Review Winners and losers - trade week 2024

[Wild Bill]

Most sides achieve nothing and then have to rebuild with your stock standard draft picks, maybe a free agent compensation, an older player trading out.

The perfect set of circumstances eventuated for our rebuild and we got a premium on a number of players who we would have gotten much less for if they weren't premiership players. This is an expansion side draft hand we have been given and if we take all the picks and really nail 5-6 (or more) of them, we are going to bounce back hard.

Losing 3 of your best 5 players as well as the Tiger GOAT will put you a long way back.

Yes you have a great draft hand - but if its A 2003 or 2020 draft then the bounce back is a long way away.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Fair enough.

I think Pick4 will need to become a gun full time midfielder for you to genuinely challenge. That will take a couple of years at best.

That will allow Soligo to be #2 and Rankine and Dawson to keep playing their part time roles. Peatling can be part of a strong midfield team but I don't think he is that top end talent.

Time will tell.

Why would we want Dawson & Rankine to play part time roles? They are our best 2 midfielders, so along with Soligo, Crouch, Peatling, ANB & Rachele gives us some depth in midfield rotations. Pedlar & Taylor should provided some depth too.

Hopefully pick 4 will come into the side, but we shouldn't be banking on them.

 

[Rich01]

Losing 3 of your best 5 players as well as the Tiger GOAT will put you a long way back.

Yes you have a great draft hand - but if its A 2003 or 2020 draft then the bounce back is a long way away.

2003 was a stinker. But you’re going back 21 years to find such a bad draft. Feels like it’s been called out by all and sundry as the opposite to this.

And 2020 if we used the picks as they fell that night would have got us….

Thilthorpe, Hollands, Pedlar, Bruin, Holmes, ODriscoll and Berry.

Not the best return but also not the calamity some castrophise in a draft where there were reasons for it being so variable.

 

[Wild Bill]

2003 was a stinker. But you’re going back 21 years to find such a bad draft. Feels like it’s been called out by all and sundry as the opposite to this.

And 2020 if we used the picks as they fell that night would have got us….

Thilthorpe, Hollands, Pedlar, Bruin, Holmes, ODriscoll and Berry.

Not the best return but also not the calamity some castrophise in a draft where there were reasons for it being so variable.

You are getting Ashcroft, Kako and Lombard bids before 18. Replace Holmes with Bowey.

 

[Tonythetiger]

Losing 3 of your best 5 players as well as the Tiger GOAT will put you a long way back.

Yes you have a great draft hand - but if its A 2003 or 2020 draft then the bounce back is a long way away.

In years gone past, we've struggled with first rounders and really had a lot more success later in the draft and the rookie draft. Guys like Dow, RCD, C.Ellis and Lennon are examples where we had one pick in the first round and stuffed it. There's a lot more to be optimistic about this year due to the eveness of the draft and the sheer number of goes we have to get it right. Blues got Curnow and McKay in one draft with picks 10 and 12 or something like that.

Bombers also had three consecutive early-mid first round picks and none have looked like becoming stars. I'd rather have the opportunity to potentially nail it than be stuck with limited picks relying on the later picks coming good.

All the guys that left, they didn't want to be here anymore, it happens and it's understandable. We got great service out of all of them so can't complain. I really don't see how we can go into this draft with any other feeling but extreme optimism about what the future holds.

Would you think that being at rock bottom, ground zero we are closer to a flag than some other sides? I would argue that the Bombers with their current list are not going to make the leap to being a contender and are more likely to end up blowing up the list at some point in the next couple of years and starting again.

 

[Wild Bill]

In years gone past, we've struggled with first rounders and really had a lot more success later in the draft and the rookie draft. Guys like Dow, RCD, C.Ellis and Lennon are examples where we had one pick in the first round and stuffed it. There's a lot more to be optimistic about this year due to the eveness of the draft and the sheer number of goes we have to get it right. Blues got Curnow and McKay in one draft with picks 10 and 12 or something like that.

