent.

Kennedy and Le Cras retire the eagles only have Cripps and Darling as proven talent.

Shuey, Yeo and Gaff are all elite midfeilders but after that I only see a bunch of solid foot soldiers. Duggan could turn into an elite talent but again that robs your back line.

Venables hasn't played a single game of AFL and his WAFL form isn't special. Sure, his injuries has restricted him but nothing he has done to say elite talent. In fact, in juniors he was production was low.

Teams atm, the eagles are better but we are two years ahead of a rebuild.
Err not even close.

Yeo is a gun half back. He is a mediocre midfielder. They should leave him in the backline.
 
Darling at 25 would already be a clear 2nd in Fremantles all time goal kicker tally by 40 goals, but yeah McCarthys awesome. Let’s just pretend 2017 never happened
I never said he was awesome , He has only played 40 games and had a year out of the game , 2017 being the first season back , So i am not ready to base my whole opinion of him based on one season ,I believe he has more upside , And a Darling like 40 goal season in 2018 would not surprise
 
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=19&type=A&pid1=3931&pid2=3471&fid1=C&fid2=C

Their isn't a huge difference in terms of stats. Darling major difference is his tackles and mark averaging 1.5 more than McCarthy.

McCarthy has only played 40 games and will get better.

It amazed me that Darling's best year was his second year and seem to not improve much.

McCarthy kicked 25 goals coming off a year out and a side that was bottom 5.

The bottom line is Darling is pretty good and McCarthy will close the gap next season.

We kick the ball to Kennedy way too often, even when he is triple teamed or the loose man is guarding his space. There was a stat floating around that for the last two years we targeted him more often than even Richmond with Riewoldt.

No surprise his best year was when Kennedy was largely absent with injury.
 
Err not even close.

Yeo is a gun half back. He is a mediocre midfielder. They should leave him in the backline.

Shuey, Yeo and Gaff are A Grade quality in the roles they have been playing, but none of them have been able to secure more contested possessions than uncontested at any point in their careers. Someone is going to need to do that for WC in 2018 with the Pritchell retirements. Shuey, Redden and Sheed are the best bets, but that wouldn’t strike fear into the hearts of opposing mid brigades.

Also, at least two of Partington, Venables, Ryan and Rioli would be expected to come into the side with only one having debuted thus far.

That’s a lot of steel that will be missing, with only NN coming back in to help balance that.
 
No rational team would outlay a draft pick that low in a small without the prospect of them becoming a top quality mid.

Sheppard went that high partially because he was from WA and partially because he filled an immediate gap in our team. We were (and to an extent still are) getting slaughtered by small forwards. If you look at the 2009 draft class it wasn't exactly the best with barely any WA talent, Fyfe excluded. Obviously at the time we thought Fyfe wasn't worth a pick 7 (even you guys took Morabito before him) and the ones drafted around him haven't exactly shone either. Dusty was never sliding to us in the first place.

None of the draft profiles and news I could find mooted Sheppard as a mid.
 
In his own words on your own website he states he is a running player with ability to play half back/half forward and in the middle:

http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2009-11-26/7-brad-sheppard

No doubt they would have had high hopes that he developed into more than he has. Still - Morabito delivered much less as it transpired for our pick 4, so nothing’s certain in life.

I don't doubt we'd hoped he could play in other positions, especially as a running defender you'd think he'd adapt to a wing position of some kind or even an outside mid. I believe he had spurts on the wing in the U18s too.

But his main calling is defence. Some players just cannot play in other areas at AFL level.

In any event thread is probably getting off track now and I still stand by my opinion that Sheppard isn't an average player, and that he's one of our top players and first selected for the past few years now.
 
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