Wishes for 2006 ??

[tige19]

What are your wishes for the draft, trading and delisting. In your ideal world who would we get and who would we give up to do so, also with these wishes in your ideal world what would be a realisitic wins/position wise for the club.

TRADE:

We get Kosi from the Saints for Joel Smith and our 2nd rounder (pick 18??.)
Hay to WCE for Staker plus 2nd rounder (pick 38-40)
Trade on the WCE 2nd rounder and Lonie to Essendon for David Hille
Robbie Campbell to Carlton for Luke Livingston

DRAFT:

Marc Murphy pick 2 179cm 75kg - Mitchel Clarke pick 4 197cm 91kg -
Reese Thomas pick 40-42 192cm 81kg - Gareth Bowes pick 60 odd 179cm 81kg

DELIST:

Beaumont
Holland
Kane
Vandenburg
Nixon
Ball
Greene (pay out)
Ries (pay out)

PSD:

After Geelong have realised that they cant afford to resign everyone we grab Jimmy Bartel in the Pre Season Draft.

Our team would look ok and go something like this

B:Brown Livingston Brennan
HB:Jacobs Croad Lewis
C:Bartel Hodge Bateman
HF:Lekkas Kosi Franklin
F:Staker Williams Barker
R:Everitt Mitchell Crawford
INT:Hille Murphy Roughead Clarke

We would end up with 12 wins and scrape into the eight.

Just in my ideal semi realisitic world

Thoughts??

 

[chicky17]

-Draft Xavier Ellis & Beau Dowler (picks 2 & 4)

-Offload Jon Hay to anyone that will have him (maybe not the scum, cause Sheedy will probably turn him back into the player he once was).

-Danny Jacobs (see Jon Hay) is an awkward size and is slow as wet week!
except the scum are more than welcome to have hime back.

-Hopefully pick up a quick outside midfielder in the preseason draft, not sure who. But somebody who hasn't been getting much of a go elsewhere and has a mature body to play immediately!

 

[Nightwolf]

Those trades Tige will never happen.

People please, Smith is not going anywhere, so dont put him on the trade table.

Id trade alot to get Staker at Hawthorn however...

 

[IDGAF]

Nightwolf`s plea for 06` is for more people on this board to talk to him

 

[tige19]

Those trades Tige will never happen.

People please, Smith is not going anywhere, so dont put him on the trade table.

Id trade alot to get Staker at Hawthorn however...

Mate for gods sake it is just a hypothetical and something i would like to see happen, i never said that it would happen.

The Staker for Hay trade is very realistic as is the Smith for Kosi one. St Kilida will have no barganing power when it comes to Kosi at the end of the season and if he does hold out and not sign St Kildas contract what i am offering is more than generous. The other trades are probably not what the other clubs are looking for but the Essendon one isnt that far off the mark. They need speed in there midield and Lonie would provide that we can throw in the 2nd rounder WCE gave us to sweeten the deal, remembering they are rebuilding and have a crap load of ruckman at hand.

cheers

 

[Nightwolf]

Mate for gods sake it is just a hypothetical and something i would like to see happen, i never said that it would happen.

The Staker for Hay trade is very realistic as is the Smith for Kosi one. St Kilida will have no barganing power when it comes to Kosi at the end of the season and if he does hold out and not sign St Kildas contract what i am offering is more than generous. The other trades are probably not what the other clubs are looking for but the Essendon one isnt that far off the mark. They need speed in there midield and Lonie would provide that we can throw in the 2nd rounder WCE gave us to sweeten the deal, remembering they are rebuilding and have a crap load of ruckman at hand.

cheers

Relax mate i know it was hypothetical, by the way we suddenly look like a good team

We just signed Smith up, and granted is down on form, is still valuable IMO.

Id honestly look at involving Hay in a deal to get Staker, coz that bloke will be a star...

Oh and Vanders has already signed

 

[cats2rise]

After Geelong have realised that they cant afford to resign everyone we grab Jimmy Bartel in the Pre Season Draft.

Thoughts??

While we are at it, we may aswell give u Kelly, Chapman, Ablett Jnr, Ling, SJ, Scarlett aswell!!
Get outta here lol

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Although Glass had a stinker on Friday night, I still don't think the Eagles would be interested in taking Hay.

