Toast Zach Guthrie - Premiership Player

[Pure_Ownage]

I agree that is the issue, just lacks that little bit of desperation you need in defence. He is a good player in some areas and brave in the air. It is just attacking the ground balls and the opponent that he just doesn’t seem to get. Someone like Atkins just has that naturally in him.

I would probably keep him around if possible. He will play again this year. He is only 1-2 injuries away.

I mean i agree with this assessment but its his 6th year and we only have about 27 fit players this week and he hasnt made the 22 thats not a good sign. Hes in danger of delisting as are narkle and simpson from his draft cohort (different reasons in their cases).

 

[you pick one]

Has always cost us more goals than he defends that's as nice a review as I have.

 

[Seeds]

I mean i agree with this assessment but its his 6th year and we only have about 27 fit players this week and he hasnt made the 22 thats not a good sign. Hes in danger of delisting as are narkle and simpson from his draft cohort (different reasons in their cases).

Wait. Zac guthrie is in his 6th year?

wtf.

 

[Turbocat]

I mean i agree with this assessment but its his 6th year and we only have about 27 fit players this week and he hasnt made the 22 thats not a good sign. Hes in danger of delisting as are narkle and simpson from his draft cohort (different reasons in their cases).

Probably spot on ... and he will join the other side of not having enough pure talent to put games into ... and the consequence is churn and dry well's. Murdoch was a classic I think ..how many games into him for zip in the end. Yes we find some bargains..but we also fail a lot. The likes of Holmes will repay the games given imo so at some stage you have to be selective about who you play. Atm its not like one young guy misses out because another young guy is better ... and as you say , numbers and shortages..he should be playing. Narkle is another as I think Knevitt and his like will repay us more imo. long term.

Get some quality in and persist with them. ( the trick is to get the quality on our list ) .

 

[STPer18]

Wait. Zac guthrie is in his 6th year?

wtf.

Same draft year as Parfitt, Stewart, Ratugolea, Narkle, Henry and Simpson.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Wait. Zac guthrie is in his 6th year?

wtf.

Yes 2016 draft along with narkle and simpson and henry parfitt and stewart and sav (all from that year).

 

[STPer18]

How many of those guys including Zuthrie are considered list cloggers? 4?

1.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

How many of those guys including Zuthrie are considered list cloggers? 4?

Stewart is in the top 5 players in the entire 2016 draft.

Parfitt has been good and a win on the caddy trade.

Sav has been substandard but the role hes used in does him no favours.

Henry is in our 3 best young players.

Narkle has the talent but not the workrate.

Simpson was going to be a very good player before concussion.

Only zuthrie and narkle are list cloggers from that draft.

 

[Sky]

Stewart is in the top 5 players in the entire 2016 draft.

Parfitt has been good and a win on the caddy trade.

Sav has been substandard but the role hes used in does him no favours.

Henry is in our 3 best young players.

Narkle has the talent but not the workrate.

Simpson was going to be a very good player before concussion.

Only zuthrie and narkle are list cloggers from that draft.

why not sav and simpson who’ve shown just as much as narkle and zuthrie?

 

[Drunkcat]

Stewart is in the top 5 players in the entire 2016 draft.

Parfitt has been good and a win on the caddy trade.

Sav has been substandard but the role hes used in does him no favours.

Henry is in our 3 best young players.

Narkle has the talent but not the workrate.

Simpson was going to be a very good player before concussion.

Only zuthrie and narkle are list cloggers from that draft.

Simpson has only played 19 games and this is his 6th year, time has to be running out, we can not keep these players all the time

 

[Biggy_Boy]

How many of those guys including Zuthrie are considered list cloggers? 4?

Zuthrie and Narkle are list cloggers in the sense that they've now been on the list for a while but aren't getting regular games. They're simultaneously not pushing out finished veterans like Dahl and Higgins while also not ahead of the kids. Whether or not that's an accurate reflection of where they should be, particularly in respect to Narkle, is debatable. I think he, at least, should have been given more opportunity. That does seem to be how they're perceived by the MC, though, so fit the definition of list clogger - occupying spots on the list without there being any real use or plan for them. Just waiting for them to go. Simpson could also be one if his injury issues can't get sorted.

