Resource 2022 Stats thread

[GremioPower]

Part of the reason is that 2 v 3 QFs at MCG have been between 2 Vic teams and the 3rd placed team has won the QF and then GF. And 3 dynasty teams have won their 3rd premiership in their sequence from 3rd.

Richmond in 2017 and 2019. Rich in 2020 won from 3rd, were battle hardened when they relocated to Qld and the Gabba

Hawks were 3rd in 2015 in 3rd year of their dynasty lost in Perth in QF but won PF in Perth.

Brisbane won from 3rd in the final year of their 3 in a row. Lost QF at MCG but won PF in Sydney.

So 3 of the 3rd victories come from the final year of 3 dynasties who won 3 flags and Richmond won in their home ground despite finishing 3rd.

The other 2 of 7 flags from 3rd were both Sydney. They only just beat WCE in 2005 when both barely could beat each other. Sydney almostwon from 4th in 2006. They played about a dozen games in that sequence where only 1 game was not won by 12 pts or less.

In 2012 they were 3rd were finals battle hardened and beat a surprise youngish Adelaide who jumped from 14th to finish 2nd and Sydney was too strong in the QF at Footy Park.


Since 2000 the following have won flags
1st 8 and lost 8 GFs
2nd 6 and lost 6 GFs
3rd 7 and lost 3 GFs
7th 1

4th lost 3 GFs
5th lost 1 GF
6th lost 1 GF

I have edited my post above, adding a P.S. with data. There seems to have been a change after 2016.

If we consider Semifinalists, it's possible to pick from 2015 onwards. Since 2000, 11 Semifinalists have reached the GF, with 8 of them being since 2015.

It happened in 9 season, but 6 of those were in the last 7 years: 2003 (Lions*), 2005 (Sydney*), 2006 (W. Coast*), 2015 (Hawthorn*), 2016 (Sydney/Footscray*), 2018 (Collingwood), 2019 (G.W.S.), 2020 (Richmond*/Geelong), and 2021 (Footscray).



*Premiers

 

[Port85]

I wonder if our high handball and short kicking game style is harder to execute at night.

I’m not sure it’s even worth investigating because the club would never request a majority of day games for commercial reasons, even if it made us more successful.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I wonder if our high handball and short kicking game style is harder to execute at night.

I’m not sure it’s even worth investigating because the club would never request a majority of day games for commercial reasons, even if it made us more successful.

We have a problem on Saturday night's 8-17.

Other night games 15-7.

 

[Port85]

We have a problem on Saturday night's 8-17.

Other night games 15-7.

Bizzare. Unless we're playing top 8 / top 4 teams more often on Saturday night I have no idea why that would matter over a different night of the week.

Maybe we need a larger sample size of games before finding anything meaningful there.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I have edited my post above, adding a P.S. with data. There seems to have been a change after 2016.

If we consider Semifinalists, it's possible to pick from 2015 onwards. Since 2000, 11 Semifinalists have reached the GF, with 8 of them being since 2015.

It happened in 9 season, but 6 of those were in the last 7 years: 2003 (Lions*), 2005 (Sydney*), 2006 (W. Coast*), 2015 (Hawthorn*), 2016 (Sydney/Footscray*), 2018 (Collingwood), 2019 (G.W.S.), 2020 (Richmond*/Geelong), and 2021 (Footscray).

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*Premiers

If we split this into 2 you can see its driven by certain reasons.

It happened in 9 season, but 6 of those were in the last 7 years:

2003 (Lions*), 2005 (Sydney*), 2006 (W. Coast*),
2003 3rd year of Brisbane's 3 in a row
2005 2v3 QF Sydney lose QF in Perth v WCE by 4pts and win GF by 4pts v WCE
2006 1v4 QF WCE lose QF in Perth v Sydney by 1pt and win GF by 1 pt v Sydney


2015 (Hawthorn*),
2020 (Richmond*/Geelong)
Hawks and Richmond happened in 3rd year of 3 flags run.

Brisbane, Hawks and Richmond had the same coach in the 3rd year of 3 flags and lost the QF away from home. Geelong in 3rd year of 3 flag run had a new first year coach Chris Scott, so they didn't lose their QF.


2016 (Sydney/Footscray*),
First year of finals bye and nothing much between 1st to 7th sides as per my previous post

2018 (Collingwood), 2019 (G.W.S.), , and 2021 (Footscray).

Collingwood produced a great 1st half of PF and defending premiers Richmond were the best side for the whole year but produced their worst performance for the year in the PF. No home PF advantage for Richmond playing Collingwood like 2017 v GWS and 2019 v Geelong.

2021 Melbourne and Bulldogs were 6-0. Previous 2 times we had 2 sides 6-0, both times both sides made GF.

Bulldogs had a poor last 3 weeks because of a couple of injuries, finished 5th by 0.5% but lost 9% in 3 weeks and Brisbane gained 9% in last 3 weeks to pinch 4th spot. If had of beaten Port in rd 23 would have finished 2nd. A bit of 2016 end of season situation, but nothing between 5 sides not 7.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Port in night games (game start 6-9pm) at Adelaide Oval:

2014: 2-2-0
2015: 3-2-0 (5-4-0)
2016: 2-4-0 (7-8-0)
2017: 3-3-0 (10-11-0)
2018: 3-2-0 (13-13-0)
2019: 2-3-0 (15-16-0)
2020: 3-2-0 (18-18-0)
2021: 5-4-0 (23-22-0)
2022: 0-2-0 (23-24-0)

Use of the term Portress has to be the most egregious case of false advertising since the time Firepower claimed their pills would eliminate peak oil and solve global warming.

