Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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From this point if you're going to make a connection between Islam and the crime rate, you need to demonstrate causation in your post. If you do not, I'm going to infract you for the inherent racism in the position you're taking.

 

[Total Power]

This.

Just like I support peoples rights to love who they want, I support their rights to worship how they want. Do no harm, and we're all good.

I oppose Nazis, but have no issue with conservatives generally. I don't attribute the beliefs of the hard Right wing with Right wingers generally, nor do I say we should outlaw Conservatives.

They stray too far Right and start hailing Hitler, and we can talk.

I also oppose Islamist jihadists, but have no issue with Muslims generally.

Your average Joe Muslim (and thats 99.9 percent of them) I have no issue with. The tiny number of extremist dickheads waving the Black Flag and flying over to Syria can ****ing stay there or rot in a prison.

Think how you want, believe in what you want to believe in, vote how you want, live and love how you want. Cross the line into harming other people, and then I'm more than happy for you to get smacked down.

Forget about Jihadists, the number of moral policing in countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan and Middle east is substantially higher. If they get offended cause they felt like you insulted their religion you will either get arrested or flogged to death. The number is much higher than 0.1 percent that you claim. Bangladesh is one such country i have been to and seen it myself. The disproportionate number represented in terrorist attacks in Germany, france, UK etc, is all a result of brainwashing that Salafist mosques are responsible for (not a lone wolf attack) and they are in pretty big numbers.

At what point do you feel like you wish to stab people cause someone offended you by drawing a cartoon or making a joke about your religion in a country that allows freedom of speech? Islam needs reformation, this is Christianity some 600 years ago basically.

 

[sdfc]

Do you say the same thing to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders?

Do you walk into Chinese restaurants and scream at them to eat Vegemite?

Do you yell at people that listen to American music?

When is division along ethnic or social lines ever a good thing?

 

[evolved2]

The point I'm saying is that if you are into liberalism you respect the right for people to have opinions that are different to your own. So you respect peoples rights to be both gender divergent but also anti-gender divergence. It's not an ideological anomaly or a contradiction to be both accepting of LGBTI and islam. It gets contradictory when you praise liberalism but say no to islam. Which is the flawed conservative trick that you play.

Many liberals say no to Nazism and see no contradiction.

I simply do not want more Muslims in Australia. There's only so many we can absorb at once before it starts impacting society negatively. Where that line is drawn, I'm not particularly sure.

I feel it would be a lot less controversial discussion if we were having a lot of Scientology migrants.

 

[Gralin]

When is division along ethnic or social lines ever a good thing?

Are you suggesting that everyone has to be the same for a society to be good?

I guess there should just be one footy team then and we all barrack for them?

Thats even if footy is the chosen one sport

 

[Gralin]

Notice I specifically said Islam, not Muslims.

I wouldn't ban Islam or any religion

I simply do not want more Muslims in Australia.

 

[Gethelred]

Are you suggesting that everyone has to be the same for a society to be good?

I guess there should just be one footy team then and we all barrack for them?

Thats even if footy is the chosen one sport

At least then Freo might win a flag...

 

[sdfc]

Forget about Jihadists, the number of moral policing in countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan and Middle east is substantially higher. If they get offended cause they felt like you insulted their religion you will either get arrested or flogged to death. The number is much higher than 0.1 percent that you claim. Bangladesh is one such country i have been to and seen it myself. The disproportionate number represented in terrorist attacks in Germany, france, UK etc, is all a result of brainwashing that Salafist mosques are responsible for (not a lone wolf attack) and they are in pretty big numbers.

At what point do you feel like you wish to stab people cause someone offended you by drawing a cartoon or making a joke about your religion in a country that allows freedom of speech? Islam needs reformation, this is Christianity some 600 years ago basically.

Maybe we should get out of the ME and stop arming the place.

 

[Gralin]

At least then Freo might win a flag...

 

[sdfc]

Are you suggesting that everyone has to be the same for a society to be good?

