Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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From this point if you're going to make a connection between Islam and the crime rate, you need to demonstrate causation in your post. If you do not, I'm going to infract you for the inherent racism in the position you're taking.

 

[Chief]

Something I've mentioned before - the left are importing their own voter base.

You know we've discussed the grifters great replacement theory many times? Like - over a number of years?

 

[Chief]

the people seem to be revolting against it

It's a con by spivs like Nigel Farage.

 

[Episode IV]

You know we've discussed the grifters great replacement theory many times? Like - over a number of years?

Elucidate, elaborate, elocute.
Like, nearly every culture all over the world has its own version of it, which you either have no idea about or just "forget to mention".

You haven't "discussed" anything. Particularly not the point in question. Are you denying that mass immigration favours the political left?

Talk about it.
Give me something to chew on.

 

[Chief]

You haven't "discussed" anything. Particularly not the point in question.

It's been discussed a lot.

Over a number of years.

Are you denying that mass immigration favours the political left?

When you find a case of "mass migration" do please demonstrate.

 

[Episode IV]

It's been discussed a lot.

Over a number of years.

Has it? I suppose what you and I might define as a discussion differ somewhat.

When you find a case of "mass migration" do please demonstrate.

... yeah ok.
I'll wait for an actual response if you don't mind.

 

[Chief]

... yeah ok.
I'll wait for an actual response if you don't mind.

So you won't provide any evidence for your assertion?

I see what you mean by differing views on what a discussion is.

 

[sr36]

The risk is when Western ideology begins to become a minority. The idea that we might be the architects of our own demise isn't an alien one, and has in my view some historical precedent.
People like to talk about minorities quite a bit, but they don't often stop to consider that those minorities actually are, or view them with any global perspective.
I think one of the baseline questions is - do you respect indigenous self determination, or not? I'm thinking that multiculturalism and social diversity are actually - or will become - an oxymoron. You can see the chaotic and hypocritical thinking in some posters on this board, just considering that question alone. Cultural diversity cannot survive in the long term, that much is obvious.


Why is that?
Something I've mentioned before - the left are importing their own voter base. Currently, Australians of a European background represent only about 60% of the total population, a significant difference from a few decades ago. It's also always worthwhile remembering that percentages can be deceptive. Australia's migration intake for 2023-2024 was approximately net 500k. Given the current population is around 225 million, that figure represents a number with significantly more impact than 500k would have in say, the USA, with a population of 300 million plus.
Also worth remembering that yearly figures are exponential - 500k per year has an even greater impact when calculating the impact upon society over a decade or two, particularly given the extremely low birthrates among "native" Australians.

Now, when we're speaking of a "European background", there will always be those who start ranting about race, white supremacy, Great replacement theories and wotnot... but none of those things are the issue.


And there's the point. Are we, any more? If so, how tightly are we still bound to the old philosophies?

Australia is a special case, and different from Europe in that, specifically speaking, we are not the indigenous people of this land. That's something I often struggle with personally. I don't think that the situation in Europe (growing resistance to migration) is particularly relevant on philosophical grounds, given that point.


It won't work in Australia. The likes of Clive Palmer no longer have the numbers. A dozen guys in black standing in front of government buildings are fast becoming irrelevant. It's like watching a fish washed up on a beach, flopping around trying to figure out why it can't breathe.

Am I right in assuming the first 3 episodes were cut?

 

[Episode IV]

So you won't provide any evidence for your assertion?

I see what you mean by differing views on what a discussion is.

I've already discussed percentages and all that.
Why don't you actually try responding to what has been said rather than filibustering?

 

[Chief]

I've already discussed percentages and all that.

I'm sure.

 

[Episode IV]

Am I right in assuming the first 3 episodes were cut?

Nope.
Got anything thing else to say?

 

[Episode IV]

I'm sure.

That's your problem.

 

[Chief]

That's your problem.

Why do you think I shouldn't be sure that you've discussed "percentages and all that"?

 

[Episode IV]

Ah, look man, I'm currently immersed in a Babymetal concert and haven't got time for your bullshit.