 

[bomberclifford]

Use of the term Portress has to be the most egregious case of false advertising since the time Firepower claimed their pills would eliminate peak oil and solve global warming.

It should be dubbed The Mattress because we lay down and let others **** us on it.

 

[tribey]

It should be dubbed The Mattress because we lay down and let others fu** us on it.

Especially given the chances are higher when we’ve popped on the nightie.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Moving tribey's post around.

Saturday Night 8-17

1. R10 2014: Hawthorn (EOY: 2nd/) W 14
2. R16 2014: Essendon (7th) L 2
3. R20 2014: Sydney (1st/) L 26

5. R02 2015: Sydney (4th) L 48
6. R04 2015: Hawthorn (3rd/) W 8
7. R10 2015: Bulldogs (6th) W 38

11. R05 2016: Geelong (2nd) L 48


14. R21 2016: Melbourne (11th) L 40
15. R22 2016: Adelaide (5th) L 15
16. R03 2017: Adelaide (1st/) L 17

19. R15 2017: Richmond (3rd/) L 13
20. R23 2017: Gold Coast (17th) W 115
21. REF 2017: West Coast (8th) L 2
22. R05 2018: Geelong (8th) L 34


28. R08 2019: Adelaide (11th) L 20
29. R14 2019: Geelong (1st/) W 11
30. R15 2019: Bulldogs (7th) L 25
31. R19 2019: GWS (6th/) L 1
32. R02 2020: Adelaide (18th) W 75
33. R08 2020: St Kilda (6th) L 29


39. R08 2021: Adelaide (15th) W 49
40. R09 2021: Bulldogs (5th/) L 19

43. R21 2021: Adelaide (15th) W 4

45. RPF 2021: Bulldogs (5th/) L 71
46. R02 2022: Hawthorn (?) L 64

Thursday Night 4-3
9. R15 2015: Collingwood (12th) W 3
13. R16 2016: Hawthorn (3rd) L 22
18. R11 2017: Hawthorn (12th) W 51
24. R13 2018: Bulldogs (13th) W 57
35. RQF 2020: Geelong (4th/) W 16
41. R13 2021: Geelong (3rd) L 21
42. R17 2021: Melbourne (1st/) L 31


Friday Night 9-4
4. R22 2014: Carlton (13th) W 103
8. R11 2015: Geelong (10th) L 23
10. R03 2016: Essendon (18th) W 61
12. R15 2016: Richmond (13th) W 38
17. R05 2017: Carlton (16th) W 90
23. R12 2018: Richmond (1st/) W 14
25. R14 2018: Melbourne (5th) W 10
26. R23 2018: Essendon (11th) L 22
27. R06 2019: North Melb (12th) W 16
36. RPF 2020: Richmond (3rd/) L 6
37. R04 2021: Richmond (12th) W 2
44. RQF 2021: Geelong (3rd) W 43
47. R03 2022: Adelaide (?) L 4

Sunday Night 1-0
38. R06 2021: St Kilda (10th) W 54

Monday Night 1-0
34. R10 2020: Bulldogs (7th) W 13

Versus Top-8: 9-18
Versus Bottom-10: 14-4
Versus Yet To Be Determined: 0-2

 

[Port85]

xScore update:

Port 48.8 - 69.8 Melbourne (Actual 36-68)

So underperformed by about 2 goals on the chances we created.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

I think I was the first one to throw the night game thing out there on this forum ... and I have to say at the time I had not at all looked into or even thought about the stats to back it up, it was purely just a feeling based on my mind's eye envisaging the bulk of the disastrous defeats at AO to be under lights.

I'd be interested to see a breakdown of conditions in these games. We are absolutely terrible in dewy/ sort of wet conditions. Even 20/21 we had some disastrous games in slippery conditions. Dry is fine. Proper wet weather is fine but the in-between was our kryptonite. We'd be slipping around like it was wet whilst our opponents kept their feet. Would happen time and time again and resulted in players just waltzing into goals.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

CBAs - DFS Australia

Centre Bounce Attendances are available from the 2020 season. Average refers to the percentage of CBAs each player has attended for the season (considering only those games they have played). Each round is denoted as percentage of CBAs attended for that round. Centre Bounce Attendance Percentage...

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Centre bounce stoppages clearances

1. 11 v 12 Bris
2. 18 v 8 Haw
3. 13 V 10 Adel
4. 10 v 8 Melb

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Update at AO since Melbourne and WCE game


Night 23-25
Twlgt 24-12
Day.. 14-3
---------------
Total 61-39

With Fixture update

Night Rd 8 Fri WB,
Twigt Rd 11 Sun Ess, Rd 15 Sun GC
Day.. Rd 13 Sat Syd

Fri Night we are 9-4
Sat Arvo we are 8-2
Sun Twigt we are 7-7

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

After Rd 6 WCE game

If you look at our Saturday Twilight game loses, 3 of the 5 have been against WCE. Now its 1-3.

