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WRFL Div 3 Discussion 2023

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Squeeky Clean said:
Hearing westbourne are just about gone.
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Yeah, see a few have put in clearances to PC Centrals. I think Roger Hand ex coach is there now. Most of the clearances have been denied at this stage. Big jump from VAFA D3 (technically Div 6) to WRFL Div 1
 

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Madawhohar said:
Thanks Squeak , finally some acknowledgment for my perceived insanity which is actually’genius’ !!!!
Indeed you raise a brilliant comparison….
Clubs ( incl a club I was involved at ) will pay players $400 + per game- and even in Div 3 ffs !
But paying umps similar is absurd ???
I propose that the seeing as the league likes to run itself as its own entity, then surely the umps are ‘its’ players and it must recruit them by paying the going rate ….
And to win the umpiring premiership , just like the players premiership, you must spend the most $ $ $ $ $ $……

Ps - I have requested information re application process for the vacant CEO role , and no response yet , nothing… pffftt….!
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Australia wide 6000 umpires short.

Wrfl down from 300 to approximately 150 umpires.

Outside of the AFL system there was always going to be a significant issue with the rapid growth of Womens football. There was no growth in umpire numbers.

You can throw whatever amount of money you think and the issue will not be alleviated. And for every club that can afford the additional costs there will be many that cannot.

I suppose the other way is to just get rid of more teams so there are less games to umpire?????

What is being thrown at clubs is actually out of their control. The AFL as the overall governing body needs to be more proactive or within 5 years most games outside of seniors will have clubbies umpiring

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lachy said:
Australia wide 6000 umpires short.

Wrfl down from 300 to approximately 150 umpires.

Outside of the AFL system there was always going to be a significant issue with the rapid growth of Womens football. There was no growth in umpire numbers.

You can throw whatever amount of money you think and the issue will not be alleviated. And for every club that can afford the additional costs there will be many that cannot.
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lachy said:
I suppose the other way is to just get rid of more teams so there are less games to umpire?????


What is being thrown at clubs is actually out of their control. The AFL as the overall governing body needs to be more proactive or within 5 years most games outside of seniors will have clubbies umpiring

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Perhaps more games under lights on Thursdays and Fridays and even Saturday evenings could not only encourage more local support, but umpires would be able to officiate in more than one weekend game.

Last season, speaking with a VAFA umpire, officiating at an early VAFA Senior Thirds game at Lofts Reserve, CYs against Kew, said that later that day was off to Preston for another game, could have been a girls'.

He also had an U19 game the next day (I can't remember who or where), a Sunday when the two clubs had agreed to play.

If one's sport is umpiring, and one is a practical umpire, one will reap the financial benefits, however, the League will need to allow clubs to play games alternate to Saturdays, and both clubs must agree as they do in other competitions.
 
lachy said:
Australia wide 6000 umpires short.

Wrfl down from 300 to approximately 150 umpires.

Outside of the AFL system there was always going to be a significant issue with the rapid growth of Womens football. There was no growth in umpire numbers.

You can throw whatever amount of money you think and the issue will not be alleviated. And for every club that can afford the additional costs there will be many that cannot.

I suppose the other way is to just get rid of more teams so there are less games to umpire?????

What is being thrown at clubs is actually out of their control. The AFL as the overall governing body needs to be more proactive or within 5 years most games outside of seniors will have clubbies umpiring

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Imo, it is the duty of the governing body to provide the basics to actually run a game for the clubs signed up to that league. Umpires are absolutely crucial. The extra cost I’m proposing cannot be covered by the struggling clubs so must be covered by the league. Therefore they must get off their backsides and find the revenue / Sponsors to pay more for more umpires. Club officials (unpaid btw!!) have to find extra revenue / sponsors etc to cover increases in costs …
Economics would say , more money will bring more umpires.
A league official denying that would be just protecting their bottom line for the end of the financial year…
 
Madawhohar said:
Imo, it is the duty of the governing body to provide the basics to actually run a game for the clubs signed up to that league. Umpires are absolutely crucial. The extra cost I’m proposing cannot be covered by the struggling clubs so must be covered by the league. Therefore they must get off their backsides and find the revenue / Sponsors to pay more for more umpires. Club officials (unpaid btw!!) have to find extra revenue / sponsors etc to cover increases in costs …
Economics would say , more money will bring more umpires.
A league official denying that would be just protecting their bottom line for the end of the financial year…
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Problem is the leagues will pass the costs on directly to the clubs. A lot of leagues in Victoria are hamstrung by AFL Victoria.

