Roast Bevo pull your ******* head in

[Freshwater]

What if the club and football department took away from Bevo all say and influence on recruiting and on weekly selection? Our selection has been appalling for years and our recruiting from other clubs has been great for our VFL team in the Bevo era.
Keath, Schache, Lloyd, Crozier, Cloke, O’Brian, Bruce, Hannan, Suckling, Duryea, Martin, Treloar. There have been some wins there, but a player from another club has proper exposed form, so he can’t expect them to be much better than what they were in another elite system. Bevo has had influence over all these decisions. Yet all our ‘guns’ come from the draft where he has no influence.

 

[Maverick Dog]

The Club is aware of Bevo’s flaws, whether Grant and Bains are strong enough characters to do what is needed is another thing.

i would be very surprised if a qualified senior assistant is not brought in and Bevo’s load is reduced.

Time and time again this season Bevo has not attempted to pull changes when other teams get momentum. This is a fatal flaw as a coach.

His game plan has not evolved and his team selections have been poor. it is well known he gives jobs to his mates and let good assistants who challenge him leave.

 

[Freshwater]

The Club is aware of Bevo’s flaws, whether Grant and Bains are strong enough characters to do what is needed is another thing.

i would be very surprised if a qualified senior assistant is not brought in and Bevo’s load is reduced.

Time and time again this season Bevo has not attempted to pull changes when other teams get momentum. This is a fatal flaw as a coach.

His game plan has not evolved and his team selections have been poor. it is well known he gives jobs to his mates and let good assistants who challenge him leave.

If that last paragraph is true about mates and assistants that is a blueprint for failure in any family business. No reason it would be any different in a professional sports club.

 

[Maverick Dog]

If that last paragraph is true about mates and assistants that is a blueprint for failure in any family business. No reason it would be any different in a professional sports club.

A ex player told a contact of mine this. He was not talking about our new forward coach as the player had departed. It seems the players were most upset about the club letting Corey go. He was rated very highly by the playing group. King and Montgomery did challenge Bevo and brought the best out of him but Bevo was not comfortable being challenged and was happy to see the back of them.

 

[ScragCity]

Highly doubt we miss next year... suspect we go deep

You said the same thing about this year. You also derided me at the start of the year when I suggested we might not make finals.

 

[Doggy]

You said the same thing about this year. You also derided me at the start of the year when I suggested we might not make finals.

Don't remember doing that.

Regardless, good chance you're wrong there

 

[stefoid]

I'd say our system was a massive factor in winning our premiership.

So much so that basically every successful team since has ripped off a version of it.

It definitely WAS. That was 5 years ago. Things have moved on.

When we lose, it seems to be for the same reasons - getting killed out of the center, and by making it too difficult to score by taking too long to bring the ball out of defence.

As for the backing off the mark rule, I can guess what it tries to accomplish (stopping overlap handball from behind perhaps?) But is it effective in doing that? 5m is a long way. OTOH if the we back off the mark then the opposition player doesnt have to backpeddle to take his kick - we are doing that for them - sorry, Im not in the way, or blocking your view am I? Let me just clear some space so you can immediately think about your disposal without any pressure...

 

[Libbaaaa]

If you feel like punching your laptop screen/throwing your phone onto the street just watch Bevo's Brief, my gosh.

 

[_Mike_]

If you feel like punching your laptop screen/throwing your phone onto the street just watch Bevo's Brief, my gosh.

Spent the first 5 minutes talking about how good Geelong & Danger were rather than addressing the glaring issues

 

[hutchy31]

If you feel like punching your laptop screen/throwing your phone onto the street just watch Bevo's Brief, my gosh.

Spent the first 5 minutes talking about how good Geelong & Danger were rather than addressing the glaring issues

Yeah, I'm not going to watch that.

He's a good coach but has had a stinker of a year. Credits in the bank yadda yadda but this list - despite a few deficiencies - shouldn't be missing finals and on a streak of missing top four that includes his whole tenure.

Next year will be a critical one imo. Year nine, and approaching a decade in charge where it's rare that a coach gets much out of a list after that long. I'm sure the club will take a different view, but I'd be looking to move on unless we're challenging for top four and at the pointy end of September (injury luck permitting). Definitely if we have the same deficiencies in list and gameplan at this time next year.

