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localfootyguru said:
Interesting to hear the current struggle of Yea and their lack of numbers. Considering ther poor performance and struggles last year I guess they were starting off at a poor base - hopefully things will improve.

Have heard really good things about both Yarra Glen and Kinglake with things looking good for both. I think the Glen may be there abouts this season.

In 1st Division news standby for a number of quality recruits to pop up in the clearances soon, especially at Wandin and Mount Evelyn.
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They're gonna need a few, Top 5 of last seasons B&F all gone. Word is morale is pretty low, disappointing for the new coach.
 
Valley Spy said:
They're gonna need a few, Top 5 of last seasons B&F all gone. Word is morale is pretty low, disappointing for the new coach.
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Mt Evelyn has Buckland back from Croydon, Boyd(Pumpkin Head - have a look at it) back from Donvale and a few locals back from Chirnside and Colstream I believe. Who else you heard for either Mts or Dogs?
 
ok ill have a stab at were i think the div 2 ladder will finish next year

thornton
alexandra
yarra glen
belgrave
kinglake
yarra junction
yea
emerald
seville
powell town
 

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have heard from someone at the club that emerald may not field a 2's side this year. a bit of conflict with the coach and unwillingness to travel up to our area has put a lot of them off this year. Not coming through on the clearances yet but a few have gone to gembrook and a couple not playing at all.

I think drago has the bottom four and top 3 right but dunno about the rest. a bit of an unknown. i think that powelly, seville, emerald and yea will all be about the same and will struggle.

We should stay about the same with loosing phil fisher and gainnig brett andrews, alex have picked up a few and i think yarra glen are doin alright so it will be pretty close at the top too.
 
Div 2

Alex
thornton
yarra glen
yarra junction
kinglake
belgrave
emerald
yea
seville
powelltown

Div 1

silvan
upwey
woori yallock
mt evelyn
monbulk
healsville
wandin
warburton
gembrook
olinda
 
pupsta said:
have heard from someone at the club that emerald may not field a 2's side this year. a bit of conflict with the coach and unwillingness to travel up to our area has put a lot of them off this year. Not coming through on the clearances yet but a few have gone to gembrook and a couple not playing at all.

I think drago has the bottom four and top 3 right but dunno about the rest. a bit of an unknown. i think that powelly, seville, emerald and yea will all be about the same and will struggle.

We should stay about the same with loosing phil fisher and gainnig brett andrews, alex have picked up a few and i think yarra glen are doin alright so it will be pretty close at the top too.
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Not really sure what the problem is with having to travel for an hour or so a maximum of 3 times a year is. For the couple of southern clubs left in Div 2 the only long hauls would be Alex, Thornton and now Yea. Powelly and Kinglake in the scheme of things arent all that far when compared to the travel in other country comps. There are also rumblings from Belgrave about following Souths lead and heading for the EFL.
 
its not that bad 3 times a year your right. i live in berwick and travel up and back thurs night and home games. i know the seville boys usually do and warby the other year, got a bus and some stayed up and went fishing so you can make a weekend of it. i think eventually they will have to change the divisions like some people are saying, to keep everyone happy and maybe lure a couple of other teams in.

could be something like this.

Southern

Thornton
Alex
Yea
Kinglake
Yarra Glen
Healsville
Coldstream
Yarra Junction
Powelltown
Warburton
Woori Yallock

Northern

Belgrave
Sth Belgrave
Emerald
Gembrook
Olinda
Monbulk
Wandin
Seville
Ferntree Gully
Silvan
Mt Evelyn

I think in the long run some teams will have to merge to survive with 3 or 4 div 2 teams strugglin to field 2's or 3rds now its only gonna get harder.

Gembrook/Emerald
Belgrave/Sth Belgrave
Powelly/Junction
and hate to say it Thornton/Alex
 
If the league did look at the North v South option though it would probably spell the end for a couple of struggling Div 2 clubs. Imagine watching Woori/Healesville v Powelly and Silvan v Emerald/Seville.
Things would no doubt take a couple of years to settle down and even out but some clubs might not last that long. Either way though something will need to be done, reading on the Benalla forum that if that league folds then Bonnie Doons option would be to come to the YVMDFL.
 
Can anyone confirm whether Gary Connolly caught up with Brad Coller for a drink?
Last time l spoke to him he said he was keen to catch up for a drink and a yarn (not about the GF of course).
They had some great tussles last season and a both top blokes from what l can see.
 
yeh we had a good chat after the granny and he showed a lot of sportsmanship. Apart from the granny all the other games were nail biters so we did have some good battles.
 
pupsta said:
its not that bad 3 times a year your right. i live in berwick and travel up and back thurs night and home games. i know the seville boys usually do and warby the other year, got a bus and some stayed up and went fishing so you can make a weekend of it. i think eventually they will have to change the divisions like some people are saying, to keep everyone happy and maybe lure a couple of other teams in.

could be something like this.

