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How do they get from that to shooting cops?The Trains were identified as subscribing to a fundy religious belief system known as premillennialism. Interestingly, the Catholic Church's position is that premillennialism can't be taught safely.
Premillennialists focus a lot on Christ's return, where all the elect will be raised to a glorious state.
And passionate. The "if god wants me to die, I'll die" business they were sprouting and the "evil scientists" trying to kill everyone with their poison, was a big surprise to me. Those two things seem to be contradictory. Anyway, apparently there is no IQ test to get into a church.
How do they get from that to shooting cops?
TypicalDon from Arizona ultimately did not match the Trains in their willingness to die in a shootout with the cops
That isn't Christians, as I understand them.More bodycam footage here which shows the police entering the property. Kirk, who survived after being shot in the hip, saw one of them execute Rachel McCrow then steal her vest and gun.
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That isn't Christians, as I understand them.
So what they have determined from the body cams and forensics
-Nathaniel killed Matthew Arnold
-Nathaniel and Gareth both shot Rachel McCrow before Gareth executed her at close range
-Stacey wasn't there for that part
-Not sure which of the brothers killed Alan Dare
-Stacey did shoot at the cops in the siege and wasn't just sitting idly by
-Nathaniel was the last one to be killed
Answers some of the earlier theories and the neighbours theory that it was all Nathaniel doing the killing
That clears some confusion up a bit, I heard on a video earlier than Stacey was involved in the initial shootings but I didn't think that was right. All other reports have her as in the house until she burst out the back door firing.
From the police recording from the chopper shown on ACA last night it doesn’t sound like the woman was armed but hiding at the back door, but was shot dead in cold blood, like the police were earlier, so they could get to the other two assailants.
I guess this is just general police practice and nothing will come of it?
I’m not over the entire situation, but do we have evidence that Nathanial was alive when the police first arrived?
I bloody well hope it felt good to get rid of them too (however fleetingly).I thought about it at the time and still think it now.
God that must have been satisfying for the Special Ops cops to fill these shit stains with lead after they'd just murdered two innocent officers.
Probably why I'm not a cop haha
I think Gareth's actions confirm he's a sociopath. There may be other psychopathology as well, but we can't know for sure. He's clearly the leader. Folie a duex is a real thing. It usually only happens in folks who are socially isolated and under significant stress, this describes the Trains to a tee.I bloody well hope it felt good to get rid of them too (however fleetingly).
I feel a bit uneasy about the forensic psychologists view that they were suffering from a psychiatric condition.
“Gareth, who had a delusional disorder was the primary. That is the person who suffered a genuine primary psychotic illness, while Stacey and Nathaniel were secondaries,” O’Gorman said Dr Aboud will say. Previous reporting had painted a picture of Gareth as a domineering force over both Nathaniel and Stacey. Dr Aboud’s opinion is that Gareth suffered from a genuine psychiatric condition.
I’m not a psychologist (clearly lol) but there is pretty consistent evidence that Gareth was antisocial and abusive (eg. "He [Gareth] was dragging her [Stacey] by the hair up the stairs into her house. It's a high house and he was just dragging.”)
If I’m being generous I’d be more inclined to believe that maybe Stacey went along with Gareth’s delusions almost as a fawn response/defence mechanism - it seems like he wouldn’t have taken being challenged particularly well - and ultimately got sucked into really believing it (trying really hard not to victim blame here since she clearly experienced domestic abuse, hard not to cast judgement though given she went on to support her POS husband in executing two young officers and so on). Sounds like she went pretty hard on the extreme fundy beliefs and so on earlier though (how good are Christian upbringings) so I wouldn’t be surprised if she was the kind of person to jump on the cooker shit bandwagon regardless.
Again, being generous, I could probably be convinced by the supposition that Nathaniel suffered brain damage from his heart attack. It seems like he was functioning as a pretty useful member of society before that, so the idea that his actions afterwards were a result of being more easily led by his domineering brother at that stage tracks. I’d want to know the extent of that brain damage and how severely it can really affect one’s personality before absolving him of any real responsibility though. At this stage I still believe he’s a POS who intended to kill four young officers that day and seemed to enjoy it.
I have very, very little inclination to believe Gareth was suffering a psychiatric disorder, unless narcissism and sociopathy counts.
I think he’s a real sick f***.
I think he liked replacing his brother as Stacey’s husband and probably did it intentionally to inflict as much pain as he could.
I think he liked hurting people and animals from the start and I think he would have jumped on any bandwagon that justified it.
The only discomfort I have about his death is that he probably wouldn’t have been in more pain or fear than officer McCrow, and I just wish he’d suffered longer. That’s all.
Is there any further info or thoughts as to why there was no shots fired at the extraction team when recovering Rachel and Matthew?