Like I said earlier, If you've got something to say, then say it. I'm not interested in your post count crap. I understand your game. I'm here to talk. Shit, or get off the pot.

Typical left (hah)... pretend to be all about one thing or another, but at the end of the day, an autocracy is an autocracy.

 

[Chief]

I must not be European enough.

 

[Episode IV]

I must not be European enough.

You'll probably get a couple of likes for that one.

Done now?

 

[sr36]

Nope.
Got anything thing else to say?

All I have to say is in response to your opening sentence:

"The risk is when Western ideology begins to become a minority."

By Western ideology, I assume you mean liberal democracy.

Yes it as at risk at the moment - from voices like yours and those of many European and American politicians and many Aussie politicians will go there too if the votes justify it.

 

[Episode IV]

All I have to say is in response to your opening sentence:

"The risk is when Western ideology begins to become a minority."

By Western ideology, I assume you mean liberal democracy.

Yes it as at risk at the moment - from voices like yours and those of many European and American politicians and many Aussie politicians will go there too if the votes justify it.

Alright, so you read the headline.

That's not uncommon.

 

[sr36]

Alright, so you read the headline.

That's not uncommon.

I read the rest too. It all circles back to - yes, liberal democracy is at risk due to voices like yours.

 

[Episode IV]

I read the rest too. It all circles back to - yes, liberal democracy is at risk due to voices like yours.

Back it up. Say something.

 

[sr36]

Back it up. Say something.

I assumed you'd get it.

The views that you're espousing and the movement that they come from are opposed to the principals of liberal democracy and it's a massive movement that has taken power in the states and very close to power in a lot of Europe. I believe that the "Western ideology" that you're discussing is at risk - from sentiment like yours.

 

[Episode IV]

All I have to say is in response to your opening sentence:

"The risk is when Western ideology begins to become a minority."

By Western ideology, I assume you mean liberal democracy.

Yes it as at risk at the moment - from voices like yours and those of many European and American politicians and many Aussie politicians will go there too if the votes justify it.

You know what they say about assumptions, right?

 

[Episode IV]

I assumed you'd get it.

The views that you're espousing and the movement that they come from are opposed to the principals of liberal democracy and it's a massive movement that has taken power in the states and very close to power in a lot of Europe. I believe that the "Western ideology" that you're discussing is at risk - from sentiment like yours.

I'm not a part of any "movement". The day I join one, I'll post my membership card. It's fairly unlikely to happen.
In the meantime, I'd prefer you not assume anything at all.

But in response... I suppose that the threat assessment is the point in question.
Is there a threat, or isn't there?

To get back the thread title, I don't believe that "Islam", in itself, is a threat. Bit of a furphy.
People tend to have a tendency to confuse religion with culture.
Race, religion, etc... furphys.

We need to deal with the particulars.

 

[Gethelred]

I'm not a part of any "movement". The day I join one, I'll post my membership card. It's fairly unlikely to happen.
In the meantime, I'd prefer you not assume anything at all.

But in response... I suppose that the threat assessment is the point in question.
Is there a threat, or isn't there?

To get back the thread title, I don't believe that "Islam", in itself, is a threat. Bit of a furphy.
People tend to have a tendency to confuse religion with culture.
Race, religion, etc... furphys.

We need to deal with the particulars.

Then why are you posting a series of anti-multiculturalism/migration screeds in this thread?

 

[Blue1980]

Then why are you posting a series of anti-multiculturalism/migration screeds in this thread?

He’s “just asking questions”

 

[sr36]

I'm not a part of any "movement". The day I join one, I'll post my membership card. It's fairly unlikely to happen.
In the meantime, I'd prefer you not assume anything at all.

But in response... I suppose that the threat assessment is the point in question.
Is there a threat, or isn't there?

To get back the thread title, I don't believe that "Islam", in itself, is a threat. Bit of a furphy.
People tend to have a tendency to confuse religion with culture.
Race, religion, etc... furphys.

We need to deal with the particulars.

Movements are about ideas. If you're parroting ideas of a movement, you're a voice of that movement, whether you're a card holding member or not.