Mega Thread Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT? Part 2

[DaicosDisciple35]

hes amazing at his best but the carry on from the commentators is insane yes hes a star but its too much and i'm a fan of Nick

too much?

TOO MUCH?

The kid took the pies from the bottom of the ladder to a point off a granny in his first year, won the flag as the best player all season in his second, single handedly went from an outside runner to an inside contested beast in this 3rd when the team lacked the muscle and in season 4 will take the pies to ANOTHER flag and will get his brownlow+norm smith this year just watch.

not to mention he is the son of PETER FKING DAICOS

 

[DaicosDisciple35]

If we are taking a legacy approach, Collingwood is obviously the biggest and best club with the highest level of independence against the AFL, has done the most to help other clubs, is the most consistently successful club etc etc and Nick Daicos is already the best player to have ever played for Collingwood in terms of ability and his status in the competition. I think that adds to his GOAT status.

 

[MagpieExcalibur]

too much?

TOO MUCH?

The kid took the pies from the bottom of the ladder to a point off a granny in his first year, won the flag as the best player all season in his second, single handedly went from an outside runner to an inside contested beast in this 3rd when the team lacked the muscle and in season 4 will take the pies to ANOTHER flag and will get his brownlow+norm smith this year just watch.

not to mention he is the son of PETER FKING DAICOS

Sidebottom will win Norm Smith Nick will come close and might win a brownlow again not his fault and he's been a little overrated on current form not how he normally is but he'll be kicking ass soon

 

[MagpieExcalibur]

If we are taking a legacy approach, Collingwood is obviously the biggest and best club with the highest level of independence against the AFL, has done the most to help other clubs, is the most consistently successful club etc etc and Nick Daicos is already the best player to have ever played for Collingwood in terms of ability and his status in the competition. I think that adds to his GOAT status.

Pendles is the GOAT but Nick will be an all-time great trucking along ok but not at his very best at the moment

 

[DaicosDisciple35]

Pendles is the GOAT but Nick will be an all-time great trucking along ok but not at his very best at the moment

Daicos is already better than prime Pendles

 

[MagpieExcalibur]

i know he's had a couple of injuries but barring something major can't see why Nick won't be starring/playing in his late 30s (32-35)

 

[Do the Dew]

You don't watch soccer so you don't know what you're talking.

The equivalent of a spoil in a soccer is a header away from the defender.


You also failed to address why Patrick Cripps, Clayton Oliver, Lachie Neale don't have huge numbers of spoils compared to Nick.

I do watch soccer so you're wrong there.

And the equivalent of a spoil in soccer is when you block an opponent's kick, exactly the same as footy.

Do you look at stats before you post? Daicos has had 11 spoils in his career at 0.1 per game. Cripps has had 89 at 0.5 per game. Neale averages the same as Daicos and Oliver has 0.3 per game. You actually couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

 

[sr36]

Pendles is the GOAT but Nick will be an all-time great trucking along ok but not at his very best at the moment

Pendles is our GOAT due to longevity, but Nick has already hit a higher peak than him. Prime Bucks is the peak Nick is at and Nick will go higher.

 

[RCAB]

I do watch soccer so you're wrong there.

And the equivalent of a spoil in soccer is when you block an opponent's kick, exactly the same as footy.

Do you look at stats before you post? Daicos has had 11 spoils in his career at 0.1 per game. Cripps has had 89 at 0.5 per game. Neale averages the same as Daicos and Oliver has 0.3 per game. You actually couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Blocking an opponent's kick would be a smother in AFL. Jesus this is three posts in a row, where you are completely off the mark.

I've already posted the 2024 spoil stats.

Cripps spoils stats for career are according to this

AFL Player Profile

AFL Player Profile

www.wheeloratings.com

0.4 not 0.5


2024 is an important year for both Cripps and Neale. Brownlow and Premiership respectively.

In 2024 Cripps (195cm) had 8 spoils for the whole season. Neale had 3 spoils, the same as Daicos. Same as Prestia and Dusty had... 2.