In Fact a lot of states are hamstrung by the over arching custodian, the AFL. They either invest more resources in leagues below the state leagues and top level junior pathways, or there will be a continued shrinking of particularly the Male suburban and country programs. It has been happening for 20 years nd the tipping point has already passed
 
lachy said:
Problem is the leagues will pass the costs on directly to the clubs. A lot of leagues in Victoria are hamstrung by AFL Victoria.

In Fact a lot of states are hamstrung by the over arching custodian, the AFL. They either invest more resources in leagues below the state leagues and top level junior pathways, or there will be a continued shrinking of particularly the Male suburban and country programs. It has been happening for 20 years nd the tipping point has already passed
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What do you mean by hamstrung by AFL vic ? In what way ?
Is it not each league’s decision to invest their available funds into whatever they choose?
The WRFL’s yearly reports are readily available and make for interesting reading - and somewhat eyebrow raising!!!…
The fact that it’s the greatest game on the planet is the only reason it is still going , despite the inept management at many levels for the last 20 years .
 
lachy said:
Problem is the leagues will pass the costs on directly to the clubs. A lot of leagues in Victoria are hamstrung by AFL Victoria.

In Fact a lot of states are hamstrung by the over arching custodian, the AFL. They either invest more resources in leagues below the state leagues and top level junior pathways, or there will be a continued shrinking of particularly the Male suburban and country programs. It has been happening for 20 years nd the tipping point has already passed
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I 100% agree about the tipping point.

We will see the Golden Rivers league fold at the end of this season and the Upper Murray, despite hanging on grimly for the past five years, will probably join them six feet under. There are another two leagues which are close to the edge now. AFLV won't be overly worried as that will mean there are less leagues to worry about, support or fund.

Then there are the clubs to consider. At least six into recess this summer and most won't come back. Next year there will be at least 15-20 in the same boat and they too will have a grim prognosis.

'Merger' will be the buzz word in grassroots football circles statewide this year, in terms of both clubs and leagues.

Grassroots football will never get back to what it was pre-Covid.
 

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Madawhohar said:
What do you mean by hamstrung by AFL vic ? In what way ?
Is it not each league’s decision to invest their available funds into whatever they choose?
The WRFL’s yearly reports are readily available and make for interesting reading - and somewhat eyebrow raising!!!…
The fact that it’s the greatest game on the planet is the only reason it is still going , despite the inept management at many levels for the last 20 years .
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Who do you thinks actually controls football in Victoria????

AFL Victoria's role is to oversee, support and guide football bodies across the state and continue to develop and enhance Australian football in Victoria. It is literary their job
 
But they haven't been doing it very well.

There is almost no guidance to the clubs and leagues, especially in the country where a number of clubs and leagues are in dire straits. There is very little in the way of strategic planning being done by regional hubs or leagues.

Not one meeting has been called and facilitated by an AFLV representative where clubs in leagues, regions or districts have gotten together to put together a vision moving forwards.

The 'Corowa cluster' is the most glaring example of where AFLV should have gotten the clubs together and discussed what can be done to improve football in the area. They don't need to force things on the clubs like mergers or folding clubs - they just need to offer guidance on what support can be provided to clubs that decide to merge so that a newly merged club can be the best it can when it begins. If the clubs ignore the advice and things go pear-shaped, then AFLV cannot be blamed for inactivity.

