List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[soreplums]

500 x 2 for JDG seems a little too low unless that is base and he can earn another 150-200k with incentives
eg ”you will get this bonus if you don’t end up on instagram”

 

[Matt_352]

500 x 2 for JDG seems a little too low

Yeah I'd say more around 650.

 

[soreplums]

Yeah I'd say more around 650.

Wow… I didn’t even get to edit my post quick enough for you to reply! You must have some good speed connection!

 

[Matt_352]

Wow… I didn’t even get to edit my post quick enough for you to reply! You must have some good speed connection!

Haha like a ninja

 

[legendstatus]

500 x 2 for JDG seems a little too low unless that is base and he can earn another 150-200k with incentives
eg ”you will get this bonus if you don’t end up on instagram”

If he loves the Pies, doesn’t want to move and given all the angst he has given us, 500k x 2 is spot on - similar to Grundy taking less

This is Collingwoods way of saying we want you to both stay but at our price otherwise look around and we’ll do the same


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[Chrispiesssss]

Grundy - 300k pay cut
JDG - 500k?

Have I entered some alternative universe? Not sure which one is more unlikely. Probably the Grundy aspect as it’