Night Games	Win	Lose
Thursday	4​	4​
Friday	9​	4​
Saturday	8​	17​
Sunday	1​	0​
Monday	1​	0​
Night Total	23​	25​
Day Games
Saturday	8​	2​
Sunday	6​	1​
Day Total	14​	3​
Twilight Games
Saturday	17​	5​
Sunday	7​	7​
Twilight Total	24​	12​
All Games	61​	40​

By Day of the week
Thursday.. 4-4
Friday.......9-4
Saturday 33-24
Sunday... 14-8
Monday.... 1-0
Total ..... 61-40

 

[Del165198]

Moving tribey's post around.

Saturday Night 8-17

1. R10 2014: Hawthorn (EOY: 2nd/) W 14
2. R16 2014: Essendon (7th) L 2
3. R20 2014: Sydney (1st/) L 26

5. R02 2015: Sydney (4th) L 48
6. R04 2015: Hawthorn (3rd/) W 8
7. R10 2015: Bulldogs (6th) W 38

11. R05 2016: Geelong (2nd) L 48


14. R21 2016: Melbourne (11th) L 40
15. R22 2016: Adelaide (5th) L 15
16. R03 2017: Adelaide (1st/) L 17

19. R15 2017: Richmond (3rd/) L 13
20. R23 2017: Gold Coast (17th) W 115
21. REF 2017: West Coast (8th) L 2
22. R05 2018: Geelong (8th) L 34


28. R08 2019: Adelaide (11th) L 20
29. R14 2019: Geelong (1st/) W 11
30. R15 2019: Bulldogs (7th) L 25
31. R19 2019: GWS (6th/) L 1
32. R02 2020: Adelaide (18th) W 75
33. R08 2020: St Kilda (6th) L 29


39. R08 2021: Adelaide (15th) W 49
40. R09 2021: Bulldogs (5th/) L 19

43. R21 2021: Adelaide (15th) W 4

45. RPF 2021: Bulldogs (5th/) L 71
46. R02 2022: Hawthorn (?) L 64

This really is quite something.

let's analyse those wins.

43. R21 2021: Adelaide (15th) W 4 - absolute rubbish team and barely got there, not a good win
39. R08 2021: Adelaide (15th) W 49 - par win
32. R02 2020: Adelaide (18th) W 75 - one of the worst teams of the modern era, almost irrelevant
29. R14 2019: Geelong (1st/) W 11 - GOOD WIN
20. R23 2017: Gold Coast (17th) W 115 - another absolute trash side, irrelevant win
7. R10 2015: Bulldogs (6th) W 38 - decent win
6. R04 2015: Hawthorn (3rd/) W 8 - GOOD WIN
1. R10 2014: Hawthorn (EOY: 2nd/) W 14 - GOOD WIN

so out of those 25 games, we've had 3 that you'd hang your hat on and say they were big games and we performed. You could stretch that to 4 with the bulldogs game in 2015, i guess. the rest have been wins against adelaide when they've been absolute garbage, or the SUNS.

absolutely damning statistics.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This really is quite something.

let's analyse those wins.

43. R21 2021: Adelaide (15th) W 4 - absolute rubbish team and barely got there, not a good win
39. R08 2021: Adelaide (15th) W 49 - par win
32. R02 2020: Adelaide (18th) W 75 - one of the worst teams of the modern era, almost irrelevant
29. R14 2019: Geelong (1st/) W 11 - GOOD WIN
20. R23 2017: Gold Coast (17th) W 115 - another absolute trash side, irrelevant win
7. R10 2015: Bulldogs (6th) W 38 - decent win
6. R04 2015: Hawthorn (3rd/) W 8 - GOOD WIN
1. R10 2014: Hawthorn (EOY: 2nd/) W 14 - GOOD WIN

so out of those 25 games, we've had 3 that you'd hang your hat on and say they were big games and we performed. You could stretch that to 4 with the bulldogs game in 2015, i guess. the rest have been wins against adelaide when they've been absolute garbage, or the SUNS.

absolutely damning statistics.

This is our Saturday night sequence at AO for our 8-17 record.

1st-4th WLLWLLLW ...... 3-5
5th-8th LWLLLLLLLL ......1-9
Bott 10 LWLWWW .........4-2
TBD..... L .....................0-1 Hawks will probably be a bottom 10 team

Most years the 5th-8th teams are sides that are at around our level.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So far after 8 Rds Port has kicked 82.98 vs 87.80. last year after Rd 8 when we were 6-2 it was 103.88 vs 77.91

Our shitty goal kicking conversion is worse than 2019 and 2020.

2016 300.255 vs 275.289 10-12 season
2017 313.290 vs 239.237 14-8 season
2018 259.226 vs 241.208 12-10 season
2019 257.264 vs 240.220 11-11 season
2020 168.177 vs 127.107 14-3 season
2021 275.228 vs 210.232 17-5 season

The only sides who have kicked less goals than us are;

15 GWS 79.89 vs 103.97
17 NM.. 70.55 vs 125.105
18 WCE 66.54 vs 128.97

But the other 9 sides outside the 8 have had more goals scored against them than Port' s opponents 87 goals, and 4 sides in the 8 have had more than 87 kicked against them - Geelong 89, Sydney 90, Richmond 93 and Carlton 95. Freo and Melbourne are the tight arse defences with only letting thru 66.63 and 69.75 respectively.