Southern

Thornton
Alex
Yea
Kinglake
Yarra Glen
Healsville
Coldstream
Yarra Junction
Powelltown
Warburton
Woori Yallock

Northern

Belgrave
Sth Belgrave
Emerald
Gembrook
Olinda
Monbulk
Wandin
Seville
Ferntree Gully
Silvan
Mt Evelyn

I think in the long run some teams will have to merge to survive with 3 or 4 div 2 teams strugglin to field 2's or 3rds now its only gonna get harder.

Gembrook/Emerald
Belgrave/Sth Belgrave
Powelly/Junction
and hate to say it Thornton/Alex
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Here we go again lets look at changing leagues Division 3 and 4 in EFL is not really setting the world on fire, and whilst these clubs have the desire and committment but some clubs just lack some of the "country atmosphere where the community is part of the club,
Whilst i appreciate that things are tuff travelling from south to north and vice versa could be used to advantage ie social functions etc
What probanly needs to be explored in the long term is combining or closer relationships between YVMDFL and Eastern Hypothectically EFL Div One would be Eastern FL Premier with Division Div Two teams that have sound financial systems and availability of players and Resources
Division One YVMDFL would be similair but given the fact of demographics etc be restricted to Rural /Country Based teams
Division Two YVMDFL and Division3 and 4 EFL be combined and divided up geographically.
As stated this "proposal" is not a short term fix but looking long term, football is changing clubs have come and gone and will continue to do so
 

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nothing changes in travel with you system. Promotion/relegation will change the landscape as the teams improve. And there is a huge difference between EFL Div 1, 2 teams as opposed to most of the YV teams possibly excluding Silvan at present.

In most country leagues you have to travel and that is it. Heathcote has Lockington to Broadford, GV has Rochester to Mansfield, and they all take time. Travel is just a part of a country league and although alot of the clubs are the fringe areas of the city its still a country league at present.
 
I think the biggest problem is that affiliated clubs havent been able to vote on the issue of new clubs entering into this league. The EFL for example only admits clubs after all clubs vote on the inclusion but Im led to believe that is not the case with YVMDFL. For 30 or so regular senior footballers at each club the travel wouldn't be an issue but for the rest who play coz a mate does or someone has talked them into it, they could easy be turned off by the travel factor and if their team is getting beat each week theres not much incentive to play. The new teams entering have chosen to travel otherwise they would be extinct, the original clubs havent been given a choice.
 
Lakers play a practice match on the weekend against watsoina we play pretty good thinks r start 2 look on the up
 
Valley Spy said:
For 30 or so regular senior footballers at each club the travel wouldn't be an issue but for the rest who play coz a mate does or someone has talked them into it, they could easy be turned off by the travel factor and if their team is getting beat each week theres not much incentive to play.
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I have decided to take my services to the EFL this season for that very reason. I am an ordinary 2's footballer that just wants to play with my mates. About 5 years ago a group of us 'filled in' for a game in seville's 2's, and have been playing since, but now in div 2 there are 5 away games that are over an hour travel (from croydon) and its just not worth it for us 2's footballers. No one wants to travel that far to play with 15 players, get flogged and come home feeling sore and beaten and feel like you have done the work of 10 men. I think seville will struggle with fielding 2's this year because i know im not the only one who has pulled the pin for this reason.
 
South Belgrave now have around 70 odd blokes training regularly in the lead up to their first season in EFL. A lot of them new to the club or returned after some time away.

The numbers wouldnt have been that high if they were still in Div 2 YVMDFL.

I know I stopped playing 2 years ago due to travel but have come back now. As have several others.

Its hard to get new players to come to your club when they see how far away games are in YVMDFL. More so when you dont have big bucks to throw around as most second div clubs dont.

I loved the atmosphere and feel of YVMDFL but when you compare the two options South were faced with, the efl move was far more workable and an easier situation to attract players. Its early days but the move appears to be working for us.

I cant help but feel the days of Emerald, Belgrave and some others are numbered in YVMDFL unless the comp is restructured.
 
This Saturday
Yea FC vs Broadford @ Yea

1pm kick off - 6 x 20 min terms
maybe 1-2 netballs games also

BBQ/drinks etc. available :thumbsu:
 
Tigersman said:
South Belgrave now have around 70 odd blokes training regularly in the lead up to their first season in EFL. A lot of them new to the club or returned after some time away.

The numbers wouldnt have been that high if they were still in Div 2 YVMDFL.

I know I stopped playing 2 years ago due to travel but have come back now. As have several others.

