Why Shannon?

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I can't believe we still have people on this forum defending this guy. Every time he grabs the ball I cringe because I know most of the time he's going to try and get around a tackler and then causes a turn-over! He has no right foot and can't kick straight. I think bring back Djerk. The guy has shown he can play and he couldn't do any worse than this guy.

Leave him alone?? Sheesh.. this is the big league folks! No room for pretenders and try hards. You've either got it or you don't. Took the club forever to finally get rid of Kingsley and I'm hoping they don't but looks like they're taking their time in getting rid of this guy too!:thumbsdown:

It's simple. He had one bad game after proving himself for the past few weeks. He deserves to be given a bit of leeway due to recent past performances especially when you take into account that there were a number of other players who under performed. How come they haven't come under scrutiny too?

I would agree with you if the guy had been hacking his way for the past few weeks but he hasn't. Knowing the GFC and keeping in mind their treatment with West I am sure he'll be dropped this week anyway.
 

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You want a thread for every time he plays a good game? Start one if you like!

Why not, he seems to get one whenever he plays poorly/makes one mistake/shanks one kick etc.etc.
It doesn't take much for the knockers to come out of the woodwork, though I must say it's heartning to see several posters here going in to bat for hm.

MY QUESTION WAS WHY SHANNON ahead of other players who are more consistent in thier form??? That's it!!!

You mean like the two you mentioned in your OP, one who up to this point has done absolutely nothing to warrant senior selection, and the other who got dropped because of poor form and now can't get a kick in the VFL, are those the guys who are "more consistent in thier form" that you're talking about?
 
The problem with Shannon's problems is they are always exactly the same problems he has always had and when they happen it is always a forehead slapping moment of frustration.
 
Why not, he seems to get one whenever he plays poorly/makes one mistake/shanks one kick etc.etc.
It doesn't take much for the knockers to come out of the woodwork, though I must say it's heartning to see several posters here going in to bat for hm.

Is there a thread every time Varcoe plays a good game, or Kelly or Bartel or Ottens? The board would be useless if there was.

And before you say they don't have threads for every time they play a bad game, that would be because (a) they don't play many and so can be forgiven when they do; and (b) when they do, it's not just a case of the same old s&*t, different day.

I just don't understand what there is to defend here. Did he not play badly? Why should tongues be bitten?
 
The problem with some people watching shannons problems is that they don't register the good work he does. They dwell on his mistakes.

He did not play as well on Sunday but still got his hand on the pill 20 times and had 6 tackles (prostats). People seem to overlook his work when it comes off e.g. the quick hands to the players going past at full tilt. You have to get to it first to be able to execute that simple skill.

Six tackles isn't a bad outing defensively. People forget also that players have to be able to defend as well as attack. He and Trav do it much better than most.

I hope the young man has a coodabeens "breakout year". All he needs to do is slot half his snapshots! If he can we will have a much stronger forward line - so I am barracking for him.
 
Surely 2 good games and then one shocker allows him at least 1 more week.

I think most would agree with you. As always there are extreme opinions on either end of the spectrum, but as usual, it's best to ignore those.

However that doesn't mean there's not place for a thread criticising his game. There was a 3 page thread after he played a good game and now there's a thread where he is copping it after a bad game. That's a football messageboard for you.
 
Is there a thread every time Varcoe plays a good game, or Kelly or Bartel or Ottens? The board would be useless if there was.

And before you say they don't have threads for every time they play a bad game, that would be because (a) they don't play many and so can be forgiven when they do; and (b) when they do, it's not just a case of the same old s&*t, different day.

Well up until this year the first bloke you've named there has played more then his fair share of poor games, yet I don't seem to recall many threads started for the sole purpose of sticking the boots into him.

I just don't understand what there is to defend here. Did he not play badly? Why should tongues be bitten?

I think that's the problem, you don't understand, sure he played poorly, and yes he's open to criticism the same as everybody else, but the same old constant attacks trotted out ad nauseam every time he puts a foot wrong is far more then mere criticism.

Let's be honest, with the exception of maybe Blake the only player who constantly gets negative threads started about him is Byrnes, and much of the stuff said about him is [a] wrong, and completely over the top garbage.

He plays one poor game after three good ones and the same old crap starts flying again, did you stop to think that maybe that's the sort of stuff he's being defended against, not the fair and balanced criticism, and on that point, if it's acceptable to attack him surely it's just as acceptable for others to defend him without being told they "can't handle criticism" as you said to another poster, as I stated, fair and reasonable criticism is not a problem, much of the crap that gets thrown around concerning Byrnes though is not fair and reasonable.
 
