Will North Melbourne now get David Swallow?

[Zebrah]

IMO the Suns player they should chase is Tom Lynch when he comes off contract at the end of this year. The kangas list management since 08 has been solid, but for mine they haven't nailed the KPF spot yet. Lynch won't come cheap, but I think he's a far easier target than Swallow.

Unless he nominates returning, I doubt we would target anyone from another club. North is very much about organic growth and seem acutely aware of the impact of treating players too much like commodities. The message of being a North person and embracing the culture is diluted if you package guys up and ship them off in a trade.

Our future KPF spot (post Petrie) is banked on Black, Tarrant and Hansen - but it looks like Hansen will go back to the back line this year and Tarrant back to the forward line. Black looks like he has some real talent and it is a make or break year for Tarrant.

 

[Scodog10]

Lynch just recently signed a contract extension. Secured for another 2 years on top of this year.

Congrats! He was the one that if it were possible I wanted the Pies to wrangle out of your clutches lol.

Our future KPF spot (post Petrie) is banked on Black, Tarrant and Hansen - but it looks like Hansen will go back to the back line this year and Tarrant back to the forward line. Black looks like he has some real talent and it is a make or break year for Tarrant.

That's the way I thought the progression planning was looking for your club, but I'd have chucked Daw in to that equation. He may not have the full compliment of footy smarts, but he has more than enough to work with as a forward/ part time ruckman IMO.

I personally have my doubts about Hansen becoming the player he has the talent to be, but I guess that's a discussion for another time and I don't want to be the type of poster that gives what they think is an informed opinion on a bloke they see less of than a supporter of the players club.

 

[coryne]

I think the Swallow boys playing together is a pipe-dream which will almost certainly not occur. But is it was to occur then what would be more likely?


1) A former club captain (North have been talking up Ziebell as a future captain this year, so would it surprise anyone if he was awarded the captaincy in the next 2-3 years) takes a pay cut and used the 10 yr FA rule to join his brother in the GC in 2016 (when Swallow will be a 29 yr old and the GCS pushing for a premiership). Swallow would almost certainly also need to take a pay cut to fit in the cap.


2) A former #1 pick, who has already signed a contract extension in the past, decides to leave his club at the end of 2013 (the date being outlined in the thread) and demands for a trade to the club his brother plays for. North would then have to make an almost impossible trade (they will be pushing for a top 8 finish in 2013 so their 1st rd pick would be in the 10-15 mark, well away from the top 5 pick (plus player) stated in this thread which would be required for a deal to get done) and fit Jnr into the salary cap.



IF they were to play together it would be at the GCS, if anywhere, IMO.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Re: North to name Skipper today

BF player logic 101.

A largely unrealised number 1 draft pick is worth 3 x top 10 draft picks.

A realised 24 year old club captain is worth pick 15 and a fringe player.

................and these people have the gall to say that some of us exhibit absurd logic?

Another example is simpletons suggesting a 21 year old number 1 draft pick would slide past 10+ clubs in a PSD

The most likely scenario that they would be able to play with each other is in WA when they have both retired from the AFL

 

[brendan84]

As I have stated, there is a myriad of permutations.

1) Dave doesn't want to leave

2) Dave turns around and asks for a trade to North at the end of 2013, if GC refuses he signs huge 1 year contracts under sufferance, and revisits the notion every year up until he becomes a free agent.

Who really knows until Dave steps forward.

I have to agree with DOP, some of the bitchy petty minded comments denouncing the idea are quite ridiculous.

That seems to me like David would be going to extreme lengths just to be able to play with his brother.

I know you are saying that's only one possibility but, as an option, it seems a little unrealistic.

If they were really that keen to play in the same team and were willing to go to those sort of lengths to make it happen, wouldnt't Andrew consider moving to the Gold Coast the easier course of action?

It seems to me if they wanted to play together that badly then Andrew is just as likely to go the other way as opposed to David heading to north.

But, imo, neither David or Andrew are going anywhere and will both end up one club players.

 

[Old Skool]

That seems to me like David would be going to extreme lengths just to be able to play with his brother.

I know you are saying that's only one possibility but, as an option, it seems a little unrealistic.

If they were really that keen to play in the same team and were willing to go to those sort of lengths to make it happen, wouldnt't Andrew consider moving to the Gold Coast the easier course of action?

It seems to me if they wanted to play together that badly then Andrew is just as likely to go the other way as opposed to David heading to north.

But, imo, neither David or Andrew are going anywhere and will both end up one club players.

The supplied remarks are the two extremities of the options.

