Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 21: President Musk

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[Not Important]

i’m tipping enormous civil unrest, maybe revolution, when it dawns on americans they live in a police state. and rotten rupe is there stoking the fire.

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)

Tommy Tuberville: "When it comes to protesters, we gotta make sure we treat all of them the same: send them to jail."

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[Not Important]

sadly, i think there will be quite some suffering until that happens. there are a lot of ignoramuses out there. or people who are just ambivalent.

marque lawyers (@marquelawyers.bsky.social)

This is such a perfect moment for the international rule of law to reassert itself in practical terms and remind everyone that there is a better way of running the world than narcissistic bullies doing penis diplomacy. [contains quote post or other embedded content]

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[Visions]

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Oh, how the mighty have fallen. From president to peddler.

Trump in his element and probably the only job in the world he would excel at.

Crooked used car salesman!

 

[Cyber_punk]

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This is now normal American convos in Trump world.


They are so beyond fu.ked.

 

[10571z]

Good to see Trump working hard for peace in Russia and Ukraine. This war should have been prevented unfortunately it wasn’t and now finding peace is important.

 

[Spearman]

Dunno if 200% tariffs on French champagne and cognac is gonna hurt the average MAGA voter.

#3 items on their household, after #2 Trump/MAGA merch, and #1 guns
They just sit around on the veranda of their trailer in their hats and diapers, sipping France's finest and plinking varmits.

 

[jatz14]

This idiot thinks every problem can be solved with Tariffs like its a nuclear option to pound countries into submission. An absolute moron.

I suspect he thinks he is the first person that thought of them.

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[Bloods86]

Good to see Trump working hard for peace in Russia and Ukraine. This war should have been prevented unfortunately it wasn’t and now finding peace is important.

Bit hard to prevent a war when the invader is doing it to gain territory, resources and control.

Unless of course the "solution" was to just hand over a chunk of Ukraine beforehand, as well as acceptance as a puppet state of Russia.

 

[liz]

Good to see Trump working hard for peace in Russia and Ukraine. This war should have been prevented unfortunately it wasn’t and now finding peace is important.

How do you contextualise all this hard work Trump is putting in to find a path to peace in Ukraine with
a) his stated desire to take control of the Panama Canal, including the build up of US military forces in the region and, as a last resort, an invasion?
b) Trump's frequent comment that he will annex Greenland?
c) his efforts to economically bully Canada into becoming the 51st state?

Trump White House has asked U.S. military to develop options for the Panama Canal, officials say

Potential plans range from partnering more closely with Panamanian security forces to a less likely option of U.S. troops' seizing the canal by force, U.S. officials told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

Trump on annexing Greenland: ‘I think it will happen’

Chairman of Denmark parliament defense committee says “it would mean war.”

www.politico.eu

MSN

Or is it more reasonable to infer that Trump actually supports Putin's desire to re-absorb Ukraine into its own territory?

 

[Elroo]

Going to plan.

 

[Randomizor]

Another day, another plane on fire. Trumps America.

 

[CD Xbow]

Going to plan.

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I asked our cheerful silicon friends to give me a summary of what has happened to the US economy since Trumps inauguration

'Since President Trump's inauguration, the US economy and stock market have experienced significant changes. Here are some key points:

US Economy​

1. Inflation: Inflation has risen by 3% since Trump's inauguration, despite his campaign pledge to reduce it.
2. Unemployment: The labor market remains relatively healthy with a 4.1% unemployment rate, and 151,000 jobs were added in February.
3. Tariffs and Trade: Trump's tariffs have had a mixed impact. While they were intended to protect American industries, they have also led to increased business costs and hurt consumer spending4.
4. Economic Uncertainty: The economic policy uncertainty index has spiked by 41% since January, indicating growing concerns about the economy's direction.

Stock Market​

1. S&P 500: The S&P 500 has had a rough start, falling more than 7% since Trump's inauguration.
2. Nasdaq Composite: The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite has dropped more than 11% before a slight rebound.
3. Investor Confidence: Trump's tariffs and unpredictable policies have eroded investor confidence, leading to market volatility6.
4. Sector Performance: Traditionally defensive sectors like consumer staples and healthcare have outperformed, while recession-sensitive sectors like consumer discretionary and financials have slumped.

Overall, the US economy and stock market have faced challenges since Trump's inauguration, with inflation, tariffs, and economic uncertainty playing significant roles.'

 

[jatz14]

Put Australia first. Take a leaf out of Trump's playbook and focus on industry in Australia to process our own raw material and place tariffs on imports competing with our domestic products. Protect our agriculture and limit foreign ownership.

Do all the things known to scree an economy.

Why?

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[jatz14]

Forget Trump. In Australia, we could Lower the cost of power considerably. 15c retail is possible. Increase income from exports. Cut out corruption by being transparent. It's both corporations and the government working together that are screwing Australia. Energy companies are charging Australians export prices for our own gas, all while raking in billions in subsidies.