In his other Brownlow year, Cripps had even less spoils with 7. Does it really matter if Daicos got a couple of more spolis in a season?

 

[sr36]

He's a great player, sure. But when you look at the GOAT conversation with the likes of Matthews, Carey, Ablett Snr, Ablett Jnr - they all had that extra x factor.

Matthews - explosive, goalkicker, tough
Carey - dominant key position player, kicks goals, tough
Ablett Snr - did things nobody else could, kicked a lot of goals
Ablett jnr - collected the ball at will, elite agility and strength, best skills of all time



Daicos has a great motor and gets a lot of the ball in a high possession era but stack him up against players from this time in Bont, Martin etc and he's not at their level, let alone at the level of those above

He won't be able to do it the same way as Matthews, Ablett Jr or Dusty, who had that incredible power through the hips. But none of them moved in traffic as well and got to the ball as quickly as Nick Daicos does. And only Diesel and Pendles had the vision and awareness in traffic that Nick Daicos has. You just wait until this kid has physically developed enough to stand up in a tackle and give off composed handballs in that situation and break arm tackles when he's wrong footed blokes. And then there's his running and outside game, which is already as good as it gets.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Blocking an opponent's kick would be a smother in AFL. Jesus this is three posts in a row, where you are completely off the mark.

I've already posted the 2024 spoil stats.

Cripps spoils stats for career are according to this

AFL Player Profile

AFL Player Profile

www.wheeloratings.com

0.4 not 0.5


2024 is an important year for both Cripps and Neale. Brownlow and Premiership respectively.

In 2024 Cripps (195cm) had 8 spoils for the whole season. Neale had 3 spoils, the same as Daicos. Same as Prestia and Dusty had... 2.

In his other Brownlow year, Cripps had even less spoils with 7. Does it really matter if Daicos got a couple of more spolis in a season?

I've always found it strange how a massive guy like Cripps could be so average above his head.

 

[TruRoo]

But none of them moved in traffic as well and got to the ball as quickly as Nick Daicos does. And only Diesel and Pendles had the vision and awareness in traffic that Nick Daicos has. You just wait until this kid has physically developed enough to stand up in a tackle and give off composed handballs in that situation and break arm tackles when he's wrong footed blokes. And then there's his running and outside game, which is already as good as it gets.

Did you ever watch Ablett Jnr?

He already did all of that, just better than Daicos. That isn't a knock on Nick.

 

[sr36]

Did you ever watch Ablett Jnr?

He already did all of that, just better than Daicos. That isn't a knock on Nick.

Yeah I did. Absolutely awesome player, but he wasn't a huge first possession at stoppage player, nor a big releaser of teammates by hand.

 

[QuietB]

single handedly went from an outside runner to an inside contested beast in this 3rd

Yeah I did. Absolutely awesome player, but he wasn't a huge first possession at stoppage player, nor a big releaser of teammates by hand.

wat

 

[sr36]

wat

Gaz wasn't a first touch ball hunter. He was never high up in the clearance stats - even at Gold Coast when they had no one else good enough to win first possession. He stood back a bit and looked to pounce on balls that spilled to him or opportunities to receive. He was awesome at it.

 

[TruRoo]

Yeah I did. Absolutely awesome player, but he wasn't a huge first possession at stoppage player, nor a big releaser of teammates by hand.

Clearances were only recorded on footywire from 2010 onwards

Ablett jnr clearances per game average
2010 - 5.4
2011 - 6.7
2012 - 6.6
2013 - 5.9
2014 - 7.9
2015 - 6.2

You should get the picture. Those aren't the numbers of a player who "wasn't a huge first possession at stoppage player."

Daicos is great and COULD be in the GOAT conversation. Ablett Jnr IS.

 

[TruRoo]

wat

Yep we are past the pale here.

. He stood back a bit and looked to pounce on balls that spilled to him or opportunities to receive. He was awesome at it.