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AFL football statistics on AFL teams, games and players.

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Marshall has improved his goal kicking and Georiades has gone the other way. Port's top 6 goal kickers.

Marshall 14.2
Finlayson 9.9
SPP........ 9.6
Gray.......8.4
Motlop .. 7.5
Georgiades 7.11
Houston 5.6
Rozee... 3.4
Boak.... 3.5
......
Amon... 2.8
Wines... 2.5
........
Butters 1.4

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

MatterOfStats 2022 : Team Dashboard for Round 8 — Matter of Stats

The Ranking on Dashboard Metrics data appears below, and are probably most anomalous for Carlton who, despite sitting 4th on the competition ladder, are ranked no higher than 4th on any metric, and ranked 8th or lower on 9 of the metrics, including a number that are most correlated overall with team

www.matterofstats.com

The Ranking on Dashboard Metrics data appears below, and are probably most anomalous for Carlton who, despite sitting 4th on the competition ladder, are ranked no higher than 4th on any metric, and ranked 8th or lower on 9 of the metrics, including a number that are most correlated overall with teams’ ladder position. These include:

• The MoS Win Production Function
• Percentage of Quarters Won
• Goals and Points Conceded

Teams’ ranking on Own Scoring Shot Conversion continues to be only slightly correlated with their ladder position.

The full Team Dashboard appears below and shows that, amongst other things:

• Geelong have converted only 49% of their scoring shots into goals, but allowed their opponents to convert at around 59%
• Conversely, Richmond has converted at 59% but allowed their opponents to convert at only 45%, and Brisbane Lions has converted at 63% but allowed their opponents to convert at only 49%
• West Coast are still yet to win a Q2
• GWS is still yet to win a Q4
• Carlton have scored 59% of their points in the 1st half of games
• GWS have scored 63% of their points in the 1st half of games (and only 18% in Q3s)
• Port Adelaide have scored 60% of their points in Q2s and Q3s

..................

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This article was linked in the General thread but the Archived article when I went to the link it doesn't produce the tables for some reason. I have some access to it, so I put up 3 tables in the thread but thought i should repeat them here.

archived version of the Herald Sun story,

There are 5 tables, the first one below, then 2 tables list the plays with most frees for and another with the most frees against. Port don't have any players in either individual tables. The last 2 are for teams.

Free Kick Differential Ladder​

Club	For	Against	Diff
Western Bulldogs	204	154	+50
Collingwood	191	160	+31
Carlton	190	162	+28
Adelaide Crows	191	176	+15
Melbourne	177	163	+14
Essendon	172	166	+6
Brisbane Lions	176	173	+3
North Melbourne	188	185	+3
Fremantle	190	188	+2
St Kilda	179	182	-3
Port Adelaide	175	179	-4
Geelong Cats	175	180	-5
GWS Giants	168	180	-12
Hawthorn	167	180	-13
Gold Coast Suns	162	176	-14
West Coast Eagles	159	182	-23
Sydney Swans	171	198	-27
Richmond	150	201	-51

Free Kicks For​

Club	Holding The Man	Push	High Tackle	Holding The Ball
Adelaide Crows	45	24	55	29
Brisbane Lions	44	18	46	37
Carlton	58	28	33	43
Collingwood	44	22	44	45
Essendon	45	21	29	44
Fremantle	27	26	46	44
Geelong Cats	32	23	39	37
Gold Coast Suns	36	18	49	25
GWS Giants	41	26	36	38
Hawthorn	36	32	30	34
Melbourne	36	18	46	41
North Melbourne	43	30	50	39
Port Adelaide	44	17	38	35
Richmond	46	27	28	28
St Kilda	38	23	35	49
Sydney Swans	32	20	44	37
West Coast Eagles	32	20	35	31
Western Bulldogs	42	36	49	34

Free Kicks Against​

Club	Holding The Man	Push	High Tackle	Holding The Ball
Adelaide Crows	45	28	34	43
Brisbane Lions	46	24	36	35
Carlton	38	27	38	27
Collingwood	38	19	38	27
Essendon	36	18	43	32
Fremantle	47	23	41	44
Geelong Cats	35	32	48	32
Gold Coast Suns	35	25	42	40
GWS Giants	38	28	43	35
Hawthorn	32	16	47	45
Melbourne	34	27	33	34
North Melbourne	39	18	47	39
Port Adelaide	47	26	37	25
Richmond	43	28	50	39
St Kilda	41	26	34	36
Sydney Swans	43	26	47	53
West Coast Eagles	40	25	39	47
Western Bulldogs	44	13	35	37

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

With West Coast struggling and a couple of hours ago ruling out Shannon Hurn

25

Shannon Hurn

Age

37

Ht

187cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

15.7

5star

HB

5.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

389.5

5star

D

16.1

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

271.6

4star

D

19.0

5star

K

11.6

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

and Andrew Gaff

3

Andrew Gaff

Age

32

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.6

5star

K

15.9

5star

HB

10.7

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

24.5

5star

K

15.6

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

CL

2.5

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.6

3star

CL

0.6

3star

to add to their missing players, and playing Melbourne who could blitzkrieg them, thought I would track the biggest consecutive losses by clubs.

Will start with Port and those 3 or 4 weeks in late 2011, which will be a record for a long time.

