Society/Culture WW3: Would you enlist to fight for Australia?

[kranky al]

Actually, I think your whole argument is based from your own dislike, for the USA.

that’s it in a nutshell.

Its a hate (not unwarranted mind you, the us has and continues to do shitty things)

But the blindness that cant see that China plans on being the new sherriff, and their government have less scruples than the US.

If you asked me 15 years ago if i was bothered that china was going to take over as the dominant power i wouldnt have been as bothered. They fact that we have a leader whos removed all the checks and balances the chinese put in place stopping another mao and the absolute belligerence the chinese government is showing….

Have a look at how the yanks treated libya, iran, iraq, syria etc.

That’s us. We are the new pissweak country that cant fight back

 

[Foggy Dark City]

That’s us. We are the new pissweak country that cant fight back

I wouldn’t be so sure about that. We had a chocolate army that didn’t melt when the Japanese applied some heat in WW2 and not much kit and weapons to back it up. We faired well.

 

[SugarHealey]

that’s it in a nutshell.

Its a hate (not unwarranted mind you, the us has and continues to do shitty things)

But the blindness that cant see that China plans on being the new sherriff, and their government have less scruples than the US.

If you asked me 15 years ago if i was bothered that china was going to take over as the dominant power i wouldnt have been as bothered. They fact that we have a leader whos removed all the checks and balances the chinese put in place stopping another mao and the absolute belligerence the chinese government is showing….

Have a look at how the yanks treated libya, iran, iraq, syria etc.

That’s us. We are the new pissweak country that cant fight back

Yep. Its not the Chinese perse.

But it is all about the current Chinese autocracy. This is the problem, and the issue for the Chinese people.

 

[kranky al]

Yep. Its not the Chinese perse.

But it is all about the current Chinese autocracy. This is the problem, and the issue for the Chinese people.

My hope is that hes toppled. China was getting less authoritarian by the year before he took over. I dont think they will ever be a western democracy but neither is singapore.

 

[schneebly111]

Yep. Its not the Chinese perse.

But it is all about the current Chinese autocracy. This is the problem, and the issue for the Chinese people.

Why do you think the Chinese are unhappy with their government?

Thanks to family and friends, Chinese are the happiest people on Earth: survey

Ipsos says 91 per cent of Chinese report feeling happy generally, although less satisfied with their country’s political, social and economic situation.

www.scmp.com

Trust in China

Fraught U.S.-China relations will continue entering 2022. This year, leaders of both countries will be focused on domestic politics, the ongoing pandemic and uneven economic recoveries — challenges that have further added to existing bilateral tensions.

www.edelman.com

Before the "CCP Propaganda!" comments, those studies are from a French and an American company.....

 

[kranky al]

Why do you think the Chinese are unhappy with their government?

Thanks to family and friends, Chinese are the happiest people on Earth: survey

Ipsos says 91 per cent of Chinese report feeling happy generally, although less satisfied with their country’s political, social and economic situation.

www.scmp.com

Trust in China

Fraught U.S.-China relations will continue entering 2022. This year, leaders of both countries will be focused on domestic politics, the ongoing pandemic and uneven economic recoveries — challenges that have further added to existing bilateral tensions.

www.edelman.com

Before the "CCP Propaganda!" comments, those studies are from a French and an American company.....

Yeah well we elected scomo.

At that time he was considered ok. If Jintao does try to take Taiwan by force and China is frozen out of the international community like Russia be interesting to see how popular he remains.

 

[SugarHealey]

Why do you think the Chinese are unhappy with their government?

Thanks to family and friends, Chinese are the happiest people on Earth: survey

Ipsos says 91 per cent of Chinese report feeling happy generally, although less satisfied with their country’s political, social and economic situation.

www.scmp.com

Trust in China

Fraught U.S.-China relations will continue entering 2022. This year, leaders of both countries will be focused on domestic politics, the ongoing pandemic and uneven economic recoveries — challenges that have further added to existing bilateral tensions.

www.edelman.com

Before the "CCP Propaganda!" comments, those studies are from a French and an American company.....

Umm... Hong Kong.?
The fact that the government welds peoples doors shut, to lock them in, when Covid is around.

The fact that Chinese people are not free to express themselves, in an open and honest manner for fear of being arrested and disappearing.