I guess there should just be one footy team then and we all barrack for them?

Thats even if footy is the chosen one sport

No. Plenty of people from different backgrounds participate in society without being the same.

 

[sdfc]

Why is division a positive?

 

[evolved2]

I see no contradiction.

I wouldn't ban Nazism either - doesn't mean I want more Nazis in Australia.

 

[Chief]

Why is division a positive?

What is your definition of "division" here?

 

[sdfc]

What is your definition of "division" here?

When a group see themselves at odds with wider society, It builds resentment.

 

[10571z]

Do you say the same thing to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders?

Do you walk into Chinese restaurants and scream at them to eat Vegemite?

Do you yell at people that listen to American music?

All of those things are part of Australia culture… the burqa isn’t and should never be

 

[ZEV]

I see no contradiction.

I wouldn't ban Nazism either - doesn't mean I want more Nazis in Australia.

So no to More Muslims, but free up restrictions on Nazis….

 

[Total Power]

Maybe we should get out of the ME and stop arming the place.

Is it an excuse for people who are born in the UK to bomb their own people?

 

[sdfc]

Is it an excuse for people who are born in the UK to bomb their own people?

Nothing excuses that violence but the ideology emanates from the ME. Remove the excuse.

 

[Total Power]

Nothing excuses that violence but the ideology emanates from the ME. Remove the excuse.

The ideology emanates from literal interpretation of the Quran. Mo had cut many a heads being a warlord himself. If you read the Reliance of travelers , the Shafi school of Islam (one of the major sunni schools), Asks people to accept the Hadiths without question. The haidths have some really nasty **** much worse than the Quran.

 

[sdfc]

The ideology emanates from literal interpretation of the Quran. Mo had cut many a heads being a warlord himself. If you read the Reliance of travelers , the Shafi school of Islam (one of the major sunni schools), Asks people to accept the Hadiths without question. The haidths have some really nasty **** much worse than the Quran.

Which gets us back to closed societies are more susceptible to that bullshit.

Western involvement in ME atrocities is a great selling point.

 

[Total Power]

Which gets us back to closed societies are more susceptible to that bullshit.

Western involvement in ME atrocities is a great selling point.

Precisely the point. Why would a guy born and educated in the UK would fall for that bullshit? if you are ALREADY indoctrinated cause it's apostasy otherwise and the family will reject you, it makes the Salafists job much easier.

 

[sdfc]

Precisely the point. Why would a guy born and educated in the UK would fall for that bullshit? if you are ALREADY indoctrinated cause it's apostasy otherwise and the family will reject you, it makes the Salafists job much easier.

So you're in line with what I said upthread.

Now we've got that out of the way. Why do you think Western involvement in the ME doesn't fuel Islamic terrorism?

 

[Total Power]

So you're in line with what I said upthread.

Now we've got that out of the way. Why do you think Western involvement in the ME doesn't fuel Islamic terrorism?

I never said it doesn't i said it's ripe for picking again, due to the religion and how it's interpreted literally. But Al Islamiyaa and Muslim brotherhood been at it before Bush's war on terror.

 

[sdfc]

I never said it doesn't i said it's ripe for picking again, due to the religion and how it's interpreted literally. But Al Islamiyaa and Muslim brotherhood been at it before Bush's war on terror.

And that ideology finds fertile ground in closed societies, Sure you can point to the odd middle class kid being sucked in. Usually avenging western involvement in the ME and often with a ME spiritual leader.

 

[Total Power]

And that ideology finds fertile ground in closed societies, Sure you can point to the odd middle class kid being sucked in. Usually avenging western involvement in the ME and often with a ME spiritual leader.

But riots and violence for depictions of Mo is nothing new though. Has happened for centuries long before the western involvement.

 

[sdfc]

But riots and violence for depictions of Mo is nothing new though. Has happened for centuries long before the western involvement.

There are shitloads of Muslims participating in broader society. Being Muslim is no barrier. Sitting in little enclaves echoing your own bullshit is.