Port 3 biggest consecutive losses total of 363 pts.

We lost Rd 23 by 7 pts to Essendon and won Rd 24 by 8 pts at AO against Melbourne after the game was shifted late in 2011.

R20​

H​

Collingwood

3.3​

21​

23.21​

159​

L​

-138​

2-0-16​

Football Park​

21863​

.​

R21​

A​

Hawthorn

5.2​

32​

31.11​

197​

L​

-165​

2-0-17​

M.C.G.​

27532​

.​

R22​

H​

Western Bulldogs

15.7​

97​

24.13​

157​

L​

-60​

2-0-18​

Football Park​

14169​

.​

4 biggest consecutive loss total of 395pts saw Port's % go from 69% to 61%.

The Rd 18 loss was 21 pts so a 5 game total of 416 pts.

R19​

A​

Adelaide

11.13​

79​

16.15​

111​

L​

-32​

2-0-15​

Football Park​

40586​

.​

R20​

H​

Collingwood

3.3​

21​

23.21​

159​

L​

-138​

2-0-16​

Football Park​

21863​

.​

R21​

A​

Hawthorn

5.2​

32​

31.11​

197​

L​

-165​

2-0-17​

M.C.G.​

27532​

.​

R22​

H​

Western Bulldogs

15.7​

97​

24.13​

157​

L​

-60​

2-0-18​

Football Park​

14169​

.​

WCE is going to give Port's and other clubs' 5 game total loss a good push if Melbourne put the pedal to the metal on Sunday.

WCE 4 game loss total is 331 pts.

R5​

H​

Sydney

9.4​

58​

18.13​

121​

L​

-63​

1-0-4​

Perth Stadium​

42888​

.​

R6​

A​

Port Adelaide

4.9​

33​

18.9​

117​

L​

-84​

1-0-5​

Adelaide Oval​

28587​

.​

R7​

H​

Richmond

8.8​

56​

25.15​

165​

L​

-109​

1-0-6​

Perth Stadium​

39430​

.​

R8​

A​

Brisbane Lions

4.6​

30​

16.9​

105​

L​

-75​

1-0-7​

Gabba​

19331​

.​

The GC and GWS had some shocking losses in their first couple of years and GC the odd year after that