Further, I think the Eagles would like strength in depth in their KPP stocks and it'll take a fair amount to get them to trade the likes of Staker.

Still not sold on Koschitzke. He might have played a blinder on the weekend, but it was against Carlton and it was his first game back in ages. What's the point of getting a superstar if he's crocked all the time - we've already had two of those in Barker and Holland. Ask yourselves: do we really need another one?

Smith won't leave, purely because he's on a 3 year contract and we'd have to pay some of it for the remainder of the contract. Might as well have him play for us.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Hay to WCE for Staker plus 2nd rounder (pick 38-40)

You'll be the ones including a draft pick as a sweetener.

You seem to have us confused with the Dockers. We wouldn't get taken for a ride like this.

 

[Bling13]

And why would they bewilling to give up a young "star in the making" for a FB in which they already have (whisper)His name is Glass(whisper)

P.S Even though its hypothetical you still have to be realistic

 

[tige19]

Relax mate i know it was hypothetical, by the way we suddenly look like a good team

We just signed Smith up, and granted is down on form, is still valuable IMO.

Id honestly look at involving Hay in a deal to get Staker, coz that bloke will be a star...

Oh and Vanders has already signed

No probs dude, but id still like to see Smith go while he has some fairly strong value.

Id like to see your views on what you would like to see can happen with the club next year, if we play our cards right we could seriously end up with a good side. We have cash in the bank for players and have some descent enough names to bargain with.

As for the Staker for Hay trade, WCE really do need a FB, Glass wouldnt get a game at most other clubs he is 3rd rate, while granted Hay isnt at his best at the moment he is still young and experienced and worth a fair bit. WCE would be more than interested in trading for him, they are a FB short of possibly being a great side, noting they are already fantastic but may lack a FB to complete them.

cheers

 

[cs61]

I'd like to see us go after a backup ruckman so Spider can play forward. Hille or Brogan for our second/third round pick in a possibily weak draft.

I rate Joel Smith very highly and am not willing to jump off him just because he's out of form, he did reject collingwood to stay with us, so i'm i guess I'm willing to support him when he's a bit down on form.

I'm worried we are going to trade osborne, who I think will be a good player in time, should try to keep him IMO.

use picks 2,4 for Murphy and Clarke.

Use PSD pick to get a midfielder with ability to break lines.

Delist

Ball, Beaumont, Holland, Ries, Greene, Scott, Nixon

Trade Johnny Hay while he may have some value for Staker. We might need to throw in a late pick. Think Boyle should be blooded to play fullback.

My main wish is for Johny Barker to stay fit and have a forward line next year of

Lekkas Barker Franklin
Everitt Williams Crawford

Think Roughead will be used in Defence until he develops a bit more.

Don't trade players like Osborne for second round picks please....... late picks are overated, especially for up and coming players.

 

[FatBoy's Wombats]

We are dreaming if we think we can get Kosi. Stay with the youth policy no more Jacobs like trades or deals. Trade any of the players suggested in the delisting thread for draft picks if possible (though by all accounts the draft isn't one of the best), and get another decent or up and coming quick/good user midfielder in the preseason draft. I just hope we take the best "footballers" possible in this years draft.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

As for the Staker for Hay trade, WCE really do need a FB, Glass wouldnt get a game at most other clubs he is 3rd rate, while granted Hay isnt at his best at the moment he is still young and experienced and worth a fair bit. WCE would be more than interested in trading for him, they are a FB short of possibly being a great side, noting they are already fantastic but may lack a FB to complete them.

The cobbler should not go beyond the sandal.

In other words, don't express an opinion about things you know nothing about.

Glass is just fine thanks. Replacing him with an injury-prone hasbeen like Hay would be a step in the wrong direction. No doubt.

What we really need is a genuine CHB. If we went after Hay, that's where we'd want him to play. Hunter has been playing well at CHB this year, but, at 190cm, is probably too short to take the gorillas like Jon Brown.

Ask any WC supporter what our trading priority needs to be, and they will tell you we need a genuine tall to play CHB. We're not looking to replace Glass. Period.

Why would we trade a young, mobile, versatile KPP, for an injury-prone player who is 6 years older, and can only play one position? It makes no sense. WC don't get shafted like that. Maybe you'd be better off trading with Fremantle.

