2nds AFC 2022 SANFL Thread

[Bearded Clam]

I mean we drafted the kleptomaniac known as Lawrence Angwin.

McAsey is a bust, but it's going to take into diving into some real shit bloke territory to replace young Angwin.

Angwin was nearly 25 years ago.. the science of drafting and analysis wasnt as advanced as it is these days..

Could easily be argued that mistakes these days with such high picks isnt as acceptable..

 

[hey shorty]

Angwin was nearly 25 years ago.. the science of drafting and analysis wasnt as advanced as it is these days..

Could easily be argued that mistakes these days with such high picks isnt as acceptable..

Picking the best KPD in the draft, who was his rep teams MVP ahead of Rowell and Anderson, the analysis was sound.

That he's flopped is another question, and there's a number of reasons

 

[Bearded Clam]

He's contracted for another year, he's got time.

Poor game yesterday no question, but I'm not into writing players off as early as some.

The problem is that he’s not shown a drop of improvement for nearly 2 and a half years.. if anything he’s gone backwards.

Your constant defending of this and other things is reaching ludicrous levels.. but.. each to their own. You have the right to your own opinion.

 

[cleanhands]

I think we will offer him another 2 years since KPD/KPF take longer to develop.

Are we going to try him as a ruckman for two years

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The problem is that he’s not shown a drop of improvement for nearly 2 and a half years.. if anything he’s gone backwards.

Your constant defending of this and other things is reaching ludicrous levels.. but.. each to their own. You have the right to your own opinion.

Weitering was the worse #1 pick ...KPD ...in his first 2 -3 years ...and he didn't have to deal with not playing in a pandemic

 

[Mutineer]

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Weitering was the worse #1 pick ...KPD ...in his first 2 -3 years ...and he didn't have to deal with not playing in a pandemic

Wetering was a rising star nominee in his 3rd AFL game (round 3), averaged 14.6 disposals and 5.3 marks a game in his 1st season.

McAsey 6.4 disposals and 2.1 marks in his 1st season.

Nice try but no cigar.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Right from when McAsey keeled over on his first preseason run at the club he's struggled unfortunately

Doesn't seem to be showing a lot of progress sadly

 

[CrowinNT]

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Weitering was the worse #1 pick ...KPD ...in his first 2 -3 years ...and he didn't have to deal with not playing in a pandemic

Ugh ?
I am not really following this WW

 

[CrowinNT]

Right from when McAsey keeled over on his first preseason run at the club he's struggled unfortunately

Doesn't seem to be showing a lot of progress sadly

You watch this weeks SANFL match
Admittedly I haven’t got to watch the last quarter yet
He doesn’t have a lot of footy brains
Who hand balls from the boundary line In Glenelgs attack zone - 3 to 1
Cant take a mark
Just a jogging cone
Yeah I am furious
No progress at all

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Right from when McAsey keeled over on his first preseason run at the club he's struggled unfortunately

Doesn't seem to be showing a lot of progress sadly

To succeed at AFL level, need to have mental toughness.

I'm worried McAsey isn't showing any signs of having it.

1st year we threw him to the wolves & he did ok considering.

Not many positives signs since & he has regressed.

When did he last play a cracking game?

 

[FR0GGY]

Ugh ?
I am not really following this WW

Isn’t he suggesting big guys take time and Mcasey has had to deal with developing during Covid. (2020)

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

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Weitering was the worse #1 pick ...KPD ...in his first 2 -3 years ...and he didn't have to deal with not playing in a pandemic

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He had a very good debut year finishing 3rd in the rising star. He went a little bit backwards in the next couple of years, but it was evident from the first year there was a player there.

 

[Mutineer]

To succeed at AFL level, need to have mental toughness.

I'm worried McAsey isn't showing any signs of having it.

1st year we threw him to the wolves & he did ok considering.

Not many positives signs since & he has regressed.

When did he last play a cracking game?

Vic Metro vs Allies June 28 2019 Simonds Stadium

 

[jenny61_99]

Not living in Adelaide, I don't see the SANFL games live.

I wasn't aware that Nicks was so game day involved with the reserves. Does he (and assistant coaches, leadership group) attend these games often?