Gold Coast 3 consecutive game losses total 280 pts in first part of 2011

R2​

H​

Carlton

7.10​

52​

26.15​

171​

L​

-119​

0-0-1​

Gabba​

27914​

.​

R3​

A​

Western Bulldogs

7.9​

51​

18.14​

122​

L​

-71​

0-0-2​

Docklands​

21373​

.​

R4​

H​

Melbourne

9.15​

69​

23.21​

159​

L​

-90​

0-0-3​

Gabba​

12111​

.​

GC 3 consecutive game losses total 273 pts in the second part of 2011

R20​

A​

Geelong

6.2​

38​

29.14​

188​

L​

-150​

3-0-15​

Kardinia Park​

24588​

.​

R21​

A​

Brisbane Lions

8.13​

61​

18.15​

123​

L​

-62​

3-0-16​

Gabba​

23565​

.​

R22​

H​

Adelaide

9.10​

64​

18.17​

125​

L​

-61​

3-0-17​

Carrara​

16168​

.​

4 consecutive game losses total 303 pts in the second part of 2011

R20​

A​

Geelong

6.2​

38​

29.14​

188​

L​

-150​

3-0-15​

Kardinia Park​

24588​

.​

R21​

A​

Brisbane Lions

8.13​

61​

18.15​

123​

L​

-62​

3-0-16​

Gabba​

23565​

.​

R22​

H​

Adelaide

9.10​

64​

18.17​

125​

L​

-61​

3-0-17​

Carrara​

16168​

.​

R23​

A​

Melbourne

12.10​

82​

17.10​

112​

L​

-30​

3-0-18​

M.C.G.​

21534​

.​

4 consecutive game losses total 359 pts in 2016

R6​

A​

Geelong

7.6​

48​

25.18​

168​

L​

-120​

3-0-3​

Kardinia Park​

23007​

.​

R7​

H​

Melbourne

14.3​

87​

24.16​

160​

L​

-73​

3-0-4​

Carrara​

12780​

.​

R8​

A​

Greater Western Sydney

9.4​

58​

22.17​

149​

L​

-91​

3-0-5​

Showground​

8308​

.​

R9​

H​

Adelaide

11.8​

74​

22.17​

149​

L​

-75​

3-0-6​

Carrara​

11692​

.​

5 consecutive game losses total 347 pts in the second part of 2011

R18​

H​

Collingwood

11.9​

75​

19.15​

129​

L​

-54​

3-0-13​

Carrara​

23302​

.​

R19​

H​

St Kilda

6.18​

54​

10.14​

74​

L​

-20​

3-0-14​

Carrara​

17482​

.​

R20​

A​

Geelong

6.2​

38​

29.14​

188​

L​

-150​

3-0-15​

Kardinia Park​

24588​

.​

R21​

A​

Brisbane Lions

8.13​

61​

18.15​

123​

L​

-62​

3-0-16​

Gabba​

23565​

.​

R22​

H​

Adelaide

9.10​

64​

18.17​

125​

L​

-61​

3-0-17​

Carrara​

16168​

.​

5 consecutive game losses total 436 pts in 2016

R6​

A​

Geelong

7.6​

48​

25.18​

168​

L​

-120​

3-0-3​

Kardinia Park​

23007​

.​

R7​

H​

Melbourne

14.3​

87​

24.16​

160​

L​

-73​

3-0-4​

Carrara​

12780​

.​

R8​

A​

Greater Western Sydney

9.4​

58​

22.17​

149​

L​

-91​

3-0-5​

Showground​

8308​

.​

R9​

H​

Adelaide

11.8​

74​

22.17​

149​

L​

-75​

3-0-6​

Carrara​

11692​

.​

R10​

A​

West Coast

7.13​

55​

20.12​

132​

L​

-77​

3-0-7​

Subiaco​

34945​

.​

Greater Western Sydney 3 consecutive game losses total 375 pts in the second part of 2012

R14​

A​

Sydney

5.8​

38​

19.18​

132​

L​

-94​

1-0-12​

Stad. Aust.​

22565​

.​

R15​

A​

Hawthorn

4.7​

31​

28.25​

193​

L​

-162​

1-0-13​

M.C.G.​

26518​

.​

R16​

H​

Adelaide

8.11​

59​

27.16​

178​

L​

-119​

1-0-14​

Showground​

7669​

.​

3 consecutive game losses total 318 pts in the first part of 2013

R7​

H​

Adelaide

7.10​

52​

29.13​

187​

L​

-135​

0-0-7​

Showground​

5830​

.​

R8​

A​

Hawthorn

9.3​

57​

21.14​

140​

L​

-83​

0-0-8​

York Park​

10513​

​

R9​

H​

West Coast

8.7​

55​

23.17​

155​

L​

-100​

0-0-9​

Showground​

6324​

.​

4 consecutive game losses total 470 pts in the second part of 2012

R14​

A​

Sydney

5.8​

38​

19.18​

132​

L​

-94​

1-0-12​

Stad. Aust.​

22565​

.​

R15​

A​

Hawthorn

4.7​

31​

28.25​

193​

L​

-162​

1-0-13​

M.C.G.​

26518​

.​

R16​

H​

Adelaide

8.11​

59​

27.16​

178​

L​

-119​

1-0-14​

Showground​

7669​

,​

R17​

A​

Fremantle

5.7​

37​

18.24​

132​

L​

-95​

1-0-15​

Subiaco​

28767​

.​

4 consecutive game losses total 412 pts in the first part of 2013

R7​

H​

Adelaide

7.10​

52​

29.13​

187​

L​

-135​

0-0-7​

Showground​

5830​

.​

R8​

A​

Hawthorn

9.3​

57​

21.14​

140​

L​

-83​

0-0-8​

York Park​

10513​

.​

R9​

H​

West Coast

8.7​

55​

23.17​

155​

L​

-100​

0-0-9​

Showground​

6324​

.​

R10​

A​

Carlton

8.6​

54​

22.16​

148​

L​

-94​

0-0-10​

Docklands​

25008​

.​

5 consecutive game losses total 590 pts in the second part of 2012

R14​

A​

Sydney

5.8​

38​

19.18​

132​

L​

-94​

1-0-12​

Stad. Aust.​

22565​

.​

R15​

A​

Hawthorn

4.7​

31​

28.25​

193​

L​

-162​

1-0-13​

M.C.G.​

26518​

.​

R16​

H​

Adelaide

8.11​

59​

27.16​

178​

L​

-119​

1-0-14​

Showground​

7669​

.​

R17​

A​

Fremantle

5.7​

37​

18.24​

132​

L​

-95​

1-0-15​

Subiaco​

28767​

.​

R18​

H​

Collingwood

7.12​

54​

26.18​

174​

L​

-120​

1-0-16​

Showground​

8102​

.​

5 consecutive game losses total 471 pts in the first part of 2013

R7​

H​

Adelaide

7.10​

52​

29.13​

187​

L​

-135​

0-0-7​

Showground​

5830​

.​

R8​

A​

Hawthorn

9.3​

57​

21.14​

140​

L​

-83​

0-0-8​

York Park​

10513​

.​

R9​

H​

West Coast

8.7​

55​

23.17​

155​

L​

-100​

0-0-9​

Showground​

6324​

.​

R10​

A​

Carlton

8.6​

54​

22.16​

148​

L​

-94​

0-0-10​

Docklands​

25008​

.​

R11​

H​

Geelong

15.8​

98​

24.13​

157​

L​

-59​

0-0-11​

Showground​

7809​

.​

6 consecutive game losses total 668 pts in the second part of 2012 - streak stopped when they beat Port