Byrnes tries hard and put in an honest effort. If he could kick straight he be a very handy little player for us. But he has a career tally of 31.52 which I suspect is the worst in the AFL.

It's getting better but he still has a ways to go yet before
I'm completely comfortable with him in the team.
 
Interesting to see how a three-page thread pops up within hours of a poor game... Where was the thread of praise following his good games? Oh wait I forgot that you keyboard heroes wait for him to execute a poor move just so you can pounce all over him on here.

By the way randyzany, if I were you I'd think twice before calling myself a "supporter". You're not doing much supporting now, are you? :rolleyes:

Totally agree with you eliiiiza:thumbsu:
 

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I think that's the problem, you don't understand, sure he played poorly, and yes he's open to criticism the same as everybody else, but the same old constant attacks trotted out ad nauseam every time he puts a foot wrong is far more then mere criticism.

Let's be honest, with the exception of maybe Blake the only player who constantly gets negative threads started about him is Byrnes, and much of the stuff said about him is [a] wrong, and completely over the top garbage.

He plays one poor game after three good ones and the same old crap starts flying again, did you stop to think that maybe that's the sort of stuff he's being defended against, not the fair and balanced criticism, and on that point, if it's acceptable to attack him surely it's just as acceptable for others to defend him without being told they "can't handle criticism" as you said to another poster, as I stated, fair and reasonable criticism is not a problem, much of the crap that gets thrown around concerning Byrnes though is not fair and reasonable.


You've got no idea what I do and don't understand.

TBH, I find it no less annoying to find you and eliiiiiiiiiiiza in every Byrnes thread defending him with nothing of more substance than "oh, not another Byrnes thread" than I do with people throwing spurious insults at him.

Both first posts in this thread from you and her were less about addressing the type of criticism, but rather attacking the fact that a thread had been started.

Either defend the substance of criticism, ignore it when you read it and don't agree, or just don't bother opening the thread. Don't come here to a public messageboard and whinge when there's a thread complaining about a player playing a bad game. It's like repeatedly buying the Herald Sun when you don't like reading Mike Sheahan or watching the Footy Show when you don't like Sam Newman.
 
You've got no idea what I do and don't understand.

Fair enough comment, unfortunately everything you say beyond this point only reaffirms my opinion though.

TBH, I find it no less annoying to find you and eliiiiiiiiiiiza in every Byrnes thread defending him with nothing of more substance than "oh, not another Byrnes thread" than I do with people throwing spurious insults at him.

Both first posts in this thread from you and her were less about addressing the type of criticism, but rather attacking the fact that a thread had been started.

Either defend the substance of criticism, ignore it when you read it and don't agree, or just don't bother opening the thread. Don't come here to a public messageboard and whinge when there's a thread complaining about a player playing a bad game. It's like repeatedly buying the Herald Sun when you don't like reading Mike Sheahan or watching the Footy Show when you don't like Sam Newman.

Why on earth would I bother addressing the substance of criticism "again" like it hasn't been done to death time and time again, what's the point of saying, oh yeah he played poorly, has no right side, lousy shot for goal yadda yadda yadda, as if it's some startling new revelation.

To be quite honest if this thread was just discussing his game in a fair and balanced manner, no matter how critical, I wouldn't have bothered getting involved, but when the usual tripe is being said about him I don't think it's unreasonable to put in my ten cents worth, if you believe that's whinging, or it annoys you as much as the garbage aimed at him, well I'm afraid there's nothing I can do about that because as long as the BS continues I'll most likely keep responding, or then again I may just cut and paste post #26 each time to save myself the trouble, that sums it up pretty well.
 
Why on earth would I bother addressing the substance of criticism "again" like it hasn't been done to death time and time again, what's the point of saying, oh yeah he played poorly, has no right side, lousy shot for goal yadda yadda yadda, as if it's some startling new revelation.

To be quite honest if this thread was just discussing his game in a fair and balanced manner, no matter how critical, I wouldn't have bothered getting involved, but when the usual tripe is being said about him I don't think it's unreasonable to put in my ten cents worth, if you believe that's whinging, or it annoys you as much as the garbage aimed at him, well I'm afraid there's nothing I can do about that because as long as the BS continues I'll most likely keep responding, or then again I may just cut and paste post #26 each time to save myself the trouble, that sums it up pretty well.

I don't actually see that you have contributed your ten cents worth on the substance of the topic. All you have done is complain that the thread exists.

