Perhaps this thread should be "Why is Rioli so under-rated on BF?"
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Why is Cyril Rioli so highly rated?
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Sttew
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But top 5?
and this
Whoopsie
As I said earlier, Rioli is not the fastest runner in the game, but can do incredible things with his agility. Jetta had a head start, and Goodes bumps Rioli off his line at the start. Forgot to mention that? .... whoopsie
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It's a dodgy system, who cares?
Well hopefully he can get them right.
Touching wood, Dempsey had the worst hammies in the comp, but seems to be moving on now.
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I was refering to the bit at the end where he cracks the shits and does the usual undisciplined Hawk thing and gives away a boneheaded free kick
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Not me, not with Joel Selwood at No.2
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You can manage that shit on a flank, probably not in the midfield though.
Interesting to read how they do it - Cyril definitely does impact positively on pretty much any passage he's involved in, but I do think it's a stretch to say he's top 5. Bit of this maybe ...
... you see it with other players too, of course. I saw a beautiful example last year (?) with Judd. Runs to receive a handball, runs 10m, passes it 20m to a teammate on the lead. Cue Bruce 'Not many players could do that'
Also, seconding on the muscle fibres - interesting.
Not top 5 but really fun to watch and can be a game winner. It's not Rioli's fault that the commentators are stupid about him eg 'only Cyril could do that' type of comment. Sometime they have a point, but often it is something quite a few other players can do.
... you see it with other players too, of course. I saw a beautiful example last year (?) with Judd. Runs to receive a handball, runs 10m, passes it 20m to a teammate on the lead. Cue Bruce 'Not many players could do that'
Also, seconding on the muscle fibres - interesting.
Like i said, brent harvey is ranked 17
When is he next out of contract? That will determine how highly rated he is by his peers.
If it's at Cloke/Buddy levels of holding out to assess the bids then we'll know he's rated.
If his new contract announcement pops up in pre or mid-season with little fanfare and little or no media speculation about how much of Hawthorn's cap his new deal took up then we'll know he's not rated as a top, top player.
If it's at Cloke/Buddy levels of holding out to assess the bids then we'll know he's rated.
If his new contract announcement pops up in pre or mid-season with little fanfare and little or no media speculation about how much of Hawthorn's cap his new deal took up then we'll know he's not rated as a top, top player.
Overrated by Hawthorn fans, underrated by fans of other clubs.
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Jetta had to bounce the ball and keep eyes up field for an option. Pretty bad Rioli didnt catch him.
I think until the end of 2014?
Anyhow, there is no way he should be infront of Mitchell or Buddy and nor at number 5 at this stage. He still needs to be a little more consistent for mine to be rated in the top 5.
Around 20 would be about right imo...
We get it.....Jetta can probably run faster.
read the report, it explains why he's ranked where he is.
People seem to forget that this system was developed then the stats imputed producing a list of players in order. They didn't know it would spit out Cyril at 5. But he's rated at 5 in this rating system. Does anyone think this system is the definitive rating system though? No of course not. But looking though the list it's not bad, certainly better than most.
Not by me. I'd have him at the Blues in a heartbeat. He is a gun. I'm hoping that Jeffrey Garlett will have the same sort of impact.
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no he wouldn't, he's never had the stamina from day one.
Just on "great assists player" he's been top 5 in goal assists two years straight but never before this period.
Potentially awesome player, has it all but his biggest issue is inside his own head and it gets the better of him more often than not.
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Yes he has, but increased midfield time invariably leads to hamstring troubles.
Well of course never before that period, before that he was just a 1st, 2nd or 3rd year player.
1st in average goal assists in 2011
2nd in total goal assists 2012.
Odd thing to say, he's one of the smarter football brains in the comp.
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That is a classic Hodgepodgism. Are you referring specifically to Cyril or all midfielders? If the latter, back it up. I think you'll find some player are just more susceptible to hamstring problems, like Paul Chapman at Geelong, and his issues first surfaced when he was playing forward.
Not from day 1, but he certainly has now.
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Awesome another bash Cyril thread. He has to be the most bagged player on Bigfooty.
Whilst he may not be a top 5 player in the league, I do think that he is a top 10-20. He is the most dangerous player in the league when within 10 metres of the ball. Often he will beat out 2 opposition players and win the ball.
Before getting injured he was in our top 3 players this year, and well on his way to another AA and another top 5 B&F finish.
Whilst he may not be a top 5 player in the league, I do think that he is a top 10-20. He is the most dangerous player in the league when within 10 metres of the ball. Often he will beat out 2 opposition players and win the ball.
Before getting injured he was in our top 3 players this year, and well on his way to another AA and another top 5 B&F finish.
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