R13​

A​

Melbourne

9.3​

57​

20.15​

135​

L​

-78​

1-0-11​

M.C.G.​

20070​

.​

R14​

A​

Sydney

5.8​

38​

19.18​

132​

L​

-94​

1-0-12​

Stad. Aust.​

22565​

.​

R15​

A​

Hawthorn

4.7​

31​

28.25​

193​

L​

-162​

1-0-13​

M.C.G.​

26518​

.​

R16​

H​

Adelaide

8.11​

59​

27.16​

178​

L​

-119​

1-0-14​

Showground​

7669​

.​

R17​

A​

Fremantle

5.7​

37​

18.24​

132​

L​

-95​

1-0-15​

Subiaco​

28767​

.​

R18​

H​

Collingwood

7.12​

54​

26.18​

174​

L​

-120​

1-0-16​

Showground​

8102​

.​

6 consecutive game losses total 546 pts in the first part of 2013

R7​

H​

Adelaide

7.10​

52​

29.13​

187​

L​

-135​

0-0-7​

Showground​

5830​

.​

R8​

A​

Hawthorn

9.3​

57​

21.14​

140​

L​

-83​

0-0-8​

York Park​

10513​

.​

R9​

H​

West Coast

8.7​

55​

23.17​

155​

L​

-100​

0-0-9​

Showground​

6324​

.​

R10​

A​

Carlton

8.6​

54​

22.16​

148​

L​

-94​

0-0-10​

Docklands​

25008​

.​

R11​

H​

Geelong

15.8​

98​

24.13​

157​

L​

-59​

0-0-11​

Showground​

7809​

.​

R12​

H​

Port Adelaide

6.14​

50​

19.11​

125​

L​

-75​

0-0-12​

Showground​

6601​

.​

7 consecutive game losses total 632 pts in the first part of 2013

R7​

H​

Adelaide

7.10​

52​

29.13​

187​

L​

-135​

0-0-7​

Showground​

5830​

.​

R8​

A​

Hawthorn

9.3​

57​

21.14​

140​

L​

-83​

0-0-8​

York Park​

10513​

.​

R9​

H​

West Coast

8.7​

55​

23.17​

155​

L​

-100​

0-0-9​

Showground​

6324​

.​

R10​

A​

Carlton

8.6​

54​

22.16​

148​

L​

-94​

0-0-10​

Docklands​

25008​

.​

R11​

H​

Geelong

15.8​

98​

24.13​

157​

L​

-59​

0-0-11​

Showground​

7809​

.​

R12​

H​

Port Adelaide

6.14​

50​

19.11​

125​

L​

-75​

0-0-12​

Showground​

6601​

.​

R14​

A​

North Melbourne

6.8​

44​

19.16​

130​

L​

-86​

0-0-13​

Docklands​

15438​

.​

Below are the worst percentages in a home and away season. St Kilda, Fitzroy and Melbourne have quite a few seasons that challenge the above records.

St Kilda's first 6 seasons in the VFL are the worst percentages recorded. They didn't win a game until Rd 1 of their 4th season and only 2 in 6 seasons. But they were the days of low scoring so they wont challenge the above cases, outside of one or two 3 game losses totals, but some of their other wooden spoon seasons do - they have 27 of them and 24 before expansion in 1987.

Fitroy's last couple of years were really sad and they regularly got smashed, along with the 1960's when they were poor and didn't win a game one year and only won 1 or 2 other seasons.

Will do their lists a bit later.

No surprise GC 2011, and GWS 2012 and 2013 make the top 10 list since 1945

West Coast ipercentage is 52.0% after 8 rounds/ If it stays around that it will join the top 10 worst seasons for percentage since 1945. And if North stays at 55% they to will sneak in.

AFL Tables - Season Records ...................................... AFL Tables - Season Records

Worst percentages home and away ............................ Worst percentages since 1945

Team

P

W

D

L

For

Agn

%

Year

Team

P

W

D

L

For

Agn

%

Year

St Kilda

17​

0​

17​

323​

1391​

23.22​

1899​

St Kilda

18​

1​

17​

861​

1897​

45.39​

1955​

St Kilda

14​

0​

14​

280​

966​

28.99​

1897​

GWS

22​

2​

20​

1270​

2751​

46.17​

2012​

St Kilda

17​

1​

16​

414​

1288​

32.14​

1901​

Fitzroy

22​

1​

21​

1452​

2935​

49.47​

1996​

St Kilda

17​

0​

17​

410​

1255​

32.67​

1898​

Hawthorn

18​

0​

18​

1022​

2052​

49.81​

1950​

St Kilda

17​

1​

16​

439​

1172​

37.46​

1900​

GWS

22​

1​

21​

1524​

2990​

50.97​

2013​

St Kilda

17​

0​

17​

490​

1170​

41.88​

1902​

Fitzroy

18​

1​

17​

1004​

1865​

53.83​

1966​

Melbourne

16​

0​

16​

647​

1506​

42.96​

1919​

Melbourne

22​

2​

20​

1455​

2691​

54.07​

2013​

St Kilda

18​

1​

17​

861​

1897​

45.39​

1955​

Gold Coa

22​

3​

19​

1534​

2726​

56.27​

2011​

GWS

22​

2​

20​

1270​

2751​

46.17​

2012​

Fitzroy

18​

1​

17​

986​

1716​

57.46​

1963​

Carlton

17​

2​

15​

476​

1013​

46.99​

1901​

Fitzroy

22​

2​

20​

1617​

2780​

58.17​

1995​

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Revisiting Defensive Efficiency

Last year I looked at defensive efficiency. I've defined this as the amount of goals the opposition scores per inside 50 conceded . It is better to have a lower percentage for this statistic (i.e. you want to be conceding less goals per inside 50 conceded). This is the refreshed result for this statistic for all 18 clubs over 2020-2022 YTD.



