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I don't disagree with your sentiment, but that other troll M2F keeps alluding to conspiracy theories, which ruins it for everyone. I think there were obviously process issues on the police side - but would be good to know what information they had when the four young officers were despatched (their own internal info and other sources, in relation to welfare/weapon issues). Without comprehensive details being made available, we're all whistling in the dark.
7news.com.au
Could be anywhere.
"Nathaniel Train’s wife had “genuine concern for his well-being” when she reported him missing before he, his brother and sister-in-law shot two Queensland police officers and a civilian dead in Wieambilla, Police say.
The Train trio’s criminal history has also been revealed as police defend the “run-of-the-mill” response, which led to constables Matthew Arnold and Rachel McCrow being killed in an ambush on December 12. Alan Dare was also shot dead.
It has been revealed Nathaniel Train’s wife had not seen him since December 2021 and last spoke to him on the phone in May this year, before reporting him missing on December 4, 2022.
“She had a genuine concern for his welfare and as a consequence of that she reported him missing to the NSW police, who then relayed a request to Queensland Police to attend an address in Wieambilla to see if he was there,” said Queensland Deputy Commissioner Tracy Linford on Thursday.
“In the scheme of things, this was a run-of-the-mill policing job.
“Given we had very little knowledge of any concerning behaviour about Nathaniel Train, there wasn’t anything particular to flag with our members attending that day.”
Before the May phone call, Train and his wife had “regular contact”, Linford said.
Nathaniel Train’s criminal history was reviewed by officers before the visit by Arnold and McCrow - and their surviving colleagues Keely Brough and Randall Kirk.
That history, Lindford said, comprised a 2014 driving offence and an incident at the Queensland-NSW border at Goondiwindi in December 2021 when he illegally drove through a COVID-19 blockade while carrying four licensed guns, before getting bogged.
Train abandoned his car and fled with two of the guns, leaving two behind.
That latter incident sparked an arrest warrant, which the officers knew about when they went to Gareth Train’s property.
The existence of the warrant was also the reason for sending four police officers from two stations to the property, said Linford.
Gareth Train’s criminal history involved a 1998 offence of having a gun with an expired licence, while his wife Stacey Train had no known criminal history.
“We knew very little about the Trains and there was nothing that would have caused a particular flag for our members that attended that day,” said Linford.
A total of six guns - two registered to Nathaniel, three unregistered and one under investigation - were found at the property after the incident, as well as three compound bow-and-arrows and three knives.
Linford also said counter-terrorism officials had joined the investigation, however the incident was not being treated as a terrorism event.
“Certainly (we’re) not classing it as a domestic terrorism event at this point, there’s nothing to really indicate that,” she said.
“What we can see is sentiment displayed by the three individuals, the three Train family members, that appears anti-government, anti-police, conspiracy theorist-type things.
“But we can’t see them connected to any particular group that they might have been working with or inspire them to do anything.
“We haven’t located anything like that at this point in time.”
No other people involved with the Train trio have been linked to the shooting, said Linford.
However, she suggested people who engaged with the Trains online could be interviewed by police.
“In all of the social media postings, we’ll be looking at who were the people posting material, who were the people who own those sites, where are they located and then we’ll go and speak to him,” Linford said.
There is no evidence the Trains had been planning a larger attack on police or the public.
Linford said police had also previously attended the property on “multiple” occasions, including in August this year, in a bid to find Nathaniel Train to interview over the border breach.
She would not provide the specific number of visits.
Nathaniel Train was unable to be found at the property on any of those occasions."
Criminal history of Wieambilla shooters revealed as terrorism officers join investigation
Police have also shed more light on the missing person report that sparked the deadly ambush.
There could well be some inaccuracies in the above report, but I think that this is the first time it was acknowledged that they had attended the property on multiple previous occasions searching for Nathaniel Train in order to serve a warrant on him in regards to the firearms dumped at the border.
The most recent visit was prompted by his wife reporting him missing, but was also to serve the warrant and presumably to question him about the other two licensed guns and the other weapons.
I wonder whether on the previous visits the Trains had merely hidden and not answered when the Police called?
Why would they have any concern if the previous visits had occurred without issue?
So no reasons really.
They'd already been several times. Four officers is a lot of resources, especially for a regional town. The police were doing the right thing IMO. You can't prepare for every single scenario, eliminate risk entirely from everything we do - it's not practicable.
Facts, that previous checks occurred without issue, not sure why you’d dismiss that.