Only a complete and utter nuffy would suggest Andrew would go to GC, and the only way they'll play footy together in W.A. is with East Fremantle after they have retired.

Dave will come to North or he'll stay at GC. That's it in a nutshell. Andrew probably has 8 years of footy left.

 

[brendan84]

The supplied remarks are the two extremities of the options.

Only a complete and utter nuffy would suggest Andrew would go to GC, and the only way they'll play footy together in W.A. is with East Fremantle after they have retired.

Dave will come to North or he'll stay at GC. That's it in a nutshell. Andrew probably has 8 years of footy left.

I'm not suggesting Andrew would go to the GC, I don't think he would. But if they were that desperate to play together then, when Andrew became a free agent, wouldn't he possibly pursue a move to the GC?

It is obviously unlikely, but so is David moving to North without them giving up a significant amount for him, which I'm not sure they would be willing to do.

 

[The Redeemer]

All the realists knew it would happen based on where Bally was at in his footy career.

Don't see how this applies to David Swallow- who is one of the brightest young stars in the country and would be one of the most sought after players on the open market.

Get Ball fit and it was always going to be obvious how good a player he was.

It was an unfortunate set of circumstances that led to his departure from the Saints however in hindsight he is probably worth something close to a top 10 pick if another team traded for him now.

Good on him too because I have no doubt he would have stayed if he played more game time and was fitter.

 

[PumpyChowdown]

Of course Andrew is headed to GC. It's a cynical move that smacks of desperation from North to appoint him captain.

 

[Heisenberg_]

The supplied remarks are the two extremities of the options.

Only a complete and utter nuffy would suggest Andrew would go to GC, and the only way they'll play footy together in W.A. is with East Fremantle after they have retired.

Dave will come to North or he'll stay at GC. That's it in a nutshell. Andrew probably has 8 years of footy left.

It's far more likely they will play local footy together then any of the trade/drafting suggestions you have put forward that is truly the work of a complete dribbler, but this is no surprise seeing after the complete shit you have come up with other the years with your many aliases.

 

[raskolnikov]

Re: North to name Skipper today

Journo mate of mine reckons Swallow was dirty at them saying he wants to be a one club player. Has never said that.

There's also the very real possibility that both of them may want to move back to WA at some stage.

Oh, a journo mate who has inside knowledge, which makes everything anyone else says irrelevant.

 

[Old Skool]

It's far more likely they will play local footy together then any of the trade/drafting suggestions you have put forward that is truly the work of a complete dribbler, but this is no surprise seeing after the complete shit you have come up with other the years with your many aliases.

I haven't put any trading proposals forward.

You need to learn to divide rational thought from emotional perceptions, if you ever want to be taken seriously as a football judge.

 

[Bluish]

It's a cynical move that smacks of desperation from North to appoint him captain.

Or, perhaps, he could have been the standout candidate after an excellent 2011, including a B&F and club leading Brownlow votegetter, to take over to allow Harvey to play out his last couple of seasons without the burden of captaincy?

Just reward for a fine player. Nothing cynical.

FWIW, I'd say it's more likely than not that David will play his whole career out for GC. If we can manage to lure him without giving away too much, then great, but I think both North and GC will be more than happy with the brother they have already.

 

[Wernumberone]

You need to learn to divide rational thought from emotional perceptions, if you ever want to be taken seriously as a football judge.

OMG!!!!.

I believe Arnie said it best.

"Look who's talking"

 

[Husk]

Quite properly, this debate was removed from a thread designed to celebrate the rise to power of Andrew Swallow.

However, there seems to be a significant percentage of North supporters who feel that it is now fait accompli that they will get Gold Coast superstar and number one pick David Swallow to the club, based on Andrew's ascension, and some comments made in the media about the brothers.

This thread is to have that debate, and examine the alleged evidence that this will happen.

Bullsh_t

 

[AG]

I haven't put any trading proposals forward.

You need to learn to divide rational thought from emotional perceptions, if you ever want to be taken seriously as a football judge.

tbh, you need to apply that to yourself. I know you like to bait, the post I'm quoting is proof, but I've seen some of your posts on the North board and you'd be a better poster if you weren't so one eyed on the main board. You aren't taken seriously at all, maybe you like that, but I have no idea what goes through your head before you post most of the time.

Saying Andrew is no chance of going to the GC and David is a chance of going to North is proof of that. It's such a big unknown to write any scenario off. The possibility is slim, simply because they'll probably both end up superb players but obviously there is a chance it could be the Suns.

 

[Heisenberg_]

I haven't put any trading proposals forward.

You need to learn to divide rational thought from emotional perceptions, if you ever want to be taken seriously as a football judge.