Bombers also had three consecutive early-mid first round picks and none have looked like becoming stars. I'd rather have the opportunity to potentially nail it than be stuck with limited picks relying on the later picks coming good.

All the guys that left, they didn't want to be here anymore, it happens and it's understandable. We got great service out of all of them so can't complain. I really don't see how we can go into this draft with any other feeling but extreme optimism about what the future holds.

Would you think that being at rock bottom, ground zero we are closer to a flag than some other sides? I would argue that the Bombers with their current list are not going to make the leap to being a contender and are more likely to end up blowing up the list at some point in the next couple of years and starting again.

I like what you have done. This draft is so important - it’s nearly like what the Suns and GWS got. Two different paths on how well they drafted. It’s what the Tigers face in November.

Agree about mid table finishes. It’s hard to make the next step with mid 1st round picks.

 

[Tbonefreo]

You are getting Ashcroft, Kako and Lombard bids before 18. Replace Holmes with Bowey.

I remember bowey. Is he still on the list?

 

[threesixpio]

We didn’t win this year. Maybe it might mean we win on field. Probably not

That’s what I was thinking. When teams are a little more sensible in trade week they “lose the trade period”

 

[1990crow]

Fair enough.

I think Pick4 will need to become a gun full time midfielder for you to genuinely challenge. That will take a couple of years at best.

That will allow Soligo to be #2 and Rankine and Dawson to keep playing their part time roles. Peatling can be part of a strong midfield team but I don't think he is that top end talent.

Time will tell.

I think that's fair. Even the most positive crows fan wouldn't think we challenge next year.
Should be a transition year where they finally get into the bottom half of the top 8 and hopefully progress from there with Pick 4 playing a role from 2026/2027 in improving that area.
Curtin likely to be settled into midfield as well over that time so group could look like Pick 4, Curtin, Soligo, Peatling, Rankine, Dawson.

Unknown is whether they can trade in a player like Phillipou.

 

[1990crow]

Why would we want Dawson & Rankine to play part time roles? They are our best 2 midfielders, so along with Soligo, Crouch, Peatling, ANB & Rachele gives us some depth in midfield rotations. Pedlar & Taylor should provided some depth too.

Hopefully pick 4 will come into the side, but we shouldn't be banking on them.

When this side peaks it will look better with Dawson on the outside IMO to deliver the ball from back half, wing and into the forward 50. Basically a wingman.

That means we will have to put together a midfield that involves Rankine, Soligo, Pick 4, Peatling, Curtin and hopefully trade in someone over next 2 offseasons

 

[Enviable Tradition]

When this side peaks it will look better with Dawson on the outside IMO to deliver the ball from back half, wing and into the forward 50. Basically a wingman.

That means we will have to put together a midfield that involves Rankine, Soligo, Pick 4, Peatling, Curtin and hopefully trade in someone over next 2 offseasons

This is what I think too. I also think Rankine is more damaging as a mid/forward more like Bolton than a full time mid.

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[1990crow]

This is what I think too. I also think Rankine is more damaging as a mid/forward more like Bolton than a full time mid.

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I'm on the fence on that one. 2025 will paint that picture. If he can start having 25+ disposal games kicking 2 goals a game or thereabouts midfield with stints forward - its midfield for mine.

If he can't do that and is a 20D midfielder, then yes you'd like him to increase his goal assists and goals with a split role.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I remember bowey. Is he still on the list?

61 games in 4 season, and a premiership player.

 

[Nebular]

What key position players were available? The Hawks beat our interest in Battle, and Barrass would have come at a similar cost to Houston (if we could have secured his trade request), but is older and will likely play less footy. Houston a bigger need with Noble wanting out.

There were no forwards available who are upgrades on what we have

I hear Tyrone Vickery is available.

 

[HongKongRoo]

Very happy with North’s effort this year.

