List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (16)

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Sandy Brock (14/12/02) - Signed a 1 year contract (2025) when recruited as a SSP signing in February 2025

 

[maverick001]

I don't think Cal has much info on WA players in general throughout the year and his ranking of WA players is based heavily off under 18's *(I meant National Champs) comp and recruiters intel.

He will have been watching the Vic/Allies 18's pre-season matches which is why his top players are all from there. Except Sharp who is probably going 1 so he was in his list as well.

Fred Rod is going top 5 and I dont expect him to go past the eagles unless we have pick 1.

Yes reflects my thoughts, he often doesn’t bring the WA players into the frame until mid or late season

 

[WCE777]

Pretty sure you said previously that Warner was 80% done and just agreeing on a deal. Are you still confident he comes to west coast?

Prior to the Swans recent offer, my info was he was a done deal.
He is still considering the Swans massive offer and would expect something within the month if he is staying at Sydney.
He doesn't buy that house and not come home, very strong push from the missus.
Freo don't have the draft capital and offer that WC have to make it happen, so that's all I have.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

While I agree, I hope our plan isn't to stay bottom 4.

Of course not. But there's a difference in recruiting mature age players for short term gain, and going to the draft and trying to find some 250 game elite mids.

 

[Rowan18]

The top 10 AFL Draft prospects for 2025

The 2025 AFL Draft class already has recruiters excited about its high-end talent. And with Academy players in the mix and Tasmania looming, clubs need to nail this draft. Here are Jasper Chellappah's top 10 early prospects.

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A long way to go, but if 2025 shakes out like it's looking and Rodriguez is a top 2 pick, and we will have a top 2 pick, I'll be pretty upset if we don't take him given he's a WA boy (or ideally Sharp obviously as the inside mid, but assuming we finish above Richmond)

If Warner wants to come then they can have Hawks pick and 2026 first.

Lol - they'll be getting our 1st pick for Warner, don't kid yourself. If he keeps up his current form, he could win the Brownlow.

 

[bzparkes]

Lol - they'll be getting our 1st pick for Warner, don't kid yourself. If he keeps up his current form, he could win the Brownlow.

He'd be unlikely to even have votes at this stage, not that he hasn't been good.

 

[ArdentEagle]

He'd be unlikely to even have votes at this stage, not that he hasn't been good.

I'd kill too have one of our mids average 20 possies and two goals

Being serious for a second, if Sharp continues to grow, I think he's a bigger need than Warner...Rowell absolutely bullied our kids. Sharp will lead from the front, inspire others.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Compo pick would be after the first round is complete yes? surely we will take it. I hope this nonsense that we are too proud of a club to take one has washed off by now.

Personally I don't mind if Warner signs a new two year deal with Sydney, maybe in two years we will be better placed and have better mids around him for him to join. We can't afford to trade draft picks right now.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Lol - they'll be getting our 1st pick for Warner, don't kid yourself. If he keeps up his current form, he could win the Brownlow.

That's if Warner even comes. After seeing our Round 1 game I wouldn't blame him if he went straight to his manager and told him to sign the Sydney short extension.

With how horrid our midfield is right now he'd be a Tim Kelly 2.0. Be the main focus of every teams players and get shut out cos we have no one else.

 

[Scotland]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Don't shoot me down.

History since 2017.

2017 the infamous taking of brander with our first pick instead of Allen which led to us taking Allen with our second pick and Geelong taking Kelly.

Happy to be corrected but if we had traded and drafted differently we could have had these players on our list.

2019 had we not traded for Kelly. The pick 14 was used on Bergman. Quite a decent player

2020 the future first pick 18 given to Geelong could have been used on the likes of max Holmes or Tyler Brockman who we had to trade for recently anyway.

2022 traded pick 3 and could have pick sheezel.

2023 Reid.

2024 pick 3 we could picked up jagga smith.

Let's correct all this and draft without ****ing up out picks and forgetting the brander shit.

If we had not traded for Kelly and not traded out our high picks each year in 2 of the last 3 years we could very well have had the following players in our team right now.

