Why is white still used as the clash colour?

[Mitchell Madness]

Something like this?

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That second jumper is the reason this mess started

The saints wore it for a home game vs collingwood, caused a mammoth clash, and the afl then had to authorise all jumpers prior to games. This then got the pies up in arms about not wanting to go away from their stripes, and essendon with their sash

 

[the_interloper]

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[The Speaker]

Clubs should really only need two strips.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Clubs should really only need two strips.

The only reason this falls down at the moment is because the geniuses running West Coast thought a mind numbingly boring guernsey design that is half dark navy and half eye catching gold would be a great idea.

Without that, Hawthorn wouldn't need a white guernsey, and Adelaide could probably look at something gold based as well.

Literally everyone in Australia wins if they go back to the wings design.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

That second jumper is the reason this mess started

The saints wore it for a home game vs collingwood, caused a mammoth clash, and the afl then had to authorise all jumpers prior to games. This then got the pies up in arms about not wanting to go away from their stripes, and essendon with their sash

Actually you'll find it was Collingwood that were to blame by not having an alternate kit after changing their home jumper to a black base, if Collingwood had been wearing their traditional jumper there would have been no clash. The only options St Kilda had both clashed with Collingwood and only Collingwood, the candy stripe less so than the tri colour as there was clear difference from the back, if we had the jumpers above we'd be wearing the red vs Collingwood in away games, the home issue wouldn't come up as Collingwood now have a suitable clash jumper.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/05/29/1085641768043.html

Wow I thought the candy stripe was popular but 40% of jumper sales wow.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

The only reason this falls down at the moment is because the geniuses running West Coast thought a mind numbingly boring guernsey design that is half dark navy and half eye catching gold would be a great idea.

Without that, Hawthorn wouldn't need a white guernsey, and Adelaide could probably look at something gold based as well.

Literally everyone in Australia wins if they go back to the wings design.

Same could be said if Collingwood went back to the white base at home, we'd be seeing clash jumpers used a lot less.

 

[aCunningPlan]

Alright, here is my clash chart for Essendon. While I hate the grey jumper I realise it has to be used, I just think it needs to be lighter so it doesn't look so horrid. I may have altered other home jumpers, for me the front of the jumper must have the same predominant colour as the back, sorry WCE, Sydney and GWS...and Collingwood dont be ashamed of your tradition, embrace it once more. With the use of a red jumper suddenly you see the use of the grey jumper much much less and still solve clash issues. While there are some instances where the home or red jumper could possibly be used the most important thing to remember is to use the jumper that has the greatest contrast, not one that will just scrap in under the rules (for example West Coast and the Bulldogs). One last thing, there is no such thing as 'tradition' as far as clash decisions go so when Carlton play Essendon a clash must be used.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Alright, here is my clash chart for Essendon. While I hate the grey jumper I realise it has to be used, I just think it needs to be lighter so it doesn't look so horrid. I may have altered other home jumpers, for me the front of the jumper must have the same predominant colour as the back, sorry WCE, Sydney and GWS...and Collingwood dont be ashamed of your tradition, embrace it once more. With the use of a red jumper suddenly you see the use of the grey jumper much much less and still solve clash issues. While there are some instances where the home or red jumper could possibly be used the most important thing to remember is to use the jumper that has the greatest contrast, not one that will just scrap in under the rules. One last thing, there is no such thing as 'tradition' as far as clash decisions go so when Carlton play Essendon a clash must be used.

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Yeah, this is no good, you can't change the jumper for the home team and piss off the white shorts.

 

[brahj]

Yeah, this is no good, you can't change the jumper for the home team and piss off the white shorts.

Those red shorts would look shithouse IRL.

 

[aCunningPlan]

Yeah, this is no good, you can't change the jumper for the home team and piss off the white shorts.

I should explain, these are just my personal preferences for what I think home jumpers should be, unless people want a paddlepop lion or the west coast tri panel or a horrendous big G on a jumper.

Red shorts with the red jumper could work, but it's just my personal taste that I think the white shorts compliment the red jumper more. It's like the situation where Essendon wore grey shorts with the grey jumper so the full mit matched, only to realise that not only it looked horrible but it seemed to make it hard to watch.

Another great thing about coloured clash jumpers is the potential to reintroduce white umpires uniforms. in the Essendon chart white umpire uniforms can be used 9 times.

 

[JackFlash]

They have been wearing Clash kits since the 1940's and saying that they dont have a traditional bone in them is just stupid.

Photo Evidence Manchester United wearing blue in 1968.