That they would not get a honest hearing, in a system if or when they might be charged for breaking a Law. Closed shop laws and judicial systems, designed to keep the people locked within the system.

 

[SugarHealey]

My hope is that hes toppled. China was getting less authoritarian by the year before he took over. I dont think they will ever be a western democracy but neither is singapore.

I believe pretty much, in prophecy... And it has led me to believe that we are heading towards a less politically organised era.
And so I think political systems such as the autocratic ones of the right, left, and of the dictatorial, is nearing the end.

A time when people are less divided and more cohesive, less competitive and more collaborative.

Maybe, the time of Aquarius.

 

[schneebly111]

Umm... Hong Kong.?
The fact that the government welds peoples doors shut, to lock them in, when Covid is around.

The governments in Australia that use police to enforce strict COVID lockdowns were all re-elected comfortably.

The fact that Chinese people are not free to express themselves, in an open and honest manner for fear of being arrested and disappearing.

Those polls were conducted by Western companies. You think they’d publish them if they were concerned with the honesty of the answers?

 

[SugarHealey]

The governments in Australia that use police to enforce strict COVID lockdowns were all re-elected comfortably.

WOW you really are a payed up member of the PRC. to hold the party line in the face of free thinking peoples of the world.

Re Australia, people were still allowed out into the street, or to go shopping.

And were trusted to self isolate IF they felt symptoms of flu.

 

[schneebly111]

WOW you really are a payed up member of the PRC. to hold the party line in the face of free thinking peoples of the world.

Ahhhh the old “you’re a CCP shill” line. Come up with something original.

Back to the question - would you enlist to fight for Australia? No. I’d have more in common with those I would be fighting against than those I’m fighting under.

I’ll quote the late, great Muhammad Ali:

“My conscience won’t let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America,” he had explained two years earlier. “And shoot them for what? They never called me n****r, they never lynched me, they didn’t put no dogs on me, they didn’t rob me of my nationality, rape and kill my mother and father. … Shoot them for what? How can I shoot them poor people?”

 

[kranky al]

Ahhhh the old “you’re a CCP shill” line. Come up with something original.

Back to the question - would you enlist to fight for Australia? No. I’d have more in common with those I would be fighting against than those I’m fighting under.

I’ll quote the late, great Muhammad Ali:

“My conscience won’t let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America,” he had explained two years earlier. “And shoot them for what? They never called me n****r, they never lynched me, they didn’t put no dogs on me, they didn’t rob me of my nationality, rape and kill my mother and father. … Shoot them for what? How can I shoot them poor people?”

So china invades taiwan and you feel like you would have more in common with the chinese government.

Interesting flex.


But yeah defo not a shill

 

[peetoo]

I’m too old now but as a merchant seaman it would have been easy to apply to support the falklands effort back when

As you could imagine it was the last thing I would have done. They returned triumphant to pink slips anyway

 

[schneebly111]

So china invades taiwan and you feel like you would have more in common with the chinese government.

Interesting flex.
But yeah defo not a shill

Total misrepresentation of what I said, and if you knew what you were talking about the Muhammad Ali quote should’ve given you a hint.

I’d have more in common with the Chinese soldiers on the ground than my own government and politicians, just like how the Chinese soldiers would have more in common with me than their own government.

 

[kranky al]

Total misrepresentation of what I said, and if you knew what you were talking about the Muhammad Ali quote should’ve given you a hint.

I’d have more in common with the Chinese soldiers on the ground than my own government and politicians, just like how the Chinese soldiers would have more in common with me than their own government.

Well being that the most likely cause of a war between us and China is them invading taiwan…

 

[Engimal v3]

**** no lol

 

[peetoo]

On a slightly different angle, would we lock up Chinese Australians? More likely than conscription

I’d say, after the pandemic, that it’s 50 50 with our governments

 

[SugarHealey]

Ahhhh the old “you’re a CCP shill” line. Come up with something original.

Original... why does something have to be original.
Maybe because many think the same way, doesn't suggest plagiarism.

Back to the question - would you enlist to fight for Australia? No. I’d have more in common with those I would be fighting against than those I’m fighting under.