 

[Angak]

If you feel like punching your laptop screen/throwing your phone onto the street just watch Bevo's Brief, my gosh.

I had zero issue with it. What's your problem ?

 

[maddog37]

Never watch the Bevo briefs even after a win unless you are after a cure for your insomnia.

 

[Angak]

What if the club and football department took away from Bevo all say and influence on recruiting and on weekly selection? Our selection has been appalling for years and our recruiting from other clubs has been great for our VFL team in the Bevo era.
Keath, Schache, Lloyd, Crozier, Cloke, O’Brian, Bruce, Hannan, Suckling, Duryea, Martin, Treloar. There have been some wins there, but a player from another club has proper exposed form, so he can’t expect them to be much better than what they were in another elite system. Bevo has had influence over all these decisions. Yet all our ‘guns’ come from the draft where he has no influence.

Take away team selection from the senior coach

Maybe the dumbest post in big footy history

 

[footscray1973]

Bevo is a very, very good coach. But I don't think he will take us to the pinnacle again. Clarkson, Thompson and Hardwick backed up in a short time. But history shows few modern coaches have success again after a long tenure. We made a GF last year, which (as has happened to other losing GFinalists in heavy defeats) appears to have had a psychological impact.

I'm all for him coaching into 2023. But if we are the same mid-table mental cases who roll over under pressure into the second half of next season, with bizarre team and field selections, I'd suggest the players will need a new voice with different methods.

We can't rely on limping into finals in the bottom half of the 8, then magically getting on a roll to glory. 2016 was a magnificent exception.

Eight seasons, no finals the year after playing in two GFs. Yes, there might be mitigating factors, but every club faces mitigating factors. Hawks won again after Franklin left, Cats after Ablett left.

We can't afford another 2018 in 2023. We're already looking like repeating 2017 this year.

I think 2023 will be a defining season, one way or another.

Next year will be a critical one imo. Year nine, and approaching a decade in charge where it's rare that a coach gets much out of a list after that long. I'm sure the club will take a different view, but I'd be looking to move on unless we're challenging for top four and at the pointy end of September (injury luck permitting). Definitely if we have the same deficiencies in list and gameplan at this time next year.

Great minds, etc!

Spent the first 5 minutes talking about how good Geelong & Danger were rather than addressing the glaring issues

I think someone else posted (like hutchy31 I'm not watching another of Bevo's BS pressers) that Bevo said we were stiff Danger played well against us! Yeah, because for all the sh1t he cops on here, and his age, Dangerfield is actually a Brownlow medal-winning 97kg mid with almost 300 games experience. So qu'elle surprise he actually plays a good game, who'd have thought that, Bevo?!

So the first time we played Geelong a few weeks back, Bevo was unprepared for their opening salvo, and this time he was unprepared that a mature, senior oppo mid (just like, um, a recent GF we played in) would go on a mini rampage against us.

For a long-term senior coach to be caught out twice in a season by a team that he struggles to coach against historically, and in a manner that was the major factor in us losing a GF - what exactly does he expect to happen?

The oft-quoted definition of insanity mustn't have ever required an airing at the ATO or St Bedes, but then again neither of those are an AFL club where your coaching credentials live and die by your ability to counter the opposition on a regular basis (and you're regularly opposed by experienced AFL coaches backed by AFL quality assistants).

 

[doggies ftw]

We’ve never once shown an ability to adapt under Bev. We’ve been dealing with the same issues for genuinely years and never do anything about them - I don’t know why anyone thinks that’s going to change next year. Our issues are so glaringly obvious yet here we are week after week doing nothing about them.

Fingers crossed we have one of our good years next year where some luck falls our way and our best players put in brilliant years to drag us across the line. Because we sure as shit aren’t turning into a well drilled team all of a sudden.

 

[footscray1973]

We’ve never once shown an ability to adapt under Bev. We’ve been dealing with the same issues for genuinely years and never do anything about them - I don’t know why anyone thinks that’s going to change next year. Our issues are so glaringly obvious yet here we are week after week doing nothing about them.

Fingers crossed we have one of our good years next year where some luck falls our way and our best players put in brilliant years to drag us across the line. Because we sure as s**t aren’t turning into a well drilled team all of a sudden.