Its hard to get new players to come to your club when they see how far away games are in YVMDFL. More so when you dont have big bucks to throw around as most second div clubs dont.

I loved the atmosphere and feel of YVMDFL but when you compare the two options South were faced with, the efl move was far more workable and an easier situation to attract players. Its early days but the move appears to be working for us.

I cant help but feel the days of Emerald, Belgrave and some others are numbered in YVMDFL unless the comp is restructured.
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I hope South Belgrave have a good season and several years ago South Belgrave left for greener pastures in the SWGFL.
I note you you love the atmosphere of the YVMDFL as i have said whilst not wishing to be politically correct, country footy does have that extra atmosphere which metro clubs just carnt match.
Spare a thought for the "Bush"clubs that travel over the mountain every second week, not much complaints from them. Yea Alex and Thornton have been travelling this way and that way for years. Yes i do believe that these clubs are/will be of benifit to the YVMDFL. Remember Marysville had a side however they have gone but who knows. Travel to Yea Alex and Thornton even Kinglake could be used to the social advantage of visiting clubs etc. Bear in mind EDFL div 3 and 4 involves travel albeit in the outer to inner metro, Perhapsa joint YVMDFL / EDFL could look at football in the Inner/Outer east plus adjoining Rural areas.
The thought of continuing jumping from one league to the other only harms football clubs by increasing burdons on all Bigger is not necessarily best.It is interesting to note that several EDFL clubs commenced in the YVMDFL and also vice versa?
 
wtfa said:
I hope South Belgrave have a good season and several years ago South Belgrave left for greener pastures in the SWGFL.
I note you you love the atmosphere of the YVMDFL as i have said whilst not wishing to be politically correct, country footy does have that extra atmosphere which metro clubs just carnt match.
Spare a thought for the "Bush"clubs that travel over the mountain every second week, not much complaints from them. Yea Alex and Thornton have been travelling this way and that way for years. Yes i do believe that these clubs are/will be of benifit to the YVMDFL. Remember Marysville had a side however they have gone but who knows. Travel to Yea Alex and Thornton even Kinglake could be used to the social advantage of visiting clubs etc. Bear in mind EDFL div 3 and 4 involves travel albeit in the outer to inner metro, Perhapsa joint YVMDFL / EDFL could look at football in the Inner/Outer east plus adjoining Rural areas.
The thought of continuing jumping from one league to the other only harms football clubs by increasing burdons on all Bigger is not necessarily best.It is interesting to note that several EDFL clubs commenced in the YVMDFL and also vice versa?
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I am not all that familiar with the old days at South but the move to SWGFL was not completely their own decision from what Ive been told.

All games in div 4 efl are within 15 km or so of Souths home ground. This is a deciding factor for a lot of guys that are unsure on playing or not.

I hear that the EFL are interested in starting a div 5 in the next year or two.
This could be something that reshapes the YVMDFL as clubs like Belgrave and Emerald would have to look at it. Is a one Division YVMDFL comp in the near future?

It would have its advantages. Player numbers up at a lot of clubs and a stronger financial situation potentially.
 
Tigersman said:
I am not all that familiar with the old days at South but the move to SWGFL was not completely their own decision from what Ive been told.

All games in div 4 efl are within 15 km or so of Souths home ground. This is a deciding factor for a lot of guys that are unsure on playing or not.

I hear that the EFL are interested in starting a div 5 in the next year or two.

It would have its advantages. Player numbers up at a lot of clubs and a stronger financial situation potentially.
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The reason alot of clubs have left the EFL was because of the coin associated with success. Win a premiership and have to recruit 5-8 players just not to be relegated the next year. In Div 2 at present unless you have a young squad most clubs see premierships as the poisoned chalice. Nice to win but cant do much to stay up.
If Sth Belgrave were lucky enough to win the premiership this year, what changes then happen woth travel in Div 3 and Div 2? Doncaster from Sth Belgrave is a fair trip in itself. Probably about the same as going country?
 
GG Rides Again said:
The reason alot of clubs have left the EFL was because of the coin associated with success. Win a premiership and have to recruit 5-8 players just not to be relegated the next year. In Div 2 at present unless you have a young squad most clubs see premierships as the poisoned chalice. Nice to win but cant do much to stay up.
If Sth Belgrave were lucky enough to win the premiership this year, what changes then happen woth travel in Div 3 and Div 2? Doncaster from Sth Belgrave is a fair trip in itself. Probably about the same as going country?
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No Doubt clubs winning div 2 premierships are on a hiding to nothing but I don't think thats going to be an issue for south anytime soon.

Its far less of a problem when your talking div4 going up to div 3 although there is a fair step up in quality.

Would'nt you say the same applies to YVMDFL with clubs going up to div one having very little chance of success without pulling in new players?
 
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