Are you 6?

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[Sixpence]

Are you 6?

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No, he's a bot. (Or should that be "It's a bot"?)

 

[Mick F]

Do all the things known to scree an economy.

Why?

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Decades of work by the best and brightest lead to Trade deals. An ongoing process, a ‘living document’. Signed off by politicians, but still.

Only a FW would come in tear it up on day 1. We saw him act similarly with the Pandemic Handbook.

 

[CD Xbow]

Decades of work by the best and brightest lead to Trade deals. An ongoing process, a ‘living document’. Signed off by politicians, but still.

Only a FW would come in tear it up on day 1. We saw him act similarly with the Pandemic Handbook.

Yes, it took a lot of work to destroy the readiness of the US to handle the pandemic and utterly cripple the response resulting in a death rate from covid 5x that of Oz. More than 500,000 excess deaths in the US and the punters vote him back in again. You can't fix stupid.

 

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It was the blood pressure medication!

 

[Visions]

Going to plan.

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They're great numbers, a beautiful set of numbers, some have even said they haven't seen numbers like that before, a record even...

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Nepotism , you’ve dropped the same post eight times now... but still managed to skip over every serious economic point already made yesterday about tariffs, downstream cost burdens, capital investment behaviour, and market distortions. Either you didn’t read those posts, or you didn’t understand them. Neither is a great look if you’re trying to discuss economic policy seriously.

You keep saying “tariffs help American industry grow.”
Which industry?
Steel? At the expense of automotive, construction, manufacturing, and energy sectors who now face input cost inflation?

Do you think firms will expand just because foreign goods cost more? While capital investment remains uncertain, input prices rise, and downstream demand weakens?
You talk about "opening the economy to private enterprise," yet fail to grasp that rising input costs + volatile policy signals = suppressed investment, not growth.

You claim “only government workers got jobs under Biden.”
Did you even glance at the data?
The private sector accounted for over 80% of job gains, and in fact, manufacturing jobs rebounded more under Biden than under Trump’s first term (despite Trump’s tariffs and tax gimmicks. So where’s your source?) or are we just airing MAGA fables again?

You say “government spending is just redistribution or laundering.”
Alright, then explain:

Who builds roads?

Who maintains energy grids?

Who funds basic research that private capital won’t touch due to long timelines and low margins?
Or do you believe "the market" just spontaneously assembles bridges and vaccines from Elon’s Twitter posts?


You claim “Trump is cutting waste”... yet stock markets are crashing, debt is ballooning, inflation is rising, and global trade is destabilizing under policies you cheer on without understanding the consequences.

You’ve confused slogans with strategy, and ideology with economics.

So before you post another wall of MAGA bumper stickers, maybe try reading the discussion you skipped... where actual contributors unpacked how tariffs burden domestic industries, how downstream sectors absorb disproportionate damage, and how capital doesn’t flow toward sectors drowning in political volatility.

But maybe that’s too much nuance for someone who thinks GDP growth is just about yelling “private enterprise” loud enough.

Mate, it's an AI chatbot.

Don't even respond. You're a brilliant poster - I'm sure you have way better things to do.

 

[Gavin Excell]

The annexation of Greenland has real Sudetenland land vibes for history buffs

 

[JackOutback]

I suspect he thinks he is the first person that thought of them.

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He should ask Smoot and Hawley how it went for them.

 

[Satan]

The annexation of Greenland has real Sudetenland land vibes for history buffs

Thinking putin wanting Ukraine

 

[Satan]

He should ask Smoot and Hawley how it went for them.

Who knew this scene 40 years later would be valuable

 

[jatz14]

The funny part which is going to emerge over the next couple of months is that the tariff wars will come to an end, Trump will back down and maybe the stock market recovers to near its previous trajectory, but the damage to GDP and the budget will only start emerging around June/July when numbers for April-Jun are reported.

The budget deficit is at an all-time high, February was one of the worst months ever for the Federal Deficit. And soon, a big stack of tax cuts are going to kick in and make it a whole lot worse.

My guess is that Trump knows this and the tariffs will be lifted in the last week of March and they will cross their fingers that all the delayed investment will come back and make the June Quarter look like an economic miracle (compared to the March Quarter) and Trump will say it's his policies working, but the truth will be that he tanked it so hard in March that anything would have been an improvement and it won't have recovered to the Biden trajectory.

I'm guessing after the tariff wars and the tax cuts are passed, they'll shut up shop about economic policy. Their tariff ideas were stupid and have been proven failures.

They don't have any others and don't need to, they don't need to be re-elected. They'll just pocket all their bribe money and look to the next grift. Trump ran out of ideas in his first term too, he spent the last two years just watching people die of COVID.

The FO part of this FAFO is that while the stroke of a pen can cancel tariffs, it isn't going to cancel people from refusing to buy American.

Not only did Canada pull American products from shelves, but they are going to fill those shelves with alternatives. And even if they didn't pull them, Canadians had stopped buying them anyway.

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