Yep, Lobb, Jones and Logue (or some/all of them) will help, much as Martin and Treloar did to start the 2021 season, but there is a tactical adjustment needed in our centre square set up at least when we are being outplayed - and this isn't the first year we've seen that, yet here we are - again.

 

[hutchy31]

Great minds, etc!


I think someone else posted (like hutchy31 I'm not watching another of Bevo's BS pressers) that Bevo said we were stiff Danger played well against us! Yeah, because for all the sh1t he cops on here, and his age, Dangerfield is actually a Brownlow medal-winning 97kg mid with almost 300 games experience. So qu'elle surprise he actually plays a good game, who'd have thought that, Bevo?!

So the first time we played Geelong a few weeks back, Bevo was unprepared for their opening salvo, and this time he was unprepared that a mature, senior oppo mid (just like, um, a recent GF we played in) would go on a mini rampage against us.

For a long-term senior coach to be caught out twice in a season by a team that he struggles to coach against historically, and in a manner that was the major factor in us losing a GF - what exactly does he expect to happen?

The oft-quoted definition of insanity mustn't have ever required an airing at the ATO or St Bedes, but then again neither of those are an AFL club where your coaching credentials live and die by your ability to counter the opposition on a regular basis (and you're regularly opposed by experienced AFL coaches backed by AFL quality assistants).

There's also a question of whether or not Dangerfield is capable of playing like that against a good team defense that starts in the midfield/centre clearance. He's been an amazing player but hasn't played like that much recently. Maybe he is ramping up into form that will see him play well in finals, but if I'm coaching I'd be asking how he did that against us and not against many other teams.

 

[footscray1973]

There's also a question of whether or not Dangerfield is capable of playing like that against a good team defense that starts in the midfield/centre clearance. He's been an amazing player but hasn't played like that much recently. Maybe he is ramping up into form that will see him play well in finals, but if I'm coaching I'd be asking how he did that against us and not against many other teams.

Yeah, absolutely, but for a coach to say he was surprised publicly is to me surprising in itself. Especially given the historical record of Beveridge and Scott head-to-head. Agree rather than questioning why Dangerfield played so well, maybe put your own mids under greater scrutiny, and maybe your own coaching?

 

[adogsfan5]

If you feel like punching your laptop screen/throwing your phone onto the street just watch Bevo's Brief, my gosh.

Couldn’t do it. Deleted straight away.

 

[glenashley]

Had a look at how teams in the modern era have recovered from GF floggings (about 50 points plus).

Generally they don't reappear for some time (GWS, Adelaide, Port, Pies, Dees, cats).

Closest is WC winning 3 years after getting flogged.
Some have backed up and lost again (eg Sydney 2014 and 2016).

Some of those teams reached the end of an era which may explain it, but for most I'd say they were expected to feature again, but didn't.

 

[stefoid]

other thoughts on backing off the mark

So we back off to outside 5m - that means you can run around and do anything, right? Not just stand there like you are still on the mark directly in a straight line 5m back from the actual mark

If the kick is taken near the boundary, they could stand 5m from the mark but at a 45 degree angle 'inboard' for instance? or even 90 degrees if there are a heap of opposition players lurking. Is there a rule that says you have to back out of the mark directly backwards, or could you back out to the side?

Or if a player is approaching the kicker from behind, looking for a receive, they could track that player, as long as they are 5m from the mark, right?

Also, the player who has backed off should be in a feral launch position waiting for the umpire to call play on, not spectating with both feet planted.

I mean, IF we are going to persist with this, at least do it intelligently.

 

[Angak]

I am so glad that most of the people posting in this thread do not make decisions at the club

 

[King Harold]

Did anyone pick up any real change made after Geelong kicked the first 3-4 goals ?
Not sure what Bev does when the wheels start falling off ?

 

[huddo#9]

He should be drug tested after giving Gardner another 3 coaches votes.

 

[doggies ftw]

I’ve made my opinions quite clear - I think we desperately need a change asap, but I won’t go into that again.

Just keen to hear from the staunch defendants around here, how do you justify not making finals this year if we miss? Do you think that’s an acceptable finishing position for the position this list is in? Was it injuries/bad luck/something else’s fault?

I dunno I just don’t see how there could be no consequences from our performance this year.