I would certainly hope that he is involved! Goodness, how else does he make a decision as to who is pressing for selection? But I personally don’t know (as I live in QLD, but someone I know was at the game and saw/heard this particular exchange.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

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Weitering was the worse #1 pick ...KPD ...in his first 2 -3 years ...and he didn't have to deal with not playing in a pandemic

Jacob Weitering takes 17 marks in VFL return from injury

It was a big day for the number one draft pick and a few other young Blues.

www.sen.com.au

Weitering had an up and down 2nd and 3rd year but his first year and 4th onwards were all clear evidence that his talent was beyond that of most. The only time he was dropped to the VFL he absolutely dominated all over the ground.

I am quite intrigued with Mccasey, I liked him in his first year despite his low output in general and actually would really love the Blues to target him. Seemed to have a lot of courage and strong hands which I figured would be enough to see him make it.

I understand he's a bit slow and may not read the ball as well as the best of the best but Weiterings certainly not quick, nor are many KPDs in the league.

Sometimes it can take longer for KPPs to develop as the level of physicality required is extremely high. Carlton were lucky to have Jones and Casboult in their ranks for the development phase of rebuilding, which although they were never best in the league types, they played extremely physical brands and when I went down to trainings McKay, Curnow and Weitering would spend huge portions of time after training just practising wrestling and practising one on one marking contests against the two. I think it could be a case of the Crows KPP lacking the strong contested aerial game and physicality needed at trainings to fast track the development of the young talls and thus a few - Fischer included - may just be a slow burn until they can collectively build that amongst the group as they grow into their AFL bodies.

To this day I haven't seen any reason in his physical traits or game sense to think he can't make it. He just needs to find consistency and strength in the contest

If he were to end up at the Blues I'd be wrapt and I certainly think with time he will end up a quality tall in the league wherever he's playing his footy

 

[Mutineer]

Jacob Weitering takes 17 marks in VFL return from injury

It was a big day for the number one draft pick and a few other young Blues.

www.sen.com.au

Weitering had an up and down 2nd and 3rd year but his first year and 4th onwards were all clear evidence that his talent was beyond that of most. The only time he was dropped to the VFL he absolutely dominated all over the ground.

I am quite intrigued with Mccasey, I liked him in his first year despite his low output in general and actually would really love the Blues to target him. Seemed to have a lot of courage and strong hands which I figured would be enough to see him make it.

I understand he's a bit slow and may not read the ball as well as the best of the best but Weiterings certainly not quick, nor are many KPDs in the league.

Sometimes it can take longer for KPPs to develop as the level of physicality required is extremely high. Carlton were lucky to have Jones and Casboult in their ranks for the development phase of rebuilding, which although they were never best in the league types, they played extremely physical brands and when I went down to trainings McKay, Curnow and Weitering would spend huge portions of time after training just practising wrestling and practising one on one marking contests against the two. I think it could be a case of the Crows KPP lacking the strong contested aerial game and physicality needed at trainings to fast track the development of the young talls and thus a few - Fischer included - may just be a slow burn until they can collectively build that amongst the group as they grow into their AFL bodies.

To this day I haven't seen any reason in his physical traits or game sense to think he can't make it. He just needs to find consistency and strength in the contest

If he were to end up at the Blues I'd be wrapt and I certainly think with time he will end up a quality tall in the league wherever he's playing his footy

Try ahgain, if there's one thing Taylor Walker and Darcy Fogarty don't lack is physicality when training against them....and then there's Nick Murray whose strength and physicality both aerially and body on body would be right up there with the the best AFL KPP's.

There is absolutely no getting away from the fact Fischer has been really disappointing on whatever markers you care to use.
I thought it might be a case of not wanting to be here but then he re-signed so that theory went out the window, sure he's had personal challenges on a family level but he really does need to extract the digit or his AFL career will pass him by like a warm summer breeze.

 

[FR0GGY]

Try ahgain, if there's one thing Taylor Walker and Darcy Fogarty don't lack is physicality when training against them....and then there's Nick Murray whose strength and physicality both aerially and body on body would be right up there with the the best AFL KPP's.