In all likelihood, the only successes from that draft will be Stewart, Parfitt and Henry.

 

[Seeds]

Stewart is in the top 5 players in the entire 2016 draft.

Parfitt has been good and a win on the caddy trade.

Sav has been substandard but the role hes used in does him no favours.

Henry is in our 3 best young players.

Narkle has the talent but not the workrate.

Simpson was going to be a very good player before concussion.

Only zuthrie and narkle are list cloggers from that draft.

I would of had henry as our top young player. Who do you have as the other two?

 

[Goggin Our Best]

$1.85 GWS $1.90 Geel - basically toss of the coin

With all these outs - we could get walloped today

This will be an interesting game this

 

[#cats2021]

How many of those guys including Zuthrie are considered list cloggers? 4?

The real list cloggers are:

Higgins
Dahlhaus
Rohan
Ceglar

 

[Hamingja]

Let's face it, Zuthrie, Atkins, Kolo etc are going to play a lot of games for us. It's not going to be possible to turnover all the old guys AND replace these limited types of players in their mid 20s. We are going to pick a terrible time to bottom out if a Tassie team comes in and takes the first 20 picks in the draft.

 

[Live in hope]

Out on a limb perhaps, but I’ve been a Zuthrie convert since that Norf game last year - that game, pretty good showing in the finals and in the practice matches has showcased pretty decent marking, footskills and agility. Always had good play reading. Admittedly still a little light /struggled a little with the intensity in a game earlier in the season, but I think he’s got enough in the kit bag of attributes - just need to find the right position and role for him.

 

[Sky]

Let's face it, Zuthrie, Atkins, Kolo etc are going to play a lot of games for us. It's not going to be possible to turnover all the old guys AND replace these limited types of players in their mid 20s. We are going to pick a terrible time to bottom out if a Tassie team comes in and takes the first 20 picks in the draft.

I think this too so I can handle losing preliminary finals for another 10 years opposed to doing what Carlton and Essendon have done for the last 20.

I don’t rate the coach but after 15 years of making finals I’ll give the club the benefit of the doubt by just assuming that we’re too professionally ran for that to happen or even an extreme Eagles like drop off. As a pessimistic Geelong supporter if we fell off a cliff I still don’t think it’s bottom 4 depths.
However a Tassie and a definite 20th side to follow would change that confidence. In turn I’m now more open to replacing the Higgins and Dahl types with more out of contract players to avoid this impending doom, as I can’t envision the comp having only 18 teams by the time the decades out.

 

[Cataholic]

Have to say I watched the last VFL game (albeit on tv) and thought Zuthrie looked lost, but kudos to him, he seems to be doing alright tonight.

 

[iameviljez]

but I’ve been a Zuthrie convert since that Norf game last year - that game, pretty good showing in the finals and in the practice matches has showcased pretty decent marking, footskills and agility

I have to admit, I admire Zuthrie. Never stood out as a junior, lucky to get on a list, physically nowhere near the size required to really play well at AFL but has made a fist of it.

He is, I think, one of the few players with serious potential to still improve dramatically after six years in the system, simply because he is coming from so far back physically.

 

[iameviljez]

Three contested marks! Zachie, we'll make a CHF of you yet.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I would of had henry as our top young player. Who do you have as the other two?

Holmes and de koning without a doubt (although funnily enough i think knevitt could be the best of the lot if all goes right). Stengle is obviously up there too depending on if you count him as a 'younger' player or not.

 

[crocsta]

Good season so far for Zach. He was lucky that Cam career was also a slow burn as otherwise he may have been delisted early. Good to see him going well


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[MacStradbroke]

I would of had henry as our top young player. Who do you have as the other two?

Im huge on Holmes but DeKoning is the man!

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Great to see Zuthrie delivering on his preseason form - fantastic game today and interesting to see players choosing him for the short handball option to kick inside 50.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Have to say I watched the last VFL game (albeit on tv) and thought Zuthrie looked lost, but kudos to him, he seems to be doing alright tonight.

As i mentioned hes basically being asked to play FB in vfl as we dont have any kpds there and thats not his go. Im still not sure on him but not surprised he looked better in a more suitable role.