Come on, you have clubs over there who sack the manager of the year before a ball is kicked, there is no loyalty or tradition there, it's all about surviving the Premier League drop and raking in the cash. No relevance to our game here what so ever, poor comparison. The last thing we need is to have any similarity to that comp. We have 18 teams in a national competition that has some teams operating longer than many of the Premier league heavyweights. Sorry to see Man U wearing Chelsea colours there too....'

 

[Freo2012]

There really is a very easy solution to ensure the home team always gets to wear their home gear. Just write into the rules that the home team always gets to wear the home jumper and if a team does not have a suitable clash jumper they must wear a flouro soft colour (pink or lime green) (whatever the umpires and runners are not wearing).

The obnoxious non "national competition" teams would soon design and implement a proper clash jumper.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

It's bad luck for us to wear predominately red jumper. Can't remember ever winning with it tbh.

 

[Duffman95]

It's bad luck for us to wear predominately red jumper. Can't remember ever winning with it tbh.

Sydney don't seem to have an issue wearing red.

The fact is with 18 teams and only a certain number of colours available, clashes are inevitable. And things like Collingwood and West Coast changing their jumpers 10 years ago from a lighter colour to a darker arrangement hasn't helped either.

I like the idea of the clash chart - AFL could distribute it so everyone knows where they stand and hopefully settle this very simple issue once and for all. I would have no issue with Carlton having the three jumpers - Navy, White (original version, not the current nonsense) and M&M Clash, and using them to navigate the other 17 teams home jumpers.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Something like this?

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It's kit sets like these that don't solve anything. Just a mish mash of the same freakin colours and they still feature the colours that cause issues with clubs the main strip clashed with anyway. It's as though clubs have to clutter as much shit in the original colour combos onto jerseys as possible.

What St Kilda have now is much better than the above. Clubs don't need 3 different kits. The main home and a visually contrasting and differentiating alternative is all that is required to fix up the mess the match day kit issue in the AFL has become.

Perhaps when the league can get a handle on the issue and some consistency as well, then they can allow away kits for sponsorship opportunities.

It's a dogs breakfast at the moment. The AFL can't regulate, and the clubs come up with awful and pointless mishmash designs which can look different from itself. It's like there are 3 teams on the field in some games, and when both clubs do it, it's like there are 4 teams on the field.

Get a decent farkin crest, put it on the jersey, and simplify the monstrosities that are some footy jumpers. We don't need mascots, I don't need to see that a team is called the 'Eagles', and if I team is going to be predominantly black from behind, then predominantly black from the front is a good idea too. Yes, I'm aware the swans are guilty of this too.

 

[Mowse]

If the goal is to make the teams as different as possible for TV, then white kits would need to be used for some match ups.

this took me 30 minutes to mock up some white versions - The AFL hasn't sorted this out in 30 years... complete joke.
the teams at the bottom already have good white strips.
COLL, CATS and NORTH would be made a bit more of 'pin-stripe' to boost the white.

ALL of the 'white' strips would have plain white backs with coloured numbers. And should only be used when absolutely needed.
With these combinations it should be easy to avoid all clashes.

Yeah I know, traditionalists will hate them all, but the point is that it isn't hard to sort out.
AFL should just say "You're all a bunch of ****'n children that can't sort this **** out yourselves – So this is what you wear, now shut up and play some footy".

 

[mcgarnacle]

Interesting that you're coming over the top of clubs by implying that the AFL know what they're doing in the first place.

Not every club needs a white strip. The AFL needs to implement an effective and efficient policy that is applied consistently. Not one rule for VFL clubs and one for the rest. That's the reason the Port vs Richmond debacle happened in the first place.

I suggest the AFL consult an pro league from overseas to do it for them, because its obvious they don't have the required skills to do it themselves.

 

[Monkey King]

Just want to say I don't give a shit about what some overseas soccer league does. It's totally irrelevant. This is an Australian game played in Australia.

 

[Mowse]

Interesting that you're coming over the top of clubs by implying that the AFL know what they're doing in the first place.

Yeah, that's pretty much the problem.

personaly I would like Richmond to wear black top and black shorts for all games. Socks up at home. Socks down away.

But if changes need to be made, then the AFL has to force it because some teams have shown that they cannot do it (or wont).

 

[Ice-Wolf]

It's kit sets like these that don't solve anything. Just a mish mash of the same freakin colours and they still feature the colours that cause issues with clubs the main strip clashed with anyway. It's as though clubs have to clutter as much shit in the original colour combos onto jerseys as possible.

