Society/Culture WW3: Would you enlist to fight for Australia?

Would you answer the call?


  • Total voters
    69

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Dulce et Decorum est (1917)

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in.
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori
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Infantry would be almost redundant in the next world war, why would we need mass enlistment ?
I think the premise of the OP is to drag us back to a time when it was seen as "your duty" to walk into a machine gun to prove your devotion to the Nation, whatever that actually is.
When the enemy were clearly identified by posters at corner stores and the issues were kept from the foot soldiers so as not to befuddle them.
 

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I have a fantastic book of war poetry at home. Most of the poems are Sassoon or Owen.

Reading this along with All Quiet on the Western Front as a young teenager is enough to point out the futility of war.

My dad did his military service in 56 in the UK and had to go to the Suez Canal crisis. It was over before he got there, but he has told me that most people on the ship on the way over did not want to fight people who were just sticking up for themselves against a colonial power.

But Checkers and KC. Feel free to "it is sweet and right to die for your country"
 
What about this work of high art?

The jeering, gloating ring of youths
Closed in around a solitary boy,
Teasing and taunting him
Because he was black

The boy staggered from a blow,
The yells grew louder,
Humiliating and bewildering the boy

The colour of his skin was a cause
For ridicule

I wanted to help him
But fear sealed my mouth,
Held me back.

And soon I was yelling with the rest.
 
What about this work of high art?

The jeering, gloating ring of youths
Closed in around a solitary boy,
Teasing and taunting him
Because he was black

The boy staggered from a blow,
The yells grew louder,
Humiliating and bewildering the boy

The colour of his skin was a cause
For ridicule

I wanted to help him
But fear sealed my mouth,
Held me back.

And soon I was yelling with the rest.

Horrible.
 
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori

It is interesting that nearly half of the respondents have agreed that they would go to war despite not yet knowing who it is we will be fighting and why.

No wonder there are so many wars. Half the people don't even need to know who it's against and they're in.
 

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Andrew Bolt wrote it.

Clearly Andrew Bolt would not have wanted to help.
He would have been front of the line to hit and hurt a black boy !
The premise is interesting that mob mentality takes over. But for the king of mob mentality fan bois, it doesn'y make sense.
 
Any true patriot would. After all this country gives to us it's only right. I would also bring back conscription for those who are unemployed and are under the age of 21. National service would be a sensational thing to develop a young man's confidence and would really make him a contributer to the nation. The problem this generation faces is thinking that "negotioating" with our enemies will solve everything - it dosen't.

I personally believe the most likely drive behind WW3 will be Arabic Islamists vs the western civilised world. Islam is trying to take over the world thorugh overpopulation, and when they do outnumber us, they will strike - to have our laws, our customs and our ideals changed to theirs.

I think there would be a lot of younger aussie males for the picking for National service - just scour the suburbs like Narre Warren, Dandenong etc where unemployment rates are high and make them fight for the good of the nation. Of course we don't want worse to come to worst, but they would be otherwise useless (productivity wise)

What if they were gay?
 
It is interesting that nearly half of the respondents have agreed that they would go to war despite not yet knowing who it is we will be fighting and why.

No wonder there are so many wars. Half the people don't even need to know who it's against and they're in.

Bullshit,

Most people are laughing at about two posters making rediculous claims to go to war.

I am proud of the responses in this thread.
 
Bullshit,

Most people are laughing at about two posters making rediculous claims to go to war.

I am proud of the responses in this thread.


He's talking about the current poll results - which are pretty close to 50/50 atm.

I do not agree with forcing people to go to war but I do agree with Kev and Checks' stance that Islam and China are the top 2 threats to a new war.
 
Western aggression will be the most likely cause of a major war.
 
Western aggression will be the most likely cause of a major war.

I'd say that glabalization, and linked economies, human rights that all came from the West after WW2 maybe the reason that their won't be a world war 3 in the future.

A major war would come down to a lack of resources in the future due to humans using all those resources, as well as the implications of using those resources and the affects on the environment.

It really annoys me when people just imply the West would be to balme for violence in the future... It's just so naiive to suggest this.
 
History suggests otherwise, when Western nations feel threatened they go to war.
 
Well you need to read the History books again. For a start read about Human rights that were imposed upon Europe to bring justice to holocaust victims, and denationalizing Europe, the Marshall plan, and in the future the possibility of the EU. I don't think I have seen many wars in Europe because of these reasons since the Second World War. Since than, there have been wars raging all over the wrold, admittedly superpowers supportered and funded these wars, eg the US, but if my guide of history is accurate, Africa has been war ravaged, Asia has had many deadly wars, particuarly the Middle East, Central and South America have had wars.

What were the reasons for these wars? The nation state, limited resources, all the reasons why Europe has not had wars, as through the Marshall plan, and the beginning of human rights, they have been aware of the reasons for war.

So you my friend are very very ignorant and naiive.
 
Well you need to read the History books again. For a start read about Human rights that were imposed upon Europe to bring justice to holocaust victims, and denationalizing Europe, the Marshall plan, and in the future the possibility of the EU. I don't think I have seen many wars in Europe because of these reasons since the Second World War. Since than, there have been wars raging all over the wrold, admittedly superpowers supportered and funded these wars, eg the US, but if my guide of history is accurate, Africa has been war ravaged, Asia has had many deadly wars, particuarly the Middle East, Central and South America have had wars.

What were the reasons for these wars? The nation state, limited resources, all the reasons why Europe has not had wars, as through the Marshall plan, and the beginning of human rights, they have been aware of the reasons for war.

So you my friend are very very ignorant and naiive.

Who will we be fighting??

The Arabs?
Teh Chinese??
The Indos???
the Russians?
The Latinos??
All of them at the same time???

We will be on the americans side right?????
They saved us in ww2....

Bring it on!!!!
 
I actually wouldn't know. Not the Russians, I think once they get their shit together, they will go through an era of prosperity, they have an abundance of resources, and will be one of the few nations to prosper from climate change.

It won't be the Latino's, there's absolutely no reason why that would be so. You left out a future superpower, the Indians, although there is great potential with a great relationship given the British influence in both countries, as English is widely spoken, and both play cricket that brings us together and trust each other more.

Islamic terrorism is not such a big problem now, certainly not in our region, if you remember, a tsunami came along in 2004, and Australia donated heaps of aid, even Howard used it as an opportunity to improve relations at this time after years of neglect. Also, the Islam that is practiced in Indonesia is different to that in the Middle East, and just like us, the Indo's are far more interested in the education system, health, finance than say, imposing Islam on the State.

Tha Arabs? I am not so sure. Will religion be such a priority for these peoples in the age of science and globalization? Will they feel so victimized in the future to the West, whence the Yanks rightfully pull their troops out of the region once everyone starts using alternatives to oil which is screwing the climate.

What will the Chinese do in the next 10-20 years, I think this is the only possibility in the future for a world war. What happens if relations with Japan, Korea (North and South) Taiwan, or even India, worsen to the point of military build up, what if the Yanks stick their noses in or a resurgent Russia, and than we have to make a choice?

What about if their are climate wars in the future... The world falls in to poverty, accept for large countries with small populations such as Australia, resulting in countries from the north invading the country, maybe a mass migration of starving refugees, as our finite resources on planet earth come to reality, whilst the globe warms causing mass famine and drought, and mass cyclones wiping out crops. The human race is ****ed that we do know, it's just a matter of time whence civilazation starts falling apart, and climate change starts taking brutal affect.

The 21st century will be very interesting...
 

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