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Current Wiembilla Shootings * Coronial Inquiry
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I'm not justifying anything that the three did, I'm speculating on what force command did or didn't do, we'll only get their side of events now.
All I've asked since the start of this thread is why it was necessary to send 4 cops for a simple welfare check. If they sent 4 because of a potential problem with whoever was there, why were they all young constables, if you're sending 4, why not at least one with some rank and more experience.
Maybe a more experienced presence may have paused at that locked gate and called for instructions. Maybe one of the young coppers did call in and was told to just jump the fence and go have a look. This is all stuff I'm interested in this particular case.
As soon as I read they sent 4 coppers for a welfare check something seemed off to me
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I'm not sure that logic works? What difference would it have made if they had managed to take them alive? Surely if a cover up was needed the two surviving constables would need to be silenced instead
Were the 2 surviving connies still there on site when the gun battle took place? I'd doubt it very much. Their involvement will be about the initial contact and what their orders / instructions were when going to conduct the welfare check
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Yes but isn't that the part (initial contact/ instructions/ welfare check/ warrant) that seems the most confusing? Surely this is where the two surviving cops would have the most relevant story to tell.
Matera92
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Coppers regulary double up on jobs if they aren't currently tasked to anything else.
Safety in numbers.
People thinking two cars heading to a welfare job as being out of the ordinary are just showing their complete lack of knowledge surrounding Police operations.
Safety in numbers.
People thinking two cars heading to a welfare job as being out of the ordinary are just showing their complete lack of knowledge surrounding Police operations.
craffles
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Jesus Christ, the PC internet police are at it again. Can you all please stop with the instant dismissal of any discussion around police failures.
No one is saying anybody deserved to die. It’s a tragedy.
No one is saying there’s a conspiracy of the government or police to get the Trains. That’s very hard to believe, although not impossible it would be pretty far fetched.
What people are legitimately trying to discuss without being told they are lunatics is that the police failed and it cost lives. Do any of you actually read or just sit on your moral high horses 24/7
No one is saying anybody deserved to die. It’s a tragedy.
No one is saying there’s a conspiracy of the government or police to get the Trains. That’s very hard to believe, although not impossible it would be pretty far fetched.
What people are legitimately trying to discuss without being told they are lunatics is that the police failed and it cost lives. Do any of you actually read or just sit on your moral high horses 24/7
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It's not a potential domestic, it's a simple welfare check.
My brother was a Vic cop for 20 years, he also said if there's not a lot happening it's not unusual for more than one car to be sent, in this case from two separate towns, he did however think it was overkill for a welfare.
I assume you mean after they murdered two police and their neighbour
Dogs_R_Us
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Two from Tara, two from Chinchilla?
Matera92
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Looking at how junior they all were, not overkill at all.
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Sure but we were querying in the thread whether there may have been any obvious question of safety on a 'welfare check' before they attended the property, this was before we realised there was also warrant for a border breach/unsecured guns.
Matera92
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Without access to the job transcript who knows what warnings were present. I sincerely doubt if there had serious firearms concerns they would have approached the job in that manner regardless of experience/rank.
There's very little talk between state agencies (absolutely needs to change after this tragedy) so whatever information was on NSW databases wouldn't have been accessible to QLD police.
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How can they rule out related or not?
It’s suspicious… do you normally rule out something before gathering all evidence?
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Did you miss the part where the police finally admitted there was a weapons-related warrant involved?
Matera92
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No, the warrant was issued for the breach of states border. The firearms were to be asked about as part of that arrest on a seperate charge.
However the purpose of this visit was to talk to relatives to try and ascertain the whereabouts of Nathanial for the welfare check AS well as if he was living there, deal with the outstanding warrant. They may have suspected he was there and if so could also execute the arrest warrant if located but they didn't know 100% hence the four or five previous visits.
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So you understand this was no simple 'welfare check'.
The mental gymnastics some of you guys are displaying is equal parts amusing and alarming.
Why don’t you just come out and say what you think went on
Matera92
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As far as Police jobs go, this was on face value very simple.
The cookers instead committed an atrocity over something that could well have been dealt with by way of fines.
You aren't being half as clever, or discrete as you think you are.
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Good point, his guns would have been registered in NSW. NSW Police also had a lot of covid casualties, at one point over 60 police from Campsie and Campbelltown had been ordered in to two weeks isolation. It was a situation of staffing problems that continued.
The one person that hasn’t had a lot said about, is the other neighbour that went over with Alan Dare.
Would be interesting to hear what they witnessed and the circumstances in which Alan was shot in the back. Did they even see the Trains and communicate with them, or were they just covertly hunted?
Would be interesting to hear what they witnessed and the circumstances in which Alan was shot in the back. Did they even see the Trains and communicate with them, or were they just covertly hunted?
There was a couple of quotes from the other neighbour early in the piece, that I can't find now. When he came back, he told Mrs Dare that Alan was "in a bad way", but didn't give any other information. Then when they were told to evacuate, he came back and got her out.
There was no information that I read about how it happened only that they were fired on when they reached the property and Dare was shot in the back. Presumably the other neighbour left on foot as the car was left at the scene.
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