Can't believe what I just read, you haven't put any trading proposals forward but you have put up suggestions of what would be required that wouldn't get close as well as wanting GC best young midfielder but putting all your top liners away as untouchables and suggesting that if a trade couldn't be done that all the other clubs would be kind enough to overlook him in the draft.

Trust me champ the day I am rated alongside you is the day I delete my account

 

[Old Skool]

Can't believe what I just read, you haven't put any trading proposals forward...........

Thanks.

If you get it right the first time next time then you might avoid any unnecessary angst.

Saying Andrew is no chance of going to the GC and David is a chance of going to North is proof of that. It's such a big unknown to write any scenario off. The possibility is slim, simply because they'll probably both end up superb players but obviously there is a chance it could be the Suns.

Knowing Andrew, I'm happy to conclude there is no chance at all.

The history of events would also support that notion.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Gotta love selective quoting

 

[Starburns_]

Very few North supporters believe Andrew's appoint MEANS wil are SURE to get Little Spitta. Any that do are idiots.

What we do know is this:

Both of them have expressed a desire to play together.

Andrew has rejected a big money move to GWS and now taken our captaincy.

Thus, if they are to play together it will be at North.

Now, to get David would cost a great deal. You have to give up quality to get quality.

However, if in this speculative world we're talking about, Little Spitta came out of contract and asked to be traded to North a la Judd, his price would fall by about 20 per cent.

But still Gold Coast would want - minimum - a top 5 pick and a very good young player. Depending on what he'd achieved by then it could well be higher.

Right now that would mean us giving up the likes of Wells to get the top 5 pick (West Coast were offering pick 4 for him before last year) and someone like Ryan Bastinac or Kieran Harper. I'm not sure I'd want to pay that price, as good as David is.

Two things though.

One is that people should leave the Bay13 hur hur hur Norf haz no money$ why would hany playaz wont 2 go there stuff behind.

Fact is North have re-signed a number of players in the face of very significant expansion club attention: Swallow and Goldstein being the key examples.

Secondly, players like to go to successful teams. When North were up and about in the 90s we lured Shannon Grant (top 3 draft pick, had finished 2nd in Rising Star) and Leigh Colbert.

Will David end up at North? Who knows. Long way to go.

Is it the impossibility many seem to believe, usually based on Bay13esque crap?

No, far from it. Andrew has already been speaking publicly, as captain, about how he's working to get his brother down to Arden Street.

I'll believe in David the kanga when I see him in blue and white stripes.

But it isn't something I'll just dismiss out of hand.

Why though is it so easy to dismiss the possibility Andrew will go to the GC? Consider that over say the next 4 years North don't come on as expected, Andrew becomes an unrestricted free agent, and the suns are quite possibly a top 4 side by then. Why wouldn't Andrew look to move, not only for the opportunity to play with his brother, but also for the chance to win a premiership? It's not beyond the realms of possibility. Of course that argument could work in reverse in North's favour, but it would also require a trade to go through, which is clearly North's biggest obstacle in trying to get David.

Personally, I think neither of them are going anywhere, reality will hit that it's nothing more than a childhood dream. David will likely become comfortable on the Gold Coast over the next few years and will probably be reluctant to move, especially considering how difficult it could be.

 

[Tas]

IMO the Suns player they should chase is Tom Lynch when he comes off contract at the end of this year. The kangas list management since 08 has been solid, but for mine they haven't nailed the KPF spot yet. Lynch won't come cheap, but I think he's a far easier target than Swallow.

Our KPFs haven't taken off for a variety of reasons but when Petrie busted his feet I thought Hansen showed promise at FF, he just hasn't been that spectacular in different forward roles outside of FF and Petrie isn't flash outside of FF either so we have a bit of an issue there.

We also have Black, Kennedy and Tarrant who have had some major injury setbacks. We don't at this point in time have a younger guy who is flying in those roles.

 

[Kim Hagdorn]

North Melbourne supporters on this site would have to be the most delusional by the length of the Nullabor, funny stuff.

 

[96_North_99]

North Melbourne supporters on this site would have to be the most delusional by the length of the Nullabor, funny stuff.

If you'd have cared to actually read the thread you'd see there's only one showing of us showing any delusion.

 

[Belnakor]

i heard Andrew works for a bank in his spare time? Dont' know of too many banks who are based on the Gold Coast...

 

[TheSunGod]

i heard Andrew works for a bank in his spare time? Dont' know of too many banks who are based on the Gold Coast...

Maybe he could be traded to Brisbane. Simon Black owns his own bank