Roast Bevo pull your ******* head in

[dogwatch]

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This is sage advice from Luke Hodge. And it’s about a better coach than ours. Bevo, like Clarko, can still be a great coach again, but, and it’s a big but, like Luke is saying he needs to be reined in to get the best out of him to we can thrive.

Readers shouldn't need a lot of prompting to appreciate what Hodge is referring to. Hodge is pretty astute.
If the media are not going to tackle the Bevo issues openly and front-on then this is not a bad way to start.

 

[HELMET!]

The outside 5 tactic is killing us and he's too pigheaded to change.

 

[Eagles_712]

In 2021. Bont libba and macrae avgeraged 80 percent of centre bounce attendance.

This year it around 50 to 60. No bulldogs players have been in the middle for 80 percent of the game. As much as you want to play more guys in the middle, you’re disrupting form and chemistry and it shows. You had a tough nut inside mid in macrae, powerful explosive bont and a good defensive mid in libba and this year you go away from it. Happened to gws last year too

 

[Cookie]

Hasn't learnt a thing, this coach of ours. Win, lose, or draw, it's the same game plan.

 

[ossie_21]

Hasn't learnt a thing, this coach of ours. Win, lose, or draw, it's the same game plan.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

In 2021. Bont libba and macrae avgeraged 80 percent of centre bounce attendance.

This year it around 50 to 60. No bulldogs players have been in the middle for 80 percent of the game. As much as you want to play more guys in the middle, you’re disrupting form and chemistry and it shows. You had a tough nut inside mid in macrae, powerful explosive bont and a good defensive mid in libba and this year you go away from it. Happened to gws last year too

I'm hoping we go back to having those 3 in the middle in this second half!

 

[stefoid]

Bev is on the ball. It only takes 6 or 7 years of us being an opposition interceptors wet dream to change our strategy!

 

[doggies ftw]

Bev is on the ball. It only takes 6 or 7 years of us being an opposition interceptors wet dream to change our strategy!

No one can question individual player development under Bev, unquestionably elite. But the development in our game plan over 8 years has been very poor, bordering on non-existent.

I really think in an ideal world we’d have Bevo in a football department role overseeing the whole operation, his man management and eye for ‘good people’ is brilliant, let him put the right people in the right roles. But someone else head coach looking after the on field stuff - which I really don’t think is a strong point for Bevo. He’s tactically a bit off it, and probably too emotional to be head coach imo.

That’d be a win for everyone involved, including Bevo

 

[RedmanWasHere]

I wonder if it was one of Matt Spangher's "fresh ideas"?

Putting a Spangher in the works?

 

[Angak]

No one can question individual player development under Bev, unquestionably elite. But the development in our game plan over 8 years has been very poor, bordering on non-existent.

I really think in an ideal world we’d have Bevo in a football department role overseeing the whole operation, his man management and eye for ‘good people’ is brilliant, let him put the right people in the right roles. But someone else head coach looking after the on field stuff - which I really don’t think is a strong point for Bevo. He’s tactically a bit off it, and probably too emotional to be head coach imo.

That’d be a win for everyone involved, including Bevo

This is really odd.

Bevo is widely regarded as the best tactician in the game.

A more accurate criticism would be around recruitment which he has heavy influence over. Trengrove, Sam Lloyd, Tim O'Brien etc...

 

[doggies ftw]

This is really odd.

Bevo is widely regarded as the best tactician in the game.

A more accurate criticism would be around recruitment which he has heavy influence over. Trengrove, Sam Lloyd, Tim O'Brien etc...

I wouldn’t agree that he’s a great tactician at all to be honest - he’s great at getting the most out of individual players, and has Been key to developing a great list - individually. Plus he’s a great motivator and can get the team up and about with our backs against the wall etc.

But we’ve never been a side that gets across the line when we’re having a bad day based on our system/game plan, which all the great sides do. Which is why we’ve never finished top 4 under him. We rely on individual brilliance and hard work to get across the line most of the time.

Plus I don’t think he’s necessarily great in regards to match day moves, can be a bit slow to make changes, never changes to lock down on players that are killing us etc

 

[doggiesin08]

No one can question individual player development under Bev, unquestionably elite. But the development in our game plan over 8 years has been very poor, bordering on non-existent.

I really think in an ideal world we’d have Bevo in a football department role overseeing the whole operation, his man management and eye for ‘good people’ is brilliant, let him put the right people in the right roles. But someone else head coach looking after the on field stuff - which I really don’t think is a strong point for Bevo. He’s tactically a bit off it, and probably too emotional to be head coach imo.

That’d be a win for everyone involved, including Bevo

I think our track record of developing young players is first class.

