Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[LittleG]

I would unless we get a Logue type. I can't see any conceivable way that we can fit Naughton, Lobb, JUH & Bruce into the one forward line. I really want to play Jamarra so it basically comes down to Lobb & Bruce for the ruck-forward role.

I know injuries happen but that's not even taking into consideration Darcy who can develop and back-up behind those guys.

We can fit the 4 talls in no problems. Naughton and JUH are both good on the deck and play like Mediums who are great marks. Just need 2 high pressure smalls (Weightman and West). Then rotate them off the bench and always have a 3 tall forward line.

I prefer that setup than what we are doing now.

 

[bullish23]

Lobb makes perfect sense for next year, but zero sense from 2024 onwards. That’s the predicament. And he ain’t competing against Darcy in 2023 rather Bruce, and I’m prepared to back Bruce in.

I‘d prefer to spend on a much greater need at CHB. The stats don’t lie we are the worse defensive 50 team. It needs urgent attention.

 

[Golden_6]

We can fit the 4 talls in no problems. Naughton and JUH are both good on the deck and play like Mediums who are great marks. Just need 2 high pressure smalls (Weightman and West). Then rotate them off the bench and always have a 3 tall forward line.

I prefer that setup than what we are doing now.

There's no problem with Naughton but JUH, Bruce & Lobb together is a liability in terms of defensive pressure. One in a work in progress that's still finding his fitness levels at AFL level (3 tackles in 6 weeks), Bruce has done an ACL & Lobb lumbers around a little bit.

 

[doggies ftw]

Bruce is 10x the player he was when he last played defence, providing he got his mobility back I think he’d go well there. Just to wrestle the FF and let Keath play CHB.

But in saying that, I don’t want to go into the year relying on that. And I’d much rather prioritise the defence than Lobb, but if there’s really no one available - Lobb at 500k/3 years is fine.

 

[footscray1973]

This is a bit "opposition supporters say..." and a bit trade related, but will post it here to illustrate a point.

Dees posters on their board saying 3 firsts for Jackson (la-la-land), or a top 6 this year plus next year's first from Freo, or else they'll go and talk to West Coast. NFI.

At least one poster there gets it - reply is below to one of the deluded proposed scenarios, but also applies equally if we trade for Lobb. IF he nominates us, Freo just have to make it work as best they can. Same if Dunkley, Hunter or anyone else was to nominate a club if they choose to leave - clubs work it out, virtually no one walks to the pre-season draft. Anyway, FWIW:

 

[maddog37]

I reckon Astro as a midfielder is where it’s at. That would be a sight to behold.

 

[True Dog]

I think we want Lobb (if the rumour is actually true) because we want to win now...not just in 3 years' time when Darcy is likely to be at Lobb's current standard. People are expecting way too much from Darcy, as he will probably need two to four seasons to really make a big enough impact. Lobb fills the gap until Darcy is able to consistently play seniors at a high level.

 

[doggies ftw]

I reckon Astro as a midfielder is where it’s at. That would be a sight to behold.

You’re probably taking the piss but I’d love to see Naughty line up at a centre bounce (not as the ruckman) and just barrel his way through, he’d be way more effective than Stringer in there. He’s a genuine defensive beast in a ground level contest, if we were getting smashed in their by Oliver/Trac again you could do worse to try and even it up a bit!

Finally having some quality talls should really open up the flexibility of the side and allow us to do some interesting things. Whether it’s simply sending Naughty back to help out defence more often late in a game, or starting Jamarra on a wing etc - we’ve got a few more options now which is good.

 

[BIG_BONTS]

I'd love to see Stringer on Naughty 1:1 vs Essendon next year in the midfield. Naughty would make him look 3rd rate.

 

[Claudonious]

Lobb makes perfect sense for next year, but zero sense from 2024 onwards. That’s the predicament. And he ain’t competing against Darcy in 2023 rather Bruce, and I’m prepared to back Bruce in.

