Review Winners and losers - trade week 2024

[Tonythetiger]

You should lower your expectations, there's no world where the AFL will let a team pay under the cap floor to their own players, so the maximum potential is limited.

I'm sure we meet the cap floor, but let's say we have reached that and prepaid guys like Balta and Taranto a big chunk of their salaries and have one year where we are just paying the floor and want to purchase the best pick we can. There's talk of trading salary cap for picks too. Although this is a problem it would be better not to have. If a few of our draftees are looking good and want to commit long term, it might be better spent doing a few front loaded contracts instead.

 

[Profop]

You should lower your expectations, there's no world where the AFL will let a team pay under the cap floor to their own players, so the maximum potential is limited.

Isn’t the cap floor 92% or something close to that?

If we were to sell the remaining 8% for picks it is interesting what that would deliver

Bowes contract wouldn’t have been anywhere near 8% of the Suns salary cap and they gave up a top ten pick to remove that from their books

 

[Dr Tigris]

Isn’t the cap floor 92% or something close to that?

If we were to sell the remaining 8% for picks it is interesting what that would deliver

Bowes contract wouldn’t have been anywhere near 8% of the Suns salary cap and they gave up a top ten pick to remove that from their books

8% of the salary cap would get you a pretty good trae I would think.

 

[jackenny]

With Tasmania coming into the comp, I really like how aggressively Tigers are loading up on the draft beforehand. If they do the same next year, major props.

 

[BennyGan]

With Tasmania coming into the comp, I really like how aggressively Tigers are loading up on the draft beforehand. If they do the same next year, major props.

not sure what players they have left to offload now to do the same, unless you mean maybe trading out some of these later picks for future firsts

 

[jackenny]

not sure what players they have left to offload now to do the same, unless you mean maybe trading out some of these later picks for future firsts

That’s my thought. Being able to trade excess draft picks this year for future ones next year. Especially if they can turn single draft picks into multiples.

 

[BennyGan]

That’s my thought. Being able to trade excess draft picks this year for future ones next year. Especially if they can turn single draft picks into multiples.

if i were the tigers i'd be aiming to get at least two extra firsts for next year from the current hand they have

 

[THE_GUN]

Id be pretty confident we will trade 2 later picks for future 1st rounders that will give Richmond 3 x 1st rounders play 1st pick of the 2nd round.

Meeting the cap floor is no issue with
Taranto x 5 years $700k
Hopper x 5 years $700k
Balta x 7 years $1,000,000
Short x 3 years $600k
Broad x 2 years $500k

Thats $15,000,000 just there on 5 players that you can front load 60% just in 2025

 

[Hamingja]

If a few of our draftees are looking good and want to commit long term, it might be better spent doing a few front loaded contracts instead.

I reckon this is a big trap with the minimum cap. North have had talented young players like Thomas and Zurhaar not develop to their potential because they get a guaranteed game and big $$$ right out of the gate on potential because they have to pay someone. There ends up little incentive for those guys to really push themselves to get better. As soon as their original draft contracts expire they get $500k+. Flip side is someone like Dempsey at Geelong who would have been on a base of like $200k coming into his third year this year who needs to bust his arse to get a game and stay in the side and then actually has to earn that sort of contract. Minimum cap is a massive scourge for poor teams.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I reckon this is a big trap with the minimum cap. North have had talented young players like Thomas and Zurhaar not develop to their potential because they get a guaranteed game and big $$$ right out of the gate on potential because they have to pay someone. There ends up little incentive for those guys to really push themselves to get better. As soon as their original draft contracts expire they get $500k+. Flip side is someone like Dempsey at Geelong who would have been on a base of like $200k coming into his third year this year who needs to bust his arse to get a game and stay in the side and then actually has to earn that sort of contract. Minimum cap is a massive scourge for poor teams.

i get what you are saying but I don’t think those two players are good examples. Zurhaar broke out in his 3rd year then got paid which you have to do. Thomas always looked a freak and was always getting paid by someone.
Dempsey will now get huge long term offers after his third year, a lot more than Zurhaar for example. (Which he deserves but it’s the same thing)

 

[THE_GUN]

Sooner cap trading come in the better

Paying 2nd rate players A grade salaries is a terrible example to set and the 92% cap floor is also stupid
should be as low as 80%

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

How many years have we been hearing this out of Adelaide?

Literally only the last 2 years.

Seriously wtf are you talking about?

 

[Rimmer]

We had to lose big to win big, the change of the guard with retirements, desertions and dispersing of our premiership player stock have left us thread bare. That said we have had a great opportunity to rebuild in this super draft bringing in talented youth to support the remaining senior players. With Tasmania and compromised drafts ahead our restock timing is opportune ....