The biggest issue for me is what explains the drop off versus previous levels for all of:

• Williams (24)
• Daniel (26)
• Hunter (27)
• Crozier (28)
• Johannisen (29)
  
• Keath (30)

* Not included a stagnating Cordy and an injured Wallis.

Injury is some of the explanation but it can't be all of it. Some of those guys are obviously still good enough to get a game but put them in our team even halfway between current levels and career best levels and we're a lot better.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

I wouldn’t agree that he’s a great tactician at all to be honest - he’s great at getting the most out of individual players, and has Been key to developing a great list - individually. Plus he’s a great motivator and can get the team up and about with our backs against the wall etc.

But we’ve never been a side that gets across the line when we’re having a bad day based on our system/game plan, which all the great sides do. Which is why we’ve never finished top 4 under him. We rely on individual brilliance and hard work to get across the line most of the time.

Plus I don’t think he’s necessarily great in regards to match day moves, can be a bit slow to make changes, never changes to lock down on players that are killing us etc

Doesn’t take tactical nous to tag an opposition player. Any mug can decide to do that. It’s the chess equivalent of placing your pieces on the board lol.

Craig Jennings has regularly stated Beveridge as one of the best footy brains in the business. This is the bloke who many consider to be THE best footy brain in the business. Would regularly discuss our games on his SEN segment in which he’d dissect how certain clubs go about it.

Has had roles at multiple clubs as game analyst and opposition analyst.

You can add fellow coaches, players and various media heads to his list of admirers too.

Would you place more weight in the opinions of the best in the game, or go with the gut feel you get because you don’t understand what and why coaches do certain things and the selections they make?

 

[Philthy1]

I think our track record of developing young players is first class.

The biggest issue for me is what explains the drop off versus previous levels for all of:

• Williams (24)
• Daniel (26)
• Hunter (27)
• Crozier (28)
• Johannisen (29)
• Keath (30)

* Not included a stagnating Cordy and an injured Wallis.

Injury is some of the explanation but it can't be all of it. Some of those guys are obviously still good enough to get a game but put them in our team even halfway between current levels and career best levels and we're a lot better.

Keath's issues are injury related, so I would give him a pass. Apparently he is struggling to get up week to week.

 

[ScragCity]

This is really odd.

Bevo is widely regarded as the best tactician in the game.

A more accurate criticism would be around recruitment which he has heavy influence over. Trengrove, Sam Lloyd, Tim O'Brien etc...

That's a weird three to choose. I'm Trengrove's biggest critic but even I will admit he was handy at times. Pretty sure Sam Lloyd was our top goal kicker for at least one year. Tim O'Brien hasn't even been with us for a full season or had a chance to get on the park. Then consider that all of those players cost us almost nothing. If you're going to consider whether a trade was good or bad then you should be weighing cost vs what they produce. I would say that with Trengove we broke even and with Lloyd we got more than we paid for. Examples of bad trades are Dylan Shiel and Tim Kelly. High cost for little gain. Salary is another variable but is highly correlated with trade value.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

But we’ve never been a side that gets across the line when we’re having a bad day based on our system/game plan.

How could you possibly know this?

We’ve won plenty of games when we haven’t necessarily played that well. It’s a strange thing to say that you know for certain that none of those wins were due to what the coaches implemented.

 

[ScragCity]

How could you possibly know this?

We’ve won plenty of games when we haven’t necessarily played that well. It’s a strange thing to say that you know for certain that none of those wins were due to what the coaches implemented.

If we are down at half time but come back and win it's because the players lifted. If we don't it's because Bevo has no plan B.

 

[doggiesin08]

Keath's issues are injury related, so I would give him a pass. Apparently he is struggling to get up week to week.

Fair enough. His run does appear to have an injured waddle/shuffle to it and he’s slow to get up after contests - Gawn’s mark and set shot at goal in the 1st Q (which he missed) was a result of space created by Keath being slow to get up.



How I’d love the 2021 AA quality (in my opinion) version right now.

 

[BEaston]

I wouldn’t agree that he’s a great tactician at all to be honest - he’s great at getting the most out of individual players, and has Been key to developing a great list - individually. Plus he’s a great motivator and can get the team up and about with our backs against the wall etc.

But we’ve never been a side that gets across the line when we’re having a bad day based on our system/game plan, which all the great sides do. Which is why we’ve never finished top 4 under him. We rely on individual brilliance and hard work to get across the line most of the time.

Plus I don’t think he’s necessarily great in regards to match day moves, can be a bit slow to make changes, never changes to lock down on players that are killing us etc

I'd say our system was a massive factor in winning our premiership.

So much so that basically every successful team since has ripped off a version of it.

 

[dogwatch]

If we are down at half time but come back and win it's because the players lifted. If we don't it's because Bevo has no plan B.

Astute insight into how the mind of a supporter works.