How do these not solve anything? Except for Collingwood the only clubs that the White kit would be a problem with we would be wearing the dark kit for anyway. Collingwood are really the only reason we don't wear the Candy Stripe jumper now.

None of the designs carry on to the back, there are no side panels ect.

The most likely way it would work.

White Kit: Essendon, Carlton, Richmond, West Coast, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, GWS, Fremantle, Footscray.
Black Kit: Geelong, North Melbourne, Sydney, Gold Coast.
Red Kit: Collingwood

Please tell me where there wouldn't be a clear contrast?

 

[invinciBlues]

They have been wearing Clash kits since the 1940's and saying that they dont have a traditional bone in them is just stupid.

Photo Evidence Manchester United wearing blue in 1968.

My club Carlton has been around longer than almost all soccer clubs, if not all. Our league has been around longer than the english soccer league too.

I dont give a shit what they do over there. It gets pretty ****ing tiring having people say we should be more like them when we predate them by a couple of decades.

 

[BluesMan]

Alright, here is my clash chart for Essendon. While I hate the grey jumper I realise it has to be used, I just think it needs to be lighter so it doesn't look so horrid. I may have altered other home jumpers, for me the front of the jumper must have the same predominant colour as the back, sorry WCE, Sydney and GWS...and Collingwood dont be ashamed of your tradition, embrace it once more. With the use of a red jumper suddenly you see the use of the grey jumper much much less and still solve clash issues. While there are some instances where the home or red jumper could possibly be used the most important thing to remember is to use the jumper that has the greatest contrast, not one that will just scrap in under the rules (for example West Coast and the Bulldogs). One last thing, there is no such thing as 'tradition' as far as clash decisions go so when Carlton play Essendon a clash must be used.

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Great work. If the afl had someone to do this as a job and regulate it with policies in place, this minor problem that is a big issue will be put to rest.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Alright, here is my clash chart for Essendon. While I hate the grey jumper I realise it has to be used, I just think it needs to be lighter so it doesn't look so horrid. I may have altered other home jumpers, for me the front of the jumper must have the same predominant colour as the back, sorry WCE, Sydney and GWS...and Collingwood dont be ashamed of your tradition, embrace it once more. With the use of a red jumper suddenly you see the use of the grey jumper much much less and still solve clash issues. While there are some instances where the home or red jumper could possibly be used the most important thing to remember is to use the jumper that has the greatest contrast, not one that will just scrap in under the rules (for example West Coast and the Bulldogs). One last thing, there is no such thing as 'tradition' as far as clash decisions go so when Carlton play Essendon a clash must be used.

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I love your work here!

The only things i'd argue is that you don't really need both clash guernseys. Either one would do the job.

Also I'm against white shorts being worn without a white guernsey. I'm a big believer in clubs like Essendon and Richmond using coloured shorts instead of white where possible.

Also, I know people will argue that you can't make Collingwood change their home strip, but IMO Collingwood should effectively use both guernseys as home guernseys.

Forget home and away. Have White and Black. Shorts to always match the base guernsey colour. Collingwood have this amazing setup where their clash guernsey is a very special traditional guernsey for the club. Everyone recognises Collingwood as black and white stripes, so you're not going to have people wondering who is playing.

That way, every Collingwood match up would look amazing. Home or away, AND they'd get to wear their traditional guernsey every single week, because both guernseys are traditional. No other club can say that.

 

[Tas]

The problems with uniform clashes are so easy to fix.

1. Colour on front of jumper needs to match colour on the back.

2. Every team needs a home jumper which is darker and an away jumper which is light.

3. The shorts should match the jumper and not an ancient rule regarding "white shorts for away regardless of what the home team is wearing".


It's just madness. Clubs have very effective training jumpers that they use in off season practice matches. When you think purely about the function (ie to differentiate the teams) and ignore the other crap (tradition, historical rules, sponsorship demands and Eddie) you get a very simple answer to a very simple problem.

I think it is rubbish really, the only reason we have 'clash' uniforms at all is because broadcasters want them, we want the mega bucks from broadcasters we have to change. If we want to just wear one jumper we have worn since the dawn of time we can go back to kicking footies on a paddock in a broke league.

There is plenty of scope to keep the traditional jumper, but for away teams they should be forced to adopt radical new clash jumpers, if you don't like, go and play in a bush league.

 

[Kram]

Most of the problems can be solved by simply inverting the jumpers' colours. Hate teams wearing white when it's not in their club's colours.