There is absolutely no getting away from the fact Fischer has been really disappointing on whatever markers you care to use.
I thought it might be a case of not wanting to be here but then he re-signed so that theory went out the window, sure he's had personal challenges on a family level but he really does need to extract the digit or his AFL career will pass him by like a warm summer breeze.

What do you put it down to? Our development of him or some players just don’t translate their junior game into the seniors?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Vic Metro vs Allies June 28 2019 Simonds Stadium

That's a long time between drinks!

So he hasn't ever had a cracking game in Crow's colours...

 

[Golumless]

Angwin was nearly 25 years ago.. the science of drafting and analysis wasnt as advanced as it is these days..

Could easily be argued that mistakes these days with such high picks isnt as acceptable..

Yup, however if we're talking all time bad picks, it takes a lot to beat a pick 6 kleptomaniac.

Mistakes with high picks are going to happen, and league wide, they're going to happen pretty regularly. Drafting is not a science, and if we're being realistic, it's not even the important part. The important part is what you do with a kid after you draft him, and how you develop them. In most, if not all drafts, there will always be the odd slip up in the top 10. The kid who was a poor fit for the club (or became it with future moves), the kid who had some intriguing tools, but didn't have a game to build into a AFL player, the kid who didn't have the mentality for it, the kid who got wrecked by injuries etc.

 

[cleanhands]

That's a long time between drinks!

So he hasn't ever had a cracking game in Crow's colours...

Senior football

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Try ahgain, if there's one thing Taylor Walker and Darcy Fogarty don't lack is physicality when training against them....and then there's Nick Murray whose strength and physicality both aerially and body on body would be right up there with the the best AFL KPP's.

There is absolutely no getting away from the fact Fischer has been really disappointing on whatever markers you care to use.
I thought it might be a case of not wanting to be here but then he re-signed so that theory went out the window, sure he's had personal challenges on a family level but he really does need to extract the digit or his AFL career will pass him by like a warm summer breeze.

I don't think anyone would argue that Tex hasnt been miles better than a Casboult or Jones, but Tex has never been a high level contested mark nor has he been a really strong contest player for the last 3-4 years. Even today with Levi on his last legs up at Gold Coast he provides an enormous physical presence in the air. Jones lost a record low amount of one on one contests last year with only 1 lost out of 101 according to champion data. Darcy Fogarty is just a no comment, he's not physical in the contest at all he's just a big sniper who enjoys trying to rough up blokes but he doesn't present or crash packs even on his best days.

I think there's every likelihood that this is a possibility, it's very difficult to perform and train towards beating the best if you don't have the opportunity to practice what is quite a niche skill. You can kick to kick with spuds all you want and practice clean hands or running, but you actually need someone whos skilled in grappling to practice those kinds of skills. Similar to Judo skill acquisition or BJJ

And also I'm not disagreeing that he's been disappointing so far, but it's either a development issue or attitude issue. I see all the physical characteristics for him to make it in the AFL... hell Josh Schaches couldnt beat up up butterfly and he's still plodding along for the Dogs.

 

[cleanhands]

I don't think anyone would argue that Tex hasnt been miles better than a Casboult or Jones, but Tex has never been a high level contested mark nor has he been a really strong contest player for the last 3-4 years. Even today with Levi on his last legs up at Gold Coast he provides an enormous physical presence in the air. Jones lost a record low amount of one on one contests last year with only 1 lost out of 101 according to champion data. Darcy Fogarty is just a no comment, he's not physical in the contest at all he's just a big sniper who enjoys trying to rough up blokes but he doesn't present or crash packs even on his best days.

I think there's every likelihood that this is a possibility, it's very difficult to perform and train towards beating the best if you don't have the opportunity to practice what is quite a niche skill. You can kick to kick with spuds all you want and practice clean hands or running, but you actually need someone whos skilled in grappling to practice those kinds of skills. Similar to Judo skill acquisition or BJJ

And also I'm not disagreeing that he's been disappointing so far, but it's either a development issue or attitude issue. I see all the physical characteristics for him to make it in the AFL... he'll Josh Schaches couldnt beat up up butterfly and he's still plodding along for the Dogs.