Yes, if I were a younger man, and Australia was attacked, like in WW2.
IN fact, if Japan were to be attacking all along the coastal boundaries of the Far-East and into the Southeast Asian nations now, then yes I would enlist.

Even if the same was said about China doing this now, I would.

You see, the fight is about preserving the customary freedoms we enjoy, and so many want to come here to live, because of these freedoms.

I’ll quote the late, great Muhammad Ali:

“My conscience won’t let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America,” he had explained two years earlier. “And shoot them for what? They never called me n****r, they never lynched me, they didn’t put no dogs on me, they didn’t rob me of my nationality, rape and kill my mother and father. … Shoot them for what? How can I shoot them poor people?”

Wow... talking about selective quotes taken totally out of context.

Muhammad was talking about the Vietnam War, in which the Chinese side was attacking the South; French controlled part of Vietnam.

The US was not attacked, and this is what Muhammad Ali was talking about. He was a true Conscientious objector.

But I suggest to you, that IF mainland United States was being attacked, Mohammad Ali would have certainly defended his country of birth. IMO.

China with its aggressive posturing and childish attacks on Australia's trade with it; shows how it sees the world, and how it wields its power in a forceful & belligerent way.

 

[Bevoman]

Well being that the most likely cause of a war between us and China is them invading taiwan…

No way should we go to war over Taiwan, left over from their Civil war (in WWII); it, Fromosa, has been part of mainland China for thousands of years

 

[peetoo]

Anyway volunteering to protect Taiwan is not protecting any aspect of australia, much as volunteering to protect falklands was protecting any aspect of Britain, except the sorr arses of the thatcher govt who sold out the country anyway

 

[kranky al]

Anyway volunteering to protect Taiwan is not protecting any aspect of australia, much as volunteering to protect falklands was protecting any aspect of Britain, except the sorr arses of the thatcher govt who sold out the country anyway

I would suggest that the referendum held on the falklands islands where 99.8% of the population voted to remain a British territory would gainsay you.

The British had a decent excuse that Maggie of course made the absolute most of.

Us on the other hand in Taiwan is much much more of a stretch.

 

[peetoo]

I would suggest that the referendum held on the falklands islands where 99.8% of the population voted to remain a British territory would gainsay you.

The British had a decent excuse that Maggie of course made the absolute most of.

Us on the other hand in Taiwan is much much more of a stretch.

It’s one of my favourite go tos describing the futility of war. I get that those who served are invested, but it really was a thatcher-galtieri shit show.
It was my first personal experience up close how rabble rousing to fight over something which could easily hav e been resolved worked. I thought people were more intelligent
And of course the govt vetoed injured service men from some victory functions.

Wouold Hong Kong residents have voted to stay British btw?

I suppose you can guess my answer to the thread title

 

[kranky al]

It’s one of my favourite go tos describing the futility of war. I get that those who served are invested, but it really was a thatcher-galtieri s**t show.
It was my first personal experience up close how rabble rousing to fight over something which could easily hav e been resolved worked. I thought people were more intelligent
And of course the govt vetoed injured service men from some victory functions.

Wouold Hong Kong residents have voted to stay British btw?

I suppose you can guess my answer to the thread title

I have little doubt hong kongers would still vote to go back to Britain.


I know they didnt want to leave in the first place and their fears were well and truly realised.

 

[peetoo]

I have little doubt hong kongers would still vote to go back to Britain.


I know they didnt want to leave in the first place and their fears were well and truly realised.

And there are way more people of British decent in Argentina than falklands.

But none of there points belay that it was a stupid war, all are but this was one of the worst

 

[kranky al]

We align with ASEAN - our immediate neighbours and a sign of the new "Eurasian", not Caucasian classification of the nation.

Of course it sounds far fetched. You've been told your entire life there are only 2 nations Australia should follow. UK and USA. The UK is now an irrelevant basketcase, and the United States hardly qualifies as a first world democracy anymore.

Ok, so i choose to align us with japan, taiwan, vietnam, south korea, singapore, phillipines, india.

Ooh look theres 6 of these countries have either had china invade them or just taken disputed land off them and start building on it.

Quick schneebly start handwaving it away, china wants nothing but peace, theyve built the biggest navy in the world for peace, they build more ships than the australian navy every year for peace, theyve undergone the biggest peacetime military buildup in history for peace.