Added three experienced players of quality to help the kids. That can not be underestimated as to how much we need that.

Four players in, still have our first round pick (hope they split it), and each one fills a need.

This has Clarko all over it. He rates proven players in the system over mid to late draft picks.

 

[WillHayward]

Hope it's better than the Double-Daicos era. For your sake.

Didn't they win a flag in 2023?

 

[WillHayward]

Not sure if we're winners but it's the best off season I can remember us having

Every single player who openly nominated a club, contracted or not, got to their destination. Do away with "trade week", it's the most artificial, manipulated trade period of any sport. Utterly pointless, just let players nominate and compensate clubs, why lie about it being trades. Baffles me fans stress about this, nuffies. Once a player nominates, it's over. Why stress about picks and shit, doesn't matter

The only winner from trade week is Hutchie.

How he manages to attract so many ads for such absolutely abysmal content is a miracle.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Short term winners

1. Hawks: really going all in for 2025. May cost them if they struggle this year. But the right call covering the right positions. Biggest short term winners.

2. Collingwood: Good pick ups for 2025. Only giving up lesser players, a F1 that may have been eaten by McGuane and a down grade of a 2nd to a 3rd. Would have been in trouble anyway long term even if they got pick 13 and 27.

3. Adelaide: Looks like they got a few nice pick ups with some solid B graders. They kept their pick 4 so win for the long term as well.

4. Fremantle: improved their list for next year with the most talented player. Hopefully he becomes elite he has the talent.

5. North: a couple of good additions with older leadership being a plus in my eyes.

Short term losers

1. Richmond: looks like a North like extended period of pain over the next 5 years unless their draft picks play extremely good from day 1. Lost too many good players off a very low base. Would love to get them twice next year. Might struggle to get a win in 2025.

2. GWS: Lost 3 solid players and only got 1 back. They have close to the best list in the game so it might not cost them even in the short term but it's still a loss.

3. Carlton: Lost their most productive small forward, delisted a good but injury prone medium forward and a solid midfielder. It almost looked like they were struggling with cap space after re-signing Weitering and they need more for TDK. Picked up no one and traded most of their picks for 1 future player. Hope he is good.

Long term the winners look the opposite but it's always harder to judge that. Richmond clearly did well getting the picks they got but I suspect they would be paying good coin in wages to both Fremantle and Gold Coast to get those picks which would be a smart play for all the clubs involved imo.

Edit: Forgot Geelong on the short term winners. Probably just behind Freo.

 

[rabidcrow]

Short term winners

1. Hawks: really going all in for 2025. May cost them if they struggle this year. But the right call covering the right positions. Biggest short term winners.

2. Collingwood: Good pick ups for 2025. Only giving up lesser players, a F1 that may have been eaten by McGuane and a down grade of a 2nd to a 3rd. Would have been in trouble anyway long term even if they got pick 13 and 27.

3. Adelaide: Looks like they got a few nice pick ups with some solid B graders. They kept their pick 4 so win for the long term as well.

4. Fremantle: improved their list for next year with the most talented player. Hopefully he becomes elite he has the talent.

5. North: a couple of good additions with older leadership being a plus in my eyes.

Short term losers

1. Richmond: looks like a North like extended period of pain over the next 5 years unless their draft picks play extremely good from day 1. Lost too many good players off a very low base. Would love to get them twice next year. Might struggle to get a win in 2025.

2. GWS: Lost 3 solid players and only got 1 back. They have close to the best list in the game so it might not cost them even in the short term but it's still a loss.

3. Carlton: Lost their most productive small forward, delisted a good but injury prone medium forward and a solid midfielder. It almost looked like they were struggling with cap space after re-signing Weitering and they need more for TDK. Picked up no one and traded most of their picks for 1 future player. Hope he is good.