Sniper?

 

[MRB37]

Thoughts after watching the replay.

Thought Schoenberg started off really well, had a good I50 entry to Wright who hit the post on the set shot, then a nice fend-off and inboard pass, but struggled mostly after that. Absolutely horrid run to start the 2nd quarter, looks absolutey sapped of any confidence.

Probably the best game I've seen from Newchurch from a physicality and defensive effort perspective. Was a really good example about 8 minutes into the game where he was chasing his man in the centre square, Glenelg player handballed to the Horsnell on the wing about 20m away and Newchurch kept at it and easily caught up to Horsnell and laid in a nice bump as he was disposing of the ball. Those sorts of efforts are what I think will turn the coaches eye towards him getting selected cause the offensive element there in using his speed to be able to kick goals or set up scores, but if he can add in the defensive element consistently too, then you've got something.

Parnell's ball use is great, really need to see if he can handle AFL pressure at some point.

This has probably been the most consistent patch of form i've seen from Hamill since he came to the club. Really looks settled and using his speed well across half back. The trick will be if we bring him back up to AFL level and start expecting him to be more of a lock-down defender.

Thilthorpe's 3 goals in the 1st all came in the goal square with Jordan Moore on him with Thilly just nudging him out of contests at the right time, but not sure if that's what the coaches want to be seeing exactly. Got pushed further out of the goal square in the 2nd half and really struggled outside of the ruck to make an impact when he had to be more aggressive in the air.

Worrell is our best performing defender currently. I'm not sure Murray has much defensive nous, he just hurls his body into marking contests, which probably makes him more suited to being a forward. Had a kick-in that made Brodie Smith

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Brodie Smith

Age

33

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

look like he can kick as far as I can, hauled it from one foot in the goal square to Strachan in the middle of the ground.

Struggled at times to get the handball running game going which caused some turnovers in the back half and then when we did go by foot couldn't hit targets cleanly. We had a 7 goal lead at half-time, but honestly if you weren't looking at the scoreboard you'd think it was a 7 point game. And as bad as we were skills wise in the 2nd quarter, Glenelg were even worse and wasted a ton of opportunities. We inflated the score a tad in the final couple of minutes of the 2nd with nothing I50 entry to a pack that Newchurch roved and sped away from for a goal and then another where we almost turned it over getting the handball running up, but snuck one out to the wing with Hall finding Fogarty inside 50.

That turned around in the 3rd quarter, Glenelg started moving the ball around better to nullify our pressure in the contests and had no issue working it around the outer side and down the wing where they had acres of space. Our midfielders couldn't get their hands on it and our forward line didn't do much. Glenelg started getting one on one's inside 50 and guys like McBean and Hosie started clunking some marks. Glenelg are certainly an experienced and successful enough side that they don't drop their heads and had ultimate belief that they could get back in this one which they did. We just kept forcing the handballs and messed up trying to get the handball running game going where we'd handball to a player with his back to the forward 50 in traffic, so he has to move the ball backwards to avoid being tackled or use the ball. Then watch how Glenelg immediately after position themselves for the handball receive, they stand sideways to the D50/F50 so they have options left/right in moving it forward or backwards rather than just going backwards.

Overall, this felt more like the inexperienced side of the youth showing up, though i'd be questioning how much better we are with a guy like Davis on the list compared to a proper rookie selection who has some potential upside.

 

[MRB37]

Not living in Adelaide, I don't see the SANFL games live.

I wasn't aware that Nicks was so game day involved with the reserves. Does he (and assistant coaches, leadership group) attend these games often?

Always see a bunch of coaches and players head down to SANFL games when they've got the opportunity to.

One thing always stuck out to me though, of the past 3 captains there was only 1 I used to see at SANFL games and that was Tex. Not saying they never go, but I never saw VB or Sloane at the games and pre-COVID I went to at least 8-10 Crows SANFL games a year. If they were there they weren't hanging around with the other players that would show up.

 

[thebirdman 24]

McAsey has become our second Meesen.

Meesen > Mcasey.

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