AFLV seem to be admitting defeat in the way they are running grassroots football, especially in the bush, cutting down their regional hubs to just five by late last year and they are expected to announce the closure of the rest by mid-season in order to save on costs.

The affiliation agreement between AFLV and the leagues is only for one year this time around (ending October? this year) which would give you an indication that they are set to pull out and hand back power to the leagues and go back to the VMFL and VCFL style of management.
 
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MortlockWatcher said:
But they haven't been doing it very well.

There is almost no guidance to the clubs and leagues, especially in the country where a number of clubs and leagues are in dire straits. There is very little in the way of strategic planning being done by regional hubs or leagues.

Not one meeting has been called and facilitated by an AFLV representative where clubs in leagues, regions or districts have gotten together to put together a vision moving forwards.

The 'Corowa cluster' is the most glaring example of where AFLV should have gotten the clubs together and discussed what can be done to improve football in the area. They don't need to force things on the clubs like mergers or folding clubs - they just need to offer guidance on what support can be provided to clubs that decide to merge so that a newly merged club can be the best it can when it begins. If the clubs ignore the advice and things go pear-shaped, then AFLV cannot be blamed for inactivity.

AFLV seem to be admitting defeat in the way they are running grassroots football, especially in the bush, cutting down their regional hubs to just five by late last year and they are expected to announce the closure of the rest by mid-season in order to save on costs.

The affiliation agreement between AFLV and the leagues is only for one year this time around (ending October this year) which would give you an indication that they are set to pull out and hand back power to the leagues and go back to the VMFL and VCFL style of management.
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Never truer words spoken

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lachy said:
Who do you thinks actually controls football in Victoria????

AFL Victoria's role is to oversee, support and guide football bodies across the state and continue to develop and enhance Australian football in Victoria. It is literary their job
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Yes I do understand AflVics role but I’m referring to any leagues ability to pay umpires more - if they want to…
AflVic would not stop them ….
There is no one in charge of the WRFL atm, (and btw I have still not received any reply to my email requesting info on the CEO application process..) but the new Honcho will hopefully see that priority one is umpires, but if he/she waits for any actual help from AflVic they’ll be very very disappointed.
He/she needs the goolies to do something different like pay umpires a lot lot more in order to get numbers up and all the other benefits I’ve already mentioned that will flow….
 
thebiglurk2016 said:
Enough of this umpire jibba jabba.

How are teams shaping up and what’s the thoughts on a ladder prediction

Suns
Heights
Roosters
Cobras

The rest doesn’t matter
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Heights look like they have picked up some real quiet.. maybe Suns will be bridesmaids once again..
 
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MortlockWatcher said:
But they haven't been doing it very well.

There is almost no guidance to the clubs and leagues, especially in the country where a number of clubs and leagues are in dire straits. There is very little in the way of strategic planning being done by regional hubs or leagues.

Not one meeting has been called and facilitated by an AFLV representative where clubs in leagues, regions or districts have gotten together to put together a vision moving forwards.

The 'Corowa cluster' is the most glaring example of where AFLV should have gotten the clubs together and discussed what can be done to improve football in the area. They don't need to force things on the clubs like mergers or folding clubs - they just need to offer guidance on what support can be provided to clubs that decide to merge so that a newly merged club can be the best it can when it begins. If the clubs ignore the advice and things go pear-shaped, then AFLV cannot be blamed for inactivity.

AFLV seem to be admitting defeat in the way they are running grassroots football, especially in the bush, cutting down their regional hubs to just five by late last year and they are expected to announce the closure of the rest by mid-season in order to save on costs.

The affiliation agreement between AFLV and the leagues is only for one year this time around (ending October? this year) which would give you an indication that they are set to pull out and hand back power to the leagues and go back to the VMFL and VCFL style of management.
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You’re over thinking this.
 
Be nice to see Heights hit back after losing 3/4 of their senior playing group last year.

Suns win it though. They probably belong most in Div 2 out of all the teams.

Cobras who knows.
 

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