Long term the winners look the opposite but it's always harder to judge that. Richmond clearly did well getting the picks they got but I suspect they would be paying good coin in wages to both Fremantle and Gold Coast to get those picks which would be a smart play for all the clubs involved imo.

Edit: Forgot Geelong on the short term winners. Probably just behind Freo.

Watch in 2 years time - with 3/4 wins over the next 2 seasons - suggestions Richmond need priority picks!!

AFL should be already making it clear - If Richmond don’t win a game for 5 years they still won’t be eligible for priority picks


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[THE_GUN]

Losing 3 of your best 5 players as well as the Tiger GOAT will put you a long way back.

Yes you have a great draft hand - but if its A 2003 or 2020 draft then the bounce back is a long way away.

There are many ways to rebuild these days compared to 2003

Richmond have a great draft hand this year with 8 picks inside 24 which is 1/3rd of the picks
But also have the ability to trade 2 maybe 3 of the later picks 20 , 23 , 24 into 2025 1st rounder which ideally will give 5 1st this year and 3 next year and an early 2nd so possibly 4 inside 20.

Then we have Free agency that was not around in 2003
Richmond are a BIG club and wont have the problems north have with attracting talent to come as free agents but thats 2/3 years away still.

But what could become the real accelerator to rebuilds is the ability to trade cap space
Richmond has shed around $6,000,000 of cap from retirements and trades and will shed another 2,500,000 next year with more contracts ending and retirements to players like Prestia , McIntosh and Lynch
Then there is the cap increase in 2025 and beyond.

The ability to trade cap space going foward could potentially bring in another 4-5 1st rounder in the next 3 years
That would be15 -20 picks inside top 25 in 4 years when Tassie arrives. This has not happened before in any rebuild

But of course you have to get the selections correct
But im still expecting a 5 year rebuild before any finals are discussed

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

There are many ways to rebuild these days compared to 2003

Richmond have a great draft hand this year with 8 picks inside 24 which is 1/3rd of the picks
But also have the ability to trade 2 maybe 3 of the later picks 20 , 23 , 24 into 2025 1st rounder which ideally will give 5 1st this year and 3 next year and an early 2nd so possibly 4 inside 20.

Then we have Free agency that was not around in 2003
Richmond are a BIG club and wont have the problems north have with attracting talent to come as free agents but thats 2/3 years away still.

But what could become the real accelerator to rebuilds is the ability to trade cap space
Richmond has shed around $6,000,000 of cap from retirements and trades and will shed another 2,500,000 next year with more contracts ending and retirements to players like Prestia , McIntosh and Lynch
Then there is the cap increase in 2025 and beyond.

The ability to trade cap space going foward could potentially bring in another 4-5 1st rounder in the next 3 years
That would be15 -20 picks inside top 25 in 4 years when Tassie arrives. This has not happened before in any rebuild

But of course you have to get the selections correct
But im still expecting a 5 year rebuild before any finals are discussed

To get the picks they got for Rioli and Bolton my feeling is that they already gave up a lot of cap space in the deals. I'm sure they have more to give up in the future as well.

 

[THE_GUN]

To get the picks they got for Rioli and Bolton my feeling is that they already gave up a lot of cap space in the deals. I'm sure they have more to give up in the future as well.

Richmond is not paying any of the Bolton or Rioli salaries
it was reported that Blair refused any salary contribution for players breaking their contracts

 

[Dr Tigris]

Richmond is not paying any of the Bolton or Rioli salaries
it was reported that Blair refused any salary contribution for players breaking their contracts

Which surprised me a lot. The TIgers are really looking like they want to go very hard at the draft over about 3 years. Trading this year, then trade for F1 & F2 picks, then buy picks.

And we still have the core of a 1/2 decent team. The new kids will be protected and the club can manage their games to give exposure and development. As THE_GUN said about having to hit the draft picks, you also have to develop them well. It's a huge task the club has taken on. But if they get it right they'll be contending for about a decade. High risk, high reward approach.