What you might get from WC is a young midfielder in a straight swap: Nicoski, Butler, Selwood or McConnell. That's all.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

I'd like to see us go after a backup ruckman so Spider can play forward. Hille or Brogan for our second/third round pick in a possibily weak draft.

Hille and Brogan will be 1st ruck at their clubs by season's end.

A 2nd round pick won't cut it.

Sorry to naysay your suggestions, but you guys need to be more realistic.

Essendon and Port will be thinking, "who the hell will play ruck if Hille/Brogan move on?" Think about it. If you only had one decent ruckman, would you trade him for a 2nd/3rd round pick?

 

[tige19]

Hille and Brogan will be 1st ruck at their clubs by season's end.

A 2nd round pick won't cut it.

Stop to naysay your suggestions, but you guys need to be more realistic.

Essendon and Port will be thinking, "who the hell will play ruck if Hille/Brogan move on?" Think about it. If you only had one decent ruckman, would you trade him for a 2nd/3rd round pick?

Mate honestly your credibility is going straight out of the window, this post does nothing but make you look like a complete fool.

For starters our 2nd round pick will be pick 18 as good as a first round selection, any pick in the top 20 is worth a hell of alot and to suggest that pick 18 for Brogan or Hille who have both done very little and are mid 20s isnt worthy is ridiculos, if anything it is paying over the odds for the both of them.

And secondly who you say that both clubs would be thinkong who the hell is gonna ruck if either Brogan or Hille go well thats simple, both teams have alot of depth in the ruck, if you had any idea about what your saying you would have done a little resarch or have some common knowledge about the depth of both sides.

Port Adelaide minus Brogan would still have the following:

Primus 198cm 106kg
Lade 198cm 99kg
Willits 197cm 100kg
Deluca 203cm 97kg
Chaplin 196cm 90kg

Essendon minus Hille would still have the following:

Allan 199cm 104kg
Cartledge 100cm 95kg
Laycock 200cm 100kg
Lee 196cm 90kg
Hennaman 195cm 99kg
Bradley 196cm 98kg

Now noting that all these players arent first choice ruckman but they have all played the position and are most certantly capable. To suggest if Port or Essendon would be lost with either of the 2 gone is pathetic.

Hawthorns 2nd rounder for either Hille or Brogan is more than enough.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

And why would they bewilling to give up a young "star in the making" for a FB in which they already have (whisper)His name is Glass(whisper)

P.S Even though its hypothetical you still have to be realistic

If Glass is going to be a star he'd better improve in a hurry, he'll be 25 next season. Hay is less than 2 years older with a lot more experience under his belt.

 

[cs61]

Hille and Brogan will be 1st ruck at their clubs by season's end.

A 2nd round pick won't cut it.

Stop to naysay your suggestions, but you guys need to be more realistic.

Essendon and Port will be thinking, "who the hell will play ruck if Hille/Brogan move on?" Think about it. If you only had one decent ruckman, would you trade him for a 2nd/3rd round pick?

realistic? 2nd round pick for an out of contract Brogan who isn't getting a game at Port is very realistic when we will have pick 2 or even 1 in the PSD.

He isn't worth a first round pick.

Its just examples of what I would want us to go after. A ruckman with a second round pick, those would be two we would want. And if they are out of contract and we throw a little money at them, why wouldn't it be realistic? The bargaining power is taken away from clubs when players are out of contract and a team has high PSD picks.

 

[Binxy]

If you only had one decent ruckman, would you trade him for a 2nd/3rd round pick?

Is that a dare?

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Mate honestly your credibility is going straight out of the window, this post does nothing but make you look like a complete fool.

For starters our 2nd round pick will be pick 18 as good as a first round selection, any pick in the top 20 is worth a hell of alot and to suggest that pick 18 for Brogan or Hille who have both done very little and are mid 20s isnt worthy is ridiculos, if anything it is paying over the odds for the both of them.

And secondly who you say that both clubs would be thinkong who the hell is gonna ruck if either Brogan or Hille go well thats simple, both teams have alot of depth in the ruck, if you had any idea about what your saying you would have done a little resarch or have some common knowledge about the depth of both sides.