As expected, Port sit very high in terms of this rating. Only 20% of our inside 50s result in an opposition goal, which places us second behind Melbourne who are at 19.3%. Cellar dweller clubs in North Melbourne, Essendon and Adelaide sit at the bottom of the rating with results around ~24%.

To give some context, a typical team will get around 50 i50s in a game. If the team with the best defensive efficiency (i.e. Melbourne) was playing the team with the worst (i.e. North), then the better team would only need to be within 10 i50s to score equal or more goals. So a team like North needs a really significant midfield advantage against a team like Melbourne to win the game.

In summary our defence over this period has been very good and this has been important in our ability to win games of football.

Defending against Talls

Tall players kick the largest proportion of goals in AFL football by player height groupings. If you define a tall player as being over 190cm, then tall players have kicked about 42% of goals whilst medium and small players have kicked 27% and 30% respectively. So defending against tall players is important.

There has been some criticism about how we defend against tall forwards and the quality of our tall defenders. But is that warranted?

We can check this by looking at our defensive efficiency for specifically tall players. That is the amount of goals that opposition tall players (height >= 190cm) kick normalised by the amount of i50s conceded. This statistic is shown in the below chart for the same time period (2020-2022).



It is evident that our efficiency against tall players is very middle of the pack. Top teams such as Geelong, Brisbane and Melbourne have efficiencies of around 8% whilst we sit more around 9%. Interestingly, the only other recent top 8 team that has a worse efficiency is the Bulldogs. GWS surprisingly perform very well in this statistic, but I guess they do have a collection of very good tall defenders in Taylor, Haynes and Davis.

This shows that our defence against tall forwards is quite average and our overall defensive rating is propped up by exceptional defence against small and medium sized players.

Although our tall defenders are certainly not the worst in the competition, they are very far away from being in the elite grouping like teams such as GWS, Geelong, Brisbane etc.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I began the "big consecutive losses' watch above to see how WCE go this year. But North are up there both with about 55%

WheeloRatings put up these stats on the Football Statistics board in this thread.

WCE wont beat any record cummulative pts loss set by GWS, GC, StKilda, Port, Fitzroy, Brisbane, Melbourne or others but they are going to meet and beat a few totals by other clubs.

WCE lost by 52 pts today so they go to 6 in a row of 50+pts consecutive losses and North did well to only lose by 47 pts and stop their streak at 5.

Stats questions

I'm sure you've all seen score timelines (aka the 'worm') on the AFL.com.au website (like the one below). Does anyone know (i) when these timelines started being used (ii) are the old ones still available and (iii) whether these timelines have been converted to some form of statistical table...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[GremioPower]

I began the "big consecutive losses' watch above to see how WCE go this year. But North are up there both with about 55%

WheeloRatings put up these stats on the Football Statistics board in this thread.

WCE wont beat any record cummulative pts loss set by GWS, GC, StKilda, Port, Fitzroy, Brisbane, Melbourne or others but they are going to meet and beat a few totals by other clubs.

WCE lost by 52 pts today so they go to 6 in a row of 50+pts consecutive losses and North did well to only lose by 47 pts and stop their streak at 5.

Stats questions

I'm sure you've all seen score timelines (aka the 'worm') on the AFL.com.au website (like the one below). Does anyone know (i) when these timelines started being used (ii) are the old ones still available and (iii) whether these timelines have been converted to some form of statistical table...

www.bigfooty.com

Is there a stat on %? I mean, wouldn’t a 85-30 loss (35.29%) be way worse than a 125-80 loss (64.00%)?

SA %
85-30 (26.09%)
125-80 (39.02%)

They are both 50+, but they seem to be very different.

If so, a 40+pt loss could actually be worse than a 50+pt loss. Still, that wouldn’t be shown in the stat above.


WheeloRatings

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Is there a stat on %? I mean, wouldn’t a 85-30 loss (35.29%) be way worse than a 125-80 loss (64.00%)?

SA %
85-30 (26.09%)
125-80 (39.02%)

They are both 50+, but they seem to be very different.

If so, a 40+pt loss could actually be worse than a 50+pt loss. Still, that wouldn’t be shown in the stat above.


WheeloRatings

I dont know of any and I doubt anyone has.

There are always stats of biggest winning/losing margins by points not percentage.

I have said it before as well as highlighted in this thread, if you end a season with less than 60% then you are in record territorty for a poor season as per the tables at the end of my post #45 above.

Plus the game has changed and scoring is down, so 5 x 50pt consecutive losses today might be like 5 x 70pt loses in the 1980s and 1990s when scoring was higher.

But it is just too hard to have a list of losses to differentiate by % rather than points.

 

[GremioPower]

I dont know of any and I doubt anyone has.

There are always stats of biggest winning/losing margins by points not percentage.

I have said it before as well as highlighted in this thread, if you end a season with less than 60% then you are in record territorty for a poor season as per the tables at the end of my post #45 above.

Plus the game has changed and scoring is down, so 5 x 50pt consecutive losses todat might be like 5 x 70pt loses in the 1980s and 1990s when scoring was higher.

But it is just too hard to have alist of losses to differentiate by % rather than points.

I know. And it is weird!

The sport doesn’t use point differential, but percentage. And yet for isolated games, percentages are disregarded.

Once, I’ve tried to check whether something like a “% differential” (just adding up game % for the season) would be a better measure than pure %, but I gave up. Too much work.