Confirmed. You didn't watch Ablett Jnr. Perhaps you weren't old enough to truly appreciate it?

 

[sr36]

Clearances were only recorded on footywire from 2010 onwards

Ablett jnr clearances per game average
2010 - 5.4
2011 - 6.7
2012 - 6.6
2013 - 5.9
2014 - 7.9
2015 - 6.2

You should get the picture. Those aren't the numbers of a player who "wasn't a huge first possession at stoppage player."

Daicos is great and COULD be in the GOAT conversation. Ablett Jnr IS.

They're good numbers, but lots of his peers were higher and significantly better at getting first possession. Gaz's style around stoppage wasn't first touch. He played it like Dane Swan. Sit back a bit circle the contest and look to pounce on a ball that bobbles out or an opportunity to receive - with the power to break through when he got the ball.

Gaz's highest number of clearances in a year was 40 short - 25% less - than the number Nick got in his first year as an inside mid - before he's got the body for the role.

 

[TruRoo]

They're good numbers, but lots of his peers were higher and significantly better at getting first possession. Gaz's style around stoppage wasn't first touch.

Gaz's highest number of clearances in a year was 40 short - 25% less than the number Nick got in his first year as an inside mid - before he's got the body for the role.

Gaz also played in an era that wasn't a rolling maul of stoppages. You clearly don't have much of an idea when it comes to him given your comments.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yes it was a tragedy that Juddy was discussed as a potential greatest ever and had to settle for simply being one of the all time greats - might have actually got to GOAT if OP was dealt with as well back then as it is today.

The push back that we're seeing is a few Carlton and other random supporters of other clubs making fools of themselves.

You guys, and the media, are a lot worse than what we saw with Judd. I have to admit it is nauseating at times. We simply end up with both sides being over the top extremes to counter each other. And your "analysis" of Ablett is off base, exactly what we saw from Martin fan boys trying to diminish every other player who neutrals ranked highly.

 

[T2B_]

Oh it'll be discussed, but it shouldn't.

We're seeing the push back that premature GOAT discussion has.

Yes, the difference with the likes of Judd etc is the supporter base like WC fans weren't so floggy about it. Pies fans, not all granted, have been setting up Nick for hate with their conduct. Its a little bizarre to me to want to do that.

 

[sr36]

You guys, and the media, are a lot worse than what we saw with Judd. I have to admit it is nauseating at times. We simply end up with both sides being over the top extremes to counter each other. And your "analysis" of Ablett is off base, exactly what we saw from Martin fan boys trying to diminish every other player who neutrals ranked highly.

I'm not diminishing Gaz. Him, Dusty and Carey are the best I've seen.

But there are different roles at stoppage. And Gaz's wasn't generally positioning to get to the ball first. He played it like Swan - positioned beautifully to pounce on anything that spilled or to receive and then had that incredible power to break through. He's the best we've ever seen in that role, as unlike Swan, who was just about as good at the initial part, Gaz's ball use and decision making was sublime.

 

[Worm4]

Didn't take many contested marks Dodgy Shoulders Juddy, took around 0.2 a game. Ouch and ouch.

So more than nick then yeah ?
Same as GAJ . Both dodgy shoulders, yet somehow managed to take contested marks. What's your excuse for Nick ?

 

[sr36]

Gaz also played in an era that wasn't a rolling maul of stoppages. You clearly don't have much of an idea when it comes to him given your comments.

The average number of stoppages in a game is declining. The big clearance guys got big numbers in Gaz's day. Gaz got good numbers (like Swan)- but his style around stoppage wasn't built on first possession it was built on pouncing and bursting from the clearance.

 

[sr36]

So more than nick then yeah ?
Same as GAJ . Both dodgy shoulders, yet somehow managed to take contested marks. What's your excuse for Nick ?

Not yet strong enough to shift blokes in a one on one. He'll try to body check early and then get to the ball first - which doesn't go down as a contested mark.