Jagga smith
Harry sheezel
Max Holmes
Miles Bergman

These added to Elliot Yeo and Harley reid and we have much better and talented midfield/team

I really hope we dont trade away our pick number 1 this year even if it's to secure Chad Warner.

Thoughts?

2017 was a success. Brander was a miss (and the handful of players taken immediately after are good), but we drafted Allen and Ryan and Petruccelle who are still on the list as a result of the Gold Coast pick swap.

2019 Kelly change was a disaster because we have no spine. 25 years old, out of contract and only returning to WC. So we give up two firsts and change. Chasing big fish is not our thing and I am nervous we will do it again with Warner. Funny how it is OK for Geelong to just give up pick 17 for Bailey Smith who they had been into for at least a year...

2019/20 we would have been picking at 16 and 18. Maybe we pick Georgiades and Holmes but late first round picks are no sure thing. It's not like the 2000s where you could make the finals and still end up with pick 8. We had pick 9 in 2002 after Carlton lost pick 1, pick 11 in 2003 and pick 12 in 2004 all while playing finals. 2005/6 when we made back to back GFs we had picks 18 and 16. 2008/9 when we stank our second round picks were 18 (priority) and 20. Totally different world to today where you can finish last and your second round pick is 30.

2022 was stoked with the trade until Hewett barely got on the park for two years. On the fence about the 'doesn't want to leave Victoria' narrative around Sheezel and others. If it's real the AFL has a problem. If we no longer back ourselves to retain non WA players then we have a big problem. Hurn, Shuey, Gaff, Braun, Wirrpanda, Schofield, Duggan... hell we attracted Vardy and Redden who have no connection to Perth.

2023 Reid 100% correct call. **** off Sam McClure.

2024 see 2019. In no world is Liam Baker worth downgrading pick 3 in the 2024 draft to any other club ever. But we did it because we made a commitment to him.
The best thing we did in 2024 was let Barrass go. He deserves to be able to play elsewhere after giving good service and is the kind of player we would normally just overpay to keep from age 30+ while we aren't contending. Yeo is awesome when available but in hindsight was re-signing him until 2027 a good move?

I just want WC to go back to backing ourselves in to draft good players and trading picks in the 20s and 30s to fill needs. There is zero "PSD or GTFO" chat about Chad Warner which could unfortunately be possible. Sure it never happens but everyone knows WC don't want to tread on anyone's toes. I would be more than happy for the club to keep first round picks off the table for Warner or split picks etc and if he would rather re-sign with Sydney so be it.

Hawthorn went down the path of overpaying to get trades done and went nowhere. Now they are backing themselves to go to the draft and find value proposition players at other clubs. GWS know they can't keep everyone so let players go and always maximise value coming back. Geelong would offer one pick for Harley Reid and think they are being reasonable. Etc.

 

[ziad]

Of course not. But there's a difference in recruiting mature age players for short term gain, and going to the draft and trying to find some 250 game elite mids.

I guess my pondering is that by the time we get the likely lads in we will be a credible team, hence the cherry on top will be valuable.

 

[WCE777]

That's if Warner even comes. After seeing our Round 1 game I wouldn't blame him if he went straight to his manager and told him to sign the Sydney short extension.

With how horrid our midfield is right now he'd be a Tim Kelly 2.0. Be the main focus of every teams players and get shut out cos we have no one else.

I don't think players change their mind about shifting clubs after round 1.
I don't know the sell, but it should be around the midfields yours and Harley's for the next 10 years and bring along these kids with you, who else do you want to play with and we will throw them an offer?

 

[RanaNaved]

2017 was a success. Brander was a miss (and the handful of players taken immediately after are good), but we drafted Allen and Ryan and Petruccelle who are still on the list as a result of the Gold Coast pick swap.

2019 Kelly change was a disaster because we have no spine. 25 years old, out of contract and only returning to WC. So we give up two firsts and change. Chasing big fish is not our thing and I am nervous we will do it again with Warner. Funny how it is OK for Geelong to just give up pick 17 for Bailey Smith who they had been into for at least a year...