We have feasted with a famine imminent ...

 

[Gavin Excell]

We had to lose big to win big, the change of the guard with retirements, desertions and dispersing of our premiership player stock have left us thread bare. That said we have had a great opportunity to rebuild in this super draft bringing in talented youth to support the remaining senior players. With Tasmania and compromised drafts ahead our restock timing is opportune ....

We have feasted with a famine imminent ...

Yes that last line is a very good summation

 

[master bate]

Sooner cap trading come in the better

Paying 2nd rate players A grade salaries is a terrible example to set and the 92% cap floor is also stupid
should be as low as 80%

Cap trading is a horrendous idea tho. Yes, floor could be lower. But the afl is riddled with advantages where teams rig the system for mutual benefit - free agent compensation for instance. Adding another one where a good team just buys an advantage is an awful idea

 

[THE_GUN]

Cap trading is a horrendous idea tho. Yes, floor could be lower. But the afl is riddled with advantages where teams rig the system for mutual benefit - free agent compensation for instance. Adding another one where a good team just buys an advantage is an awful idea

Why ?

for lower teams it gets picks to climb up the ladder and not have to over pay kids that dont deserve crazy money so early

for the higher teams it enables them to keep gun players from getting poached

 

[beatnik]

Why ?

for lower teams it gets picks to climb up the ladder and not have to over pay kids that dont deserve crazy money so early

for the higher teams it enables them to keep gun players from getting poached

I thought the post you replied to explained the ‘why’ pretty well

 

[THE_GUN]

I thought the post you replied to explained the ‘why’ pretty well

it did not

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Will be interesting to see how Richmond do next year as well
Maybe able to use psd threat to get a victorian player to move club

 

[THE_GUN]

Will be interesting to see how Richmond do next year as well
Maybe able to use psd threat to get a victorian player to move club

Whats Hewett's contract status

 

[tiger_tough]

Cap trading is a horrendous idea tho. Yes, floor could be lower. But the afl is riddled with advantages where teams rig the system for mutual benefit - free agent compensation for instance. Adding another one where a good team just buys an advantage is an awful idea

Cap trading is a great equalisation tool. Yes it may help the top teams short term but in the long run they'll pay the price for coughing up their early picks and the bottom sides that can afford to sell cap space will benefit medium-long term......thats equalisation.

 

[My_Username]

Will be interesting to see how Richmond do next year as well
Maybe able to use psd threat to get a victorian player to move club

They don't seem to have tried to use it this year.

Not sure if that's because they didn't have a target they wanted or they just don't work that way.

 

[THE_GUN]

They don't seem to have tried to use it this year.

Not sure if that's because they didn't have a target they wanted or they just don't work that way.

Not many teams use the PSD as a threat these days and its really a waste of time

 

[master bate]

Cap trading is a great equalisation tool. Yes it may help the top teams short term but in the long run they'll pay the price for coughing up their early picks and the bottom sides that can afford to sell cap space will benefit medium-long term......thats equalisation.

It's really not. It will widen the gap between the top and bottom teams and only incentivize bottom sides to go full scorched earth rebuild which then means 7+ year rebuilds and uncompetitive games.

But more worrying than anything it will widen the gap between the destination teams and the non destination teams.

Why would Geelong or Collingwood ever need an early draft pick if they can buy an extra 700k cap and a player every year? They'll just keep topping up year on year whilst teams down the bottom fool themselves in to thinking an extra pick 18 is going to help them get better whilst they're getting done by 10 goals each week.

And the teams in the middle who can't attract players as easily for on and mostly off field reasons will be squeezed

A cap is a cap. You can't muck around with it.

 

[tiger_tough]

It's really not. It will widen the gap between the top and bottom teams and only incentivize bottom sides to go full scorched earth rebuild which then means 7+ year rebuilds and uncompetitive games.

But more worrying than anything it will widen the gap between the destination teams and the non destination teams.

Why would Geelong or Collingwood ever need an early draft pick if they can buy an extra 700k cap and a player every year? They'll just keep topping up year on year whilst teams down the bottom fool themselves in to thinking an extra pick 18 is going to help them get better whilst they're getting done by 10 goals each week.

And the teams in the middle who can't attract players as easily for on and mostly off field reasons will be squeezed

A cap is a cap. You can't muck around with it.

I assume there would be rules in place so that can't happen, eg. once every few seasons or something.

It also doesn't necessarily mean the club topping up would be buying players, it could simply mean they'd have more coin to retain the ones they have rather than losing them to bigger contracts elsewhere. For example Grundy, Treloar, Brendon Ellis, Chol etc