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And even that marriage, at the board level anyway, appears to be heading for a divorce. Or so it is written.
why aren't Fitzroy's premierships considered part of Brisbane Lions history?
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From a statistical POV, there's three options:
1> Call the BL the BB, thereby ignoring any Fitzroy involvement.
2> Mash the FL and BB histories together somehow, completely unviable.
3> Deem the new arrangement as a new team, representing both clubs.
3 seemed to be the path of least resistance, at least for me.
1> Call the BL the BB, thereby ignoring any Fitzroy involvement.
2> Mash the FL and BB histories together somehow, completely unviable.
3> Deem the new arrangement as a new team, representing both clubs.
3 seemed to be the path of least resistance, at least for me.
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They are the same club. The AFL counts them as one.
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Why can’t the Brisbane Lions simply be a rebranded Brisbane Bears? Other clubs such as Footscray have rebranded.
Love your work RoyLion, but does an alarm go off at your place fireman style when somebody mentions Fitzroy?
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Channel 7 don't include the Bears record when showing the head to head on screen between Brisbane and whoever they happen to be playing.
For example on Friday night, the head to head record shown by Channel 7 was:
St Kilda - 16 wins
Brisbane - 20 wins
Also, I saw someone mention Brisbane having a winning record against the Crows and Port in Adelaide, once again not including the Bears record.
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You don’t get alerts on your account when a post is made in a thread that you’ve already contributed to?Love your work RoyLion, but does an alarm go off at your place fireman style when somebody mentions Fitzroy?
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Over the past 27 years I’ve seen all sorts of ways various media outlets have counted the Brisbane records.
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Yet the AFL allowed Jasper Fletcher to be recruited under the father son rule playing 86 games for Brisbane Bears & 21 games for the Brisbane Lions.
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Same club.
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Well west coast are struggling LoL
Jonathan Brown then ?
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Western Bulldogs or Footscray are not a merged or relocated club.
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bears existed from 1987-1996.Fitzroy
lions were in the VFL and AFL from 1896-1996. Established in 1883.They merged in 1996. Fitzroy essentially moved to Queensland and merged with Brisbane.
South Melbourne moved to NSW in 1982 to become the Sydney Swans.
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Look at the SANFL.....
Woodville - West Torrens eagles came into the league in 1991. They have won 5 sanfl flags... 1993, 2006, 2011, 2020 and 2021.
Woodville west Torrens merged at the end of 1990.
Woodville existed between 1964-1990. Won no SANFL flags but won a few finals.
West Torrens were around since the 1890s. Won 4 SANFL flags. 1924, 1933, 1945 and 1953.
Woodville - West Torrens eagles came into the league in 1991. They have won 5 sanfl flags... 1993, 2006, 2011, 2020 and 2021.
Woodville west Torrens merged at the end of 1990.
Woodville existed between 1964-1990. Won no SANFL flags but won a few finals.
West Torrens were around since the 1890s. Won 4 SANFL flags. 1924, 1933, 1945 and 1953.
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AFL ruling. They wanted to market a 'merger' and keep a vestige of Fitzroy in the competition to retain at least some of the Fitzroy supporter base and in turn strengthen Brisbane's Victorian membership base.
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No they are not. They are a rebranded club, same as the Brisbane Bears / Lions.
Brisbane
And were re-branded as the Brisbane Lions in 1996 for the 1997 season
Fitzroy
VFA 1884-1895, VFL/AFL 1896-1996, VAFA 2009 --> present.
Fitzroy Football Club exist in their own right in Victoria still. Fitzroy Football Club celebrate their 140th birthday this coming Tuesday (26th September). This has been gone through ad nauseum elsewhere.
They did.
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Port Power and Port Magpies, same club or two different clubs?Western Bulldogs or Footscray are not a merged or relocated club.
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Fitzroy
They merged in 1996. Fitzroy essentially moved to Queensland and merged with Brisbane.
South Melbourne moved to NSW in 1982 to become the Sydney Swans.
Remember when Port joined the AFL and the SANFL created a new club called PAMFC because they wanted to retain their biggest and most successful club? They weren't allowed to base themselves at Alberton either.
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Might have something to do with the circumstances around both clubs being separate legal identities under the AFL structure. I don’t recall seeing any statement from the AFL that clarified the reason though.
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What's Fitzroy got to do with the Brisbane Lions? Fitzroy still exist in Melbourne for crying out loud, and the Fitzroy flags belong to them. The merger was a sham.
Very simple. PAFC played in the SANFL until 1997 then entered the AFL, PAMFC was established to replace them, in 2010 they merged and now they're the same club. PAMFC won two SANFL premierships on top of PAFC's 36, now that they're merged it's one total of 38. It's one club with 1 AFL flag and 38 SANFL flags, for a time they were technically separate clubs but now they're one. That's actually why Port play Never Tear Us Apart.
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Brisbane have elected to represent Fitzroy's VFL-AFL identity and heritage in their own club by rebranding themselves to more closely represent Fitzroy using AFL owned intellectual property such as the "Fitzroy lion logo". They've done so with the AFL's permission. Given Fitzroy will never be back in the AFL (now playing in the VAFA) I don't see too much problem with that.
Noticed this article lists Brisbane Lions, Brisbane Bears and Fitzroy brownlow medalists all as part of the same club, that correct?
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Club-by-club guide: Every team's best Brownlow chance, top three
Your one-stop shop for all you need to know about every club's Brownlow Medal hopes
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