What do you hope to achieve? Do you think people will stop criticising?

Just complaining about the thread's existance doesn't seem to 'balance the ledger', if in fact that is what you are attempting to do. It seems to me you either argue the points raised or you leave it alone. What you and eliiiiiiiiza are doing at the moment does the cause no good.
 
I don't actually see that you have contributed your ten cents worth on the substance of the topic. All you have done is complain that the thread exists.

I thought I made it clear I'm not really interested in discussing the particular aspects of his game/career/ability/deficiencies for the 100th time.

What do you hope to achieve? Do you think people will stop criticising?

Nope, and I don't want em to, he's as open to criticism as the next player.


Just complaining about the thread's existance doesn't seem to 'balance the ledger', if in fact that is what you are attempting to do. It seems to me you either argue the points raised or you leave it alone. What you and eliiiiiiiiza are doing at the moment does the cause no good.

Doesn't do it any harm either, whatever the cause may be.
Guess we just see things differently, the crap said about him doesn't [ seem to ] bother you whereas I don't think it should just go unchallenged.
 
I thought I made it clear I'm not really interested in discussing the particular aspects of his game/career/ability/deficiencies for the 100th time.



Nope, and I don't want em to, he's as open to criticism as the next player.




Doesn't do it any harm either, whatever the cause may be.
Guess we just see things differently, the crap said about him doesn't [ seem to ] bother you whereas I don't think it should just go unchallenged.

This is all contradictory to me.

You don't want it to go unchallenged yet you don't want address the arguments (i.e. you're not challenging anything). If you feel it's been done to death, just let it go.

And you say he's as open to criticism as anyone, yet every time there's a Shannon-bagging thread you bemoan its existence.

Quite puzzling.
 
This is all contradictory to me.

You don't want it to go unchallenged yet you don't want address the arguments (i.e. you're not challenging anything). If you feel it's been done to death, just let it go.

And you say he's as open to criticism as anyone, yet every time there's a Shannon-bagging thread you bemoan its existence.

Quite puzzling.

I'll say it again as clearly as I can, the fair criticism doesn't bother me and I can't be bothered arguing the pros and cons of his worth to the team for the 100th time, what I'm commenting on is the crap posted about and I'm certainly not going to get into a "serious" discussion about that with the posters in question.

Perhaps you're right though, maybe I should just grit my teeth and let it go, it's never going to change, and as soon as he's gone there'll be someone else to bash anyway, human nature I guess.
 
This kind of attitude from a Geelong 'supporter' really disappoints me.

We win, albeit in somewhat ugly fashion, by seven goals, so what do we do? Come up with another 'let's bag Byrnesy' thread. How original.

Yes, we all know he isn't the greatest kick in the side. But sheezus christ, who are we comparing him to here? There has to be better kicks in the team and lesser ones. Shannon would prob be the first to admit he's in the poorer half, but I think he's got other assets. Some nuffies on this board wouldn't agree.

How many blokes in our side can a teammate simply kick the ball out in front of and know with confidence their teammate will get their first? There's probly two, maybe three, blokes - Wojo, Byrnesy and Varcoe.

Speed, esp in this age of footy, is crucial.

It wasn't so long back the Cats seemed reluctant to play Varcoe and Byrnesy in the same team. Now they're doing it, and to good effect.

His work ethic - esp to get himself to where he is from a rookie list - has been huge.

Yes, that's only one thing and you have to earn your spot, but he works his butt off when he's out there both ways.

It's easy to sit in the grandstand eating a pie, and then come home and slam a bloke from your keyboard.

Honestly, people ... I urge you to have a closer look at the whole game, appreciate watching our team play and stop writing such negative sh*te before typing unGeelong-like dribble.

Oh pulease. Spare me the 'supporter' garbage. I'm a passionate member and have been for years. This is an internet forum, I am entitled to be critical if I please (just as you are to defend Shan).

If you are not going to be able to handle criticism of players (or in this example a player that has driven a lot of people here nuts for a long time) or the team at times then this is not a great place for you.

I can appreciate what Byrnes brings but I don't feel it is enough and I don't like that he continues to make the same mistakes and have the same brain fades.

Is just not good enough I feel for a player who has been in the system for years and as a fairly mature team I would prefer a younger player with scope for improvement was played over him.
 
Surely 2 good games and then one shocker allows him at least 1 more week.