We can see what the players are doing and if we’re winning they are clearly stars. No need to look any further.

However if we’re losing we go looking for reasons that preferably don’t involve putting the blame on the players (unless their names are Gardner or McComb). We can’t see what Bevo is up to and he’s supposed to be in charge. So it must be his fault.

Works for me.

 

[doggies ftw]

How could you possibly know this?

We’ve won plenty of games when we haven’t necessarily played that well. It’s a strange thing to say that you know for certain that none of those wins were due to what the coaches implemented.

We haven’t made top 4 in 8 years that’s why, great sides win enough games for top 4 - half of them when they’re not at their best. Simple

Not the thread for it anyway, you’ve got your opinion I’ve got mine, Bev does a lot of things right - tactically I don’t think we’re great

 

[Maverick Dog]

We haven’t made top 4 in 8 years that’s why, great sides win enough games for top 4 - half of them when they’re not at their best. Simple

Not the thread for it anyway, you’ve got your opinion I’ve got mine, Bev does a lot of things right - tactically I don’t think we’re great

Bevo is a great motivator, provides support and very protective of the majority of players. However it is well known that his flaws are his arrogance, no game plan and hates being challenged. Happy to let good assistants go to and give jobs to his mates.

 

[Dazb86]

This is really odd.

Bevo is widely regarded as the best tactician in the game.

A more accurate criticism would be around recruitment which he has heavy influence over. Trengrove, Sam Lloyd, Tim O'Brien etc...

I would say Bevo is more crazy scientist than genius

 

[Charlie Bucket]

We haven’t made top 4 in 8 years that’s why, great sides win enough games for top 4 - half of them when they’re not at their best. Simple

Not the thread for it anyway, you’ve got your opinion I’ve got mine, Bev does a lot of things right - tactically I don’t think we’re great

So you’re ignoring the 2 Grandfinals, the premiership, the 2 coach of the year awards (voted by his peers), his contribution to opposition teams premiership winning systems etc, and you’re deciding he’s not a good tactical coach because we haven’t finished too 4 after the H&A season?

Do you honestly believe Beveridge has been this successful only on the back of his people skills? How were/are our footballing systems and game plans put together? Who decides what the players do on the field and when they do it? I’m genuinely interested to know how you think these things come about.

The memorable wins in the 2016 and 2022 finals series, the H&A wins in 2015 and 16, last Saturday’s win, the SCG win in 2015, there’s numerous others, you believe they’re due to individual player brilliance and some emotional driven motivation from Bevo? No game plan? No In game instructions?

What about the rest of the footballing industry’s opinion that he’s one of the best tacticians in the game? Do you ignore that as well?

Personally, I see Beveridge as one the best there’s been in the modern game. He may not be as astute as he was, but as a whole I think he’s been great.

It doesn’t take much to see how good our football systems have been across all of Beveridge years at the club, even the success aside, and I think if some stop getting sucked in to what they read on Big Footy, like our resident regurgitation specialist Maverick Dog, and they don’t get hung up on their preferred 22 not getting selected or what they deem to be poor press conferences or what they hear about
the coach behind closed doors, I reckon they might have a better understanding.

I know not everyone’s clued on enough to see it regardless of how many times they have it explained to them, but like I said, it doesn’t take much.

 

[doggies ftw]

So you’re ignoring the 2 Grandfinals, the premiership, the 2 coach of the year awards (voted by his peers), his contribution to opposition teams premiership winning systems etc, and you’re deciding he’s not a good tactical coach because we haven’t finished too 4 after the H&A season?

Do you honestly believe Beveridge has been this successful only on the back of his people skills? How were/are our footballing systems and game plans put together? Who decides what the players do on the field and when they do it? I’m genuinely interested to know how you think these things come about.

The memorable wins in the 2016 and 2022 finals series, the H&A wins in 2015 and 16, last Saturday’s win, the SCG win in 2015, there’s numerous others, you believe they’re due to individual player brilliance and some emotional driven motivation from Bevo? No game plan? No In game instructions?

What about the rest of the footballing industry’s opinion that he’s one of the best tacticians in the game? Do you ignore that as well?

Personally, I see Beveridge as one the best there’s been in the modern game. He may not be as astute as he was, but as a whole I think he’s been great.

It doesn’t take much to see how good our football systems have been across all of Beveridge years at the club, even the success aside, and I think if some stop getting sucked in to what they read on Big Footy, like our resident regurgitation specialist Maverick Dog, and they don’t get hung up on their preferred 22 not getting selected or what they deem to be poor press conferences or what they hear about
the coach behind closed doors, I reckon they might have a better understanding.

I know not everyone’s clued on enough to see it regardless of how many times they have it explained to them, but like I said, it doesn’t take much.

Okay bro