2019/20 we would have been picking at 16 and 18. Maybe we pick Georgiades and Holmes but late first round picks are no sure thing. It's not like the 2000s where you could make the finals and still end up with pick 8. We had pick 9 in 2002 after Carlton lost pick 1, pick 11 in 2003 and pick 12 in 2004 all while playing finals. 2005/6 when we made back to back GFs we had picks 18 and 16. 2008/9 when we stank our second round picks were 18 (priority) and 20. Totally different world to today where you can finish last and your second round pick is 30.

2022 was stoked with the trade until Hewett barely got on the park for two years. On the fence about the 'doesn't want to leave Victoria' narrative around Sheezel and others. If it's real the AFL has a problem. If we no longer back ourselves to retain non WA players then we have a big problem. Hurn, Shuey, Gaff, Braun, Wirrpanda, Schofield, Duggan... hell we attracted Vardy and Redden who have no connection to Perth.

2023 Reid 100% correct call. **** off Sam McClure.

2024 see 2019. In no world is Liam Baker worth downgrading pick 3 in the 2024 draft to any other club ever. But we did it because we made a commitment to him.
The best thing we did in 2024 was let Barrass go. He deserves to be able to play elsewhere after giving good service and is the kind of player we would normally just overpay to keep from age 30+ while we aren't contending. Yeo is awesome when available but in hindsight was re-signing him until 2027 a good move?

I just want WC to go back to backing ourselves in to draft good players and trading picks in the 20s and 30s to fill needs. There is zero "PSD or GTFO" chat about Chad Warner which could unfortunately be possible. Sure it never happens but everyone knows WC don't want to tread on anyone's toes. I would be more than happy for the club to keep first round picks off the table for Warner or split picks etc and if he would rather re-sign with Sydney so be it.

Hawthorn went down the path of overpaying to get trades done and went nowhere. Now they are backing themselves to go to the draft and find value proposition players at other clubs. GWS know they can't keep everyone so let players go and always maximise value coming back. Geelong would offer one pick for Harley Reid and think they are being reasonable. Etc.

Sheezel didn't want to come, but we also would never had access to him anyway

 

[WCE777]

Would you let Oscar walk to Collingwood on a long term deal which guarantees WC get pick 1 FA compo?
WC get Cameron and Ed Allan for a couple of late picks?

 

[Elite Pete]

Would you let Oscar walk to Collingwood on a long term deal which guarantees WC get pick 1 FA compo?
WC get Cameron and Ed Allan for a couple of late picks?

Magpies would still want market value for both.

Oscars decision has little to do with the other 2 besides maybe salary cap space would be getting tight at the Pies.

If it gets that long and Oscar isn’t signed he would care little for what the Eagles want.

 

[stallon]

Would you let Oscar walk to Collingwood on a long term deal which guarantees WC get pick 1 FA compo?
WC get Cameron and Ed Allan for a couple of late picks?

Pies need another ruckman to replace Cameron, they dont have anybody else on the list capable right now.

They wont give up Cameron without someone coming in, and I dont think theyll be keen on settling for Flynn or BW

 

[WCE777]

Magpies would still want market value for both.

Oscars decision has little to do with the other 2 besides maybe salary cap space would be getting tight at the Pies.

If it gets that long and Oscar isn’t signed he would care little for what the Eagles want.

Apparent rumour that Collingwood have thrown at WC.
Pay Oscar enough so WC get pick 1 as FA compo.
Other 2 players get too WC for 2 late picks?

 

[stallon]

Apparent rumour that Collingwood have thrown at WC.
Pay Oscar enough so WC get pick 1 as FA compo.
Other 2 players get too WC for 2 late picks?

Where is this rumour from?

 

[WCE777]

Where is this rumour from?

same place as Warner info

 

[ziad]

Apparent rumour that Collingwood have thrown at WC.
Pay Oscar enough so WC get pick 1 as FA compo.
Other 2 players get too WC for 2 late picks?