I'm just wondering what was his game time? If it wasn't that high, then in consideration of his 20 possessions and 6 tackles, he may have had a reasonable game. Can't call those stats the equal of a shocker, doesn't add up.:confused:
 
Oh pulease. Spare me the 'supporter' garbage. I'm a passionate member and have been for years. This is an internet forum, I am entitled to be critical if I please (just as you are to defend Shan).

If you are not going to be able to handle criticism of players (or in this example a player that has driven a lot of people here nuts for a long time) or the team at times then this is not a great place for you.

I can appreciate what Byrnes brings but I don't feel it is enough and I don't like that he continues to make the same mistakes and have the same brain fades.

Is just not good enough I feel for a player who has been in the system for years and as a fairly mature team I would prefer a younger player with scope for improvement was played over him.

Well said Sim Dog.

How Shannon Byrnes = Geelong Football Club is beyond me. :confused: :rolleyes: It says a lot more about the individuals who espouse this nonsensical garbage than those they have the temerity to accuse of disloyalty.

Perhaps it is because I’m used to following other sport codes where mediocrity is quickly kicked out the door. For example teams like Man U, Chelsea, Barcelona don’t suffer fools and persist with players who don’t display an adequate level of output for a sustained period of time. Footballers playing for the giants of world soccer know that they either perform regularly to an acceptable standard or they’re given their marching others and left to find a new home in a less successful club. No ifs and no buts; fans of these football club behemoths expect no less.

There are certainly some pleasing aspects of Shan’s game like his work ethic and effort are second to none. Good on him for trying his heart out and not giving up. Unfortunately that is nowhere near good enough to hold down a place in a team that is seriously in contention for the Premiership Cup.

Hard work and perseverance can only take you so far and I'm afraid and from all evidence it seems Shan Shan's football ability has improved as far as it possibly can. At this stage of his career his fumbling mistakes, lack of awareness and football smarts should have been ironed out by now or at least minimized I know his human and 1 or 2 errors are forgivable. But disappointingly they still occur on a frequent basis, (definitely more than any other player of his age) something that should only be tolerated from 1st or 2nd year players. :thumbsdown:

Which leads me and a lot of other supporters to conclude that he just isn't cut out for the big league. His talents are probably best suited elsewhere say the VFL or some other state comp. :thumbsu: Nothing personal against the bloke would still love to see him running around in the AFL, just not donning our club colours! :D
 
Well said Sim Dog.

How Shannon Byrnes = Geelong Football Club is beyond me. :confused: :rolleyes: It says a lot more about the individuals who espouse this nonsensical garbage than those they have the temerity to accuse of disloyalty.

Perhaps it is because I’m used to following other sport codes where mediocrity is quickly kicked out the door. For example teams like Man U, Chelsea, Barcelona don’t suffer fools and persist with players who don’t display an adequate level of output for a sustained period of time. Footballers playing for the giants of world soccer know that they either perform regularly to an acceptable standard or they’re given their marching others and left to find a new home in a less successful club. No ifs and no buts; fans of these football club behemoths expect no less.

There are certainly some pleasing aspects of Shan’s game like his work ethic and effort are second to none. Good on him for trying his heart out and not giving up. Unfortunately that is nowhere near good enough to hold down a place in a team that is seriously in contention for the Premiership Cup.

Hard work and perseverance can only take you so far and I'm afraid and from all evidence it seems Shan Shan's football ability has improved as far as it possibly can. At this stage of his career his fumbling mistakes, lack of awareness and football smarts should have been ironed out by now or at least minimized I know his human and 1 or 2 errors are forgivable. But disappointingly they still occur on a frequent basis, (definitely more than any other player of his age) something that should only be tolerated from 1st or 2nd year players. :thumbsdown:

Which leads me and a lot of other supporters to conclude that he just isn't cut out for the big league. His talents are probably best suited elsewhere say the VFL or some other state comp. :thumbsu: Nothing personal against the bloke would still love to see him running around in the AFL, just not donning our club colours! :D

Sorry mate... are saying Shannon is not good enough to be in a side to win a flag... cus i rekon i have a DVD from 2007 you might like to watch.
 
Shannon Byrnes Goals/Behinds career update

31 goals / 52 points

Accuracy 37.35%

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/S/Shannon_Byrnes.html

Shannon has kicked 1 goal, 10 points v Demons in his career history

But he's 4.4 for the year. Are we being too harsh?

I must admit, I can't stand that he cannot move and kick onto his right hand side. Every club knows they have to herd him onto his right boot. Surely he could have learnt that by now... He's 25yo
 

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