Port Adelaide minus Brogan would still have the following:

Primus 198cm 106kg
Lade 198cm 99kg
Willits 197cm 100kg
Deluca 203cm 97kg
Chaplin 196cm 90kg

Essendon minus Hille would still have the following:

Allan 199cm 104kg
Cartledge 100cm 95kg
Laycock 200cm 100kg
Lee 196cm 90kg
Hennaman 195cm 99kg
Bradley 196cm 98kg

Now noting that all these players arent first choice ruckman but they have all played the position and are most certantly capable. To suggest if Port or Essendon would be lost with either of the 2 gone is pathetic.

Hawthorns 2nd rounder for either Hille or Brogan is more than enough.

Firstly, I'd like to congratulate Tristan Cartledge on being the first dwarf to hold down a spot in the ruck?

But seriously, I think by listing those players you've actually strengthened my point.

By season's end, Primus, Lade and Allan will all be 29+. Allan will probably be retired.

Who are Willits, DeLuca and Chapman? Brogan will be Port's 1st ruck next year. Primus and Lade will be used as pinch-hitters in between spells in the FP.

And Essendon's ruck stocks! Come on! It's clear David Hille is a required player. Look at the guys in that list.

Kepler Bradley is being groomed as a career CHB, so let's strike him from that list. Matty Allan is on his last legs. Aaron Henneman is not going to be their first ruck ever. Lee and Cartledge might have potential, but losing David Hille would be a body blow.

I reckon Essendon are planning on having Hille and Laycock operate in tandem for the next 3-4 years, with one rucking, and one in a FP as both can take a grab.

You're pretty keen to get stuck into me about "credibility", but have a look at those lists you posted. Hille and Brogan are pretty important to Essendon and Port, as neither side has a lot of depth in terms of young ruckmen.

 

[Grendel]

Most sides want 'depth'. Be it ruck, chb's of even f/b's.

I.e trade weight is valued on what the market demands. Less k/p and ruck stock, they go for higher (B.Holland, Ottens, Rawlings, Thomspon) than on-ballers. It's a fact.

IF Hay were to go, he'd go at something probably 'over the odds'.

That's IF he were to go.

 

[andrew coombs]

Would absolutely kill for a key defender capable of keeping his head and hitting targets on the rebound. As they dont fall off trees expect Hay, Jacobs, Smith and Croad ( who at least gives his all ) to continue on. Lonie should stay as should Ossie and Campbell Brown but all other backman are readily available. Bateman, Mitchell, Hodge, Crawf and perhaps Sewell have a future but I like the idea of arranging a swap for Ladson who will never win us a big game. Ries, Ball and Kane are not up to it. Everitt will need to soldier on with little back up but hopefully Taylor can come up. Campbell is a liability and should be shown the door. Up forward Holland and Dixon have run their race and Barker is probably with them. With expected improvement in some of the new boys there wont be a spot anyway. Vandenberg has been unfortunately signed on for another two years and as such, frustratingly,will be retained. He should lose the captaincy as his ownership of this once coveted position would be laughable were it not so serious for we Hawk fans. I may stomach Clarke again but Greene has no place on an AFL ground. All the young blokes from this season including Brennan and Boyle should be kept. Hope Lekkas goes around again.

 

[big buddy38]

I'd think seriously about a Hay-Selwood swap. Both Selwoods look like players to me, and there's another on the way.
Kosi is the goods but I don't think he'll leave the Saints. I'm not so sold on Staker as a priority - looks a smart, mobile utility player but we most need a big, strong forward target.

 

[ELfooty]

I'm worried we are going to trade osborne, who I think will be a good player in time, should try to keep him IMO.

i am also worried about that i like osborne but he would be pretty good trade bait and i get the feeling we will be looking at trading him

 

[CyberKev]

I'm worried we are going to trade osborne, who I think will be a good player in time, should try to keep him IMO.

Don't trade players like Osborne for second round picks please....... late picks are overated, especially for up and coming players.

I think you put way too much stock in Osborne.

His skills are no better than average and his discipline is appalling.

On the plus side, he does involve himself heavily in contests, but he is nothing special and that he is rated by so many Hawk fans probably says more about our current list woes than anything else.

That being said, I wouldn't be trading him for a speculative pick either.

If we could somehow work a decent trade involving Osborne & Hay for a viable key defensive option then I'd do it, but I can't see it coming off.