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That was cued for this year and it evidently hasn’t happened.
Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’
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Lockett (191cm) and Dunstall (188cm) kicked bags as mid sized forwards because the ball moved so much quicker back then. Players would take a mark, push back 3m then turn, play on, and kick long to the space in front of the CHF/FF. The smaller players knew where the ball was going and got front and square. Pretty simple really.
The gut running from mids and half forwards was to get to the front of the next contest, not to get back into your zone defence like today.
Backmen if they're any good, should be able to hold their own one on one. If you need to implement a zone requiring mids to burn huge amounts of fuel running backwards to plug holes, maybe the problem is the defenders.
It's counter-productive as well because the mids don't have the energy to repeat run forward and create good scoring opportunities. Ex dockers under Lyon have said it. They ran out of legs and miss shots on goal late in games.
If Simpson was serious about quicker ball movement, he'd have instructed them to play on wherever possible and take more risk, use the corridor. And I reckon that's why the replacements beat Collingwood. They just played footy on instinct.
The gut running from mids and half forwards was to get to the front of the next contest, not to get back into your zone defence like today.
Backmen if they're any good, should be able to hold their own one on one. If you need to implement a zone requiring mids to burn huge amounts of fuel running backwards to plug holes, maybe the problem is the defenders.
It's counter-productive as well because the mids don't have the energy to repeat run forward and create good scoring opportunities. Ex dockers under Lyon have said it. They ran out of legs and miss shots on goal late in games.
If Simpson was serious about quicker ball movement, he'd have instructed them to play on wherever possible and take more risk, use the corridor. And I reckon that's why the replacements beat Collingwood. They just played footy on instinct.
How many coaches have stayed and rebuilt a team, after being there for almost 10 years? It generally doesn't happen.
The call needs to be made (hopefully at some point this year), a fresh start is needed
The call needs to be made (hopefully at some point this year), a fresh start is needed
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The club has far bigger problems than gameplay and it’s zone defense. Something has been seriously wrong for a long time. It wouldn’t matter what Simpson changed, there’s not enough effort or care factor. You bring 2 experienced assistant coaches in and things get worse. Graham jumped at the right time. Club won’t get sorted without new coach and club direction at board and CEO level. Sad part about this is we’ll never know whether some players may have been good enough because everyone looks like a complete basket case now.
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No wonder Simmo feels comfortable.
No wonder Simmo feels comfortable.
Not sure they would have been considered mid-sized forwards back then though. Plugga especially was a ****ing mountain.
Ablett 185cm
Modra 188cm
Sumich 190cm
Capper 190cm
etc etc etc
Polly Farmer, the best ruckman of them all, was 191cm, the same height as Darling.
Unfortunately W.C have become Rich, fat and lazy and have lost the "Time to hunt" desire and replaced it with "Family, friends and flags". Granted the motto was there in 2018 when we jagged a flag but i reckon we were still in the "Time to hunt" phase.
They won a G.F and retired. The problem as i see it is they need to rekindle that hunger again and that will take a Coach who is hungry and players who have the hunger. We have the talent and the Coach but not "The Hunger".
we are the fodder for other clubs at the moment and that is what needs to change. That change needs to start with fatcats at the top as they are the one's who are supposedly running the show but are to busy getting fat.
They won a G.F and retired. The problem as i see it is they need to rekindle that hunger again and that will take a Coach who is hungry and players who have the hunger. We have the talent and the Coach but not "The Hunger".
we are the fodder for other clubs at the moment and that is what needs to change. That change needs to start with fatcats at the top as they are the one's who are supposedly running the show but are to busy getting fat.
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Like our last coach? Worsfold rebuilt from Judge, took us to 2 GFs and a flag, then a wooden spoon, then a top 4 appearance, all in 10 years.
I'd hope we don't become a club with a revolving door of coaches.
Playing on instinct and playing under Simpson seem to be completely mutually exclusive. The players have been turned into robots so much so you can tell they are not enjoying themselves onfield whatsoever.
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They weren't. Past era where those sizes were big.
I'm 43 and 193cm and was taller than almost everyone growing up. Plenty of younger people around who are well past me now. As a species, we're getting bigger.
We all know what happened with Woosha, I'm still not sure hes an example of rebuilding a team AFTER being there for 10 years. He is an example of a coach being there too long and the place going stale however...
We are so far from a club with a "revolving door" that should be the last thing you'd need to worry about the club
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Then there's examples of say Essendon, Carlton and St Kilda who went through conga lines of coaches in the past couple of decades and have achieved high degrees of success in that time.
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I'd rather we err towards giving a coach a chance rather than turfing one at the first sign of trouble. If we finish bottom 2 playing the same insipid brand of football, sure, get rid of him, but calls to sack him now are quite premature.
Think this is a good point and a more nuanced take than just 'Simmo is a bad coach'. In reality, Simmo's rejuvenation of the club took us to two grand finals and a premiership. The problem was we got figured out and we've never been able to adjust from the highly specialised and distinctive possession-based game plan to a more free-flowing and attacking style.
Guys like Duggan, Nelson, Cole and Waterman seem to be some of the least capable of playing on instinct and making good decisions under pressure. They've also only ever played under Simmo. Probably an argument to be made that they've been overcoached
Yeah, it's not even that complicated a decision. All the board needs to do is ask him to present on what he thinks went wrong and why, what he plans to do about fixing the problems and what the plan is moving forward. If they dont think he understands the problems or isn't taking them in the right direction, then he goes.
If they are happy with him then they assign some metrics to measure performance. Next year if the same shit happens and there is no change, he is gone. If he solves the problems, then he's the right man for the job.
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I think we need to just let Simmo go about his business to guarantee we get Pick 1 ..
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Completely agree. That's why getting rid of him after 2020 would have been too early, but at the end of 2022 (or earlier) is going to be the right time or we risk becoming a sheltered work shop. Hopefully he resigns on his own accord if he has any insight.
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Cal Sinclair was full of praises on backchat2.0
That said I still think you should coach a team in a state league first
Like I said, we're so far from what those clubs do that it's not even worth discussing.
To say this is "the first sign of trouble" is such head in the sand stuff though. We're the worst performed team in the league since the bye last year. And we were completely uncompetitive in several games before the bye last year.
I can't see anyway we don't finish bottom 2/3 so we'll see how the club deals with that I guess
100% imo. No surprise our premiership year coincided with bringing in so many fresh, instinctive attacking players at once
Big Nick was a champion ruckman at 182cm- he destroyed WA at Subi Oval. A Robinson kicked over 154 goals in a season and was my height. (approx 181)
The old era is absolutely irrelevant.
Not that sharp - but i have never met him. I think Nic is actually smarter in footy terms but understated in his comments. Gov is interesting.
Shep is a dark hourse but perhaps too smart to stay in footy.
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what the hell am i looking at?
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YESSSSSSS this
Round 1 2019 you could feel it crumbling to poo after leading by 5 goals at gabba
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looking at our history of premiership coaches...
Malthouse late 90s
Woosh early 10s
Simpson 19-20
first or 2nd week exits and never really in the true flag hunt once in September
Maybe learn from past and bring in a WCE constitution "If you win a flag you have 2 years to win another or you will be removed from role"
Get stale out west
Malthouse late 90s
Woosh early 10s
Simpson 19-20
first or 2nd week exits and never really in the true flag hunt once in September
Maybe learn from past and bring in a WCE constitution "If you win a flag you have 2 years to win another or you will be removed from role"
Get stale out west
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