I have zero trust in the AFL for this (Pick 1 FA) to occur regardless of the offer..

 

[WCE777]

I have zero trust in the AFL for this (Pick 1 FA) to occur regardless of the offer..

agree, but shows how desperate Collingwood are to draft a key FWD.

 

[stallon]

Apparent rumour that Collingwood have thrown at WC.
Pay Oscar enough so WC get pick 1 as FA compo.
Other 2 players get too WC for 2 late picks?

I presume you mean band 1 compo, not pick 1

 

[Notmuchofanexpert]

If it comes to trading for Warner we need to try and maintain our 2025 draft hand as best as possible. Only way to do that is include players and futures.

Luckily both clubs are in different modes so have different needs. Win now vs rebuild

If the players involved can be convinced, is a trade like the below possible?

Kelly + Billiams OR Jilliams + F1 - for - Warner + 2nd OR 3rd rounder (a sweetener basically)

This trade gives Sydney that high pick in the 2026 draft as well as a competent, if not good goal scoring midfielder (when playing in a good side) that is in need of a change of scenery and a tall target that can help in the ruck that is stuck in a log jam of tall talent at WC. They may lean towards Jilliams, but happy for it to be either option dependent on wo McQualter likes come end of year. I reckon Jilliams would do well at Sydney.

WC get the elite mid that can build with the side and some collateral picks to help us land our NGAs while protecting our 2025 first rounders to use on the high end talent we need.

2026 midfield rotation and ages would look like:
Reid 21, Warner 25, Yeo 32, Hewett 22, Hutchinson 24, Graham 28, Rodriguez/Sharp 18, Gross 19 + maybe Allan 19, Chesser 23 if they develop into mids.

For this to work Kelly would need to play decent football this year. Something he is capable of doing, putting the recent match aside.

 

[stallon]

If it comes to trading for Warner we need to try and maintain our 2025 draft hand as best as possible. Only way to do that is include players and futures.

Luckily both clubs are in different modes so have different needs. Win now vs rebuild

If the players involved can be convinced, is a trade like the below possible?

Kelly + Billiams OR Jilliams + F1 - for - Warner + 2nd OR 3rd rounder (a sweetener basically)

Kelly highly unlikely to leave WA
I dont think Sydney will want players from us outside someone like JWilliams, who im not sure moves the needle much, I dont think hes better than what they have already

This trade gives Sydney that high pick in the 2026 draft as well as a competent, if not good goal scoring midfielder (when playing in a good side) that is in need of a change of scenery and a tall target that can help in the ruck that is stuck in a log jam of tall talent at WC. They may lean towards Jilliams, but happy for it to be either option dependent on wo McQualter likes come end of year. I reckon Jilliams would do well at Sydney.

WC get the elite mid that can build with the side and some collateral picks to help us land our NGAs while protecting our 2025 first rounders to use on the high end talent we need.

2026 midfield rotation and ages would look like:
Reid 21, Warner 25, Yeo 32, Hewett 22, Hutchinson 24, Graham 28, Rodriguez/Sharp 18, Gross 19 + maybe Allan 19, Chesser 23 if they develop into mids.

 

[Elite Pete]

Apparent rumour that Collingwood have thrown at WC.
Pay Oscar enough so WC get pick 1 as FA compo.
Other 2 players get too WC for 2 late picks?

Both players Ed, Oscar and Darcy would get to decide where they go. Pies have little to do with that.

Talk is Blues will chase Darcy Cameron if the likely scenario of TDK leaving happens. So he has options and I reckon Allan would too

 

[stallon]

If we were to get band 1 for Allen(Pick 3), then swap our 2nd rounder for DCam + Allan for example, thatd be a great result.
Then swap pick 3 + f1 for Warner + swans 1st for example.
Result is
In: DCam, Allan, Warner, Swans 1st
Out: Allen, wce f1, wce 2nd rounder
Pretty good outcome if it was to come true

Ruck sorted. Midfield a lot stronger with Warner + Allan. Still protect our top pick for a mid, plus have 2 later 1st rounders.