I‘d prefer to spend on a much greater need at CHB. The stats don’t lie we are the worse defensive 50 team. It needs urgent attention.

Everyone complains about our lack of depth. Then we are apparently trying to address this , and more complaints….

Getting Lobb does not mean we cannot go out and get a key back.


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[doggie dog]

A backline next season of:

Jones Logue Duryea
Richards Gardner Dale

Caleb floating in.

Keath and O’Brien depth.

Are we talking about ex doggie Liam Jones, where is the insider connection coming from?
Has he made an official statement about him unretiring?

 

[doggie dog]

Everyone complains about our lack of depth. Then we are apparently trying to address this , and more complaints….

Getting Lobb does not mean we cannot go out and get a key back.


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Is there anywhere a fan can get the dog salary cap structure??
It's hard to make certain if we could then can go out and get a key back after we acquire Lobb(potentially for a 2nd rounder) if his salary has been reportedly on 650-700k.
If that is the remaining salary cap we have, then we cannot improve the team any further. unless we then trade out further players.

If there is the option to say trade a 1st rounder for a KPD on around 500k and a 3rd rounder for a backup ruck on around 200k, which would be the best options for the dogs?

 

[Lex22]

IMO, the time to trial a KPF in defence is early in their career, not when they are 30yo, slowing down and coming off an ACL.

Bruce was tried in defence at both GWS and Saints (due to excess KPFs) early in his career, and struggled at both clubs in that role.

Not so sure about that, plenty of examples of older ex-fwds playing KPD roles effectively into their 30’s, (Chris Grant did it for us for a season or 2 when he slowed down a little).

While I couldn’t be certain that he’d be good as a KPD, I find it hard to believe that Bruce wouldn’t be better equipped this time around compared to the 19-21yo in a developing team.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Is there anywhere a fan can get the dog salary cap structure??
It's hard to make certain if we could then can go out and get a key back after we acquire Lobb(potentially for a 2nd rounder) if his salary has been reportedly on 650-700k.
If that is the remaining salary cap we have, then we cannot improve the team any further. unless we then trade out further players.

If there is the option to say trade a 1st rounder for a KPD on around 500k and a 3rd rounder for a backup ruck on around 200k, which would be the best options for the dogs?

Lobb is on $750k but rumoured to be willing to take a pay cut to move. $500k seems to be the expected salary.

 

[Lex22]

why bother with lobb when we've got darcy there?

he hasnt played any time in the AFL back at all? He's basically a forward that pinch hits in the ruck.

if we lose someone like dunkley and get someone like an overpriced lobb, that would be a disaster.

- Darcy hasn’t played a game yet.

- Bruce still hasn’t showed that he’s bounced back off a knee.

- English has some future queries regarding concussion.

- Jamarra will be a jet, but probably still 2 years away from doing it consistently.

- Also need cover for Naughton due to some of the above reasons.

Lobb makes perfect sense for 2-3 years.

 

[immortalmike]

You’re probably taking the piss but I’d love to see Naughty line up at a centre bounce (not as the ruckman) and just barrel his way through, he’d be way more effective than Stringer in there. He’s a genuine defensive beast in a ground level contest, if we were getting smashed in their by Oliver/Trac again you could do worse to try and even it up a bit!

Finally having some quality talls should really open up the flexibility of the side and allow us to do some interesting things. Whether it’s simply sending Naughty back to help out defence more often late in a game, or starting Jamarra on a wing etc - we’ve got a few more options now which is good.

North would do that with Carey on occasion.

 

[Munnez]

Didn’t Darcy have stress fractures? Probably want him in cotton wool for a couple years to recover, especially as he is still growing. Lobb will take a lot of pressure off playing Darcy. Similar to JUH last year. Pressure wasn’t huge because our tall forwards were fine. Contrast that with a JHF situation at North where he’s almost expected to be a leader in year 1.

How long is TOB contracted for? That’s a wasted spot.

Got 1 more if I remember right

 

[Dale4captain]

He’s done well to shed 9kg despite growing 2cm since start of season measurements but I take your point.

He’s definitely grown to 207cm. Not sure on current weight. He could be much heavier but as far as I know, they slimmed him right down because of his foot stress fractures.

 

[dergert]

Lobb has a few "business interests" between Melbourne and Sydney he wants to be closer too

 

[adogsfan5]

Are we talking about ex doggie Liam Jones, where is the insider connection coming from?
Has he made an official statement about him unretiring?

Yep. We met with him recently at Chris grants house. He wants to come back and play afl.

 

[footscray1973]

Not so sure about that, plenty of examples of older ex-fwds playing KPD roles effectively into their 30’s, (Chris Grant did it for us for a season or 2 when he slowed down a little).

While I couldn’t be certain that he’d be good as a KPD, I find it hard to believe that Bruce wouldn’t be better equipped this time around compared to the 19-21yo in a developing team.

I thought of Grant when composing my original post. IMO he's the exception that would prove the rule..... except he played virtually all of 1996 at CHB, and most people forget, but he started 1997 at CHB - first 4 games I'm pretty sure. In round 3 1997, he played on Richo, and Richo towelled him up and polled a Brownlow vote!

Wallace moved him forward after that, and the rest is history.

Grant was a very adept defender, even got pushed back in an earlier season when we were copping a hiding for half a game.

As fond as I am of him, Josh Bruce is no Chris Grant.

 

[Lex22]

I thought of Grant when composing my original post. IMO he's the exception that would prove the rule..... except he played virtually all of 1996 at CHB, and most people forget, but he started 1997 at CHB - first 4 games I'm pretty sure. In round 3 1997, he played on Richo, and Richo towelled him up and polled a Brownlow vote!

Wallace moved him forward after that, and the rest is history.

Grant was a very adept defender, even got pushed back in an earlier season when we were copping a hiding for half a game.

As fond as I am of him, Josh Bruce is no Chris Grant.

No, he’s certainly no Chris Grant. I just think he’d be in a better position to play key back now than when he was young and in a side that was getting pumped most weeks.

Whether that’s the right move or not, though….who knows?

 

[The Inbetweener]

Just on Hunter, and I have no inside knowledge on this, but I wonder if we could view it as a salary dump. Pretty sure he signed on for an Ave of $500k. We might think that money is better spent on Lobb etc.

If so we’d have to lower our expectations on what we’d get for him.

 

[Dogsman16]

- Darcy hasn’t played a game yet.

- Bruce still hasn’t showed that he’s bounced back off a knee.

- English has some future queries regarding concussion.

- Jamarra will be a jet, but probably still 2 years away from doing it consistently.

- Also need cover for Naughton due to some of the above reasons.

Lobb makes perfect sense for 2-3 years.

IMO we have spent far too many resources on this part of the field to be spending another big contract.

We have a pick 1, two pick 2s, pick 9 and a sizeable contract in Bruce on the list all in KPF positions. I'm pretty sure Naughton's on a very sizable contract as well (as he deserves to be).

I think we can also be a little bit protected by the fact Tim English is in a contract year. If we have an injury or two in KPF stocks we can afford to give him a game or two as a forward/ruck or at the very least ask him to ruck/forward 50/50 if we need.

Get another depth ruck option, get hunter out, get one if not 2 KPD's (Jones and Logue) onto the list and if possible keep our first rounder. We have nailed the **** out of the draft for the past 10 years. Past 6 years of first drafting is glorious reading (English, Naughton, Richards, Smith, Weightman, JUH, Darcy). I'd really like a medium defender who can intercept and play tall or small like a Dylan Grimes/Sicily type.

Personally im more than fine with keeping Schache on as a depth option too.

 

[Ash1337]

If dogs get Lobb maybe JUH will play a fwd flank role with stints on the wing. He's mobile enough to do so. Just a question on tank. Right now it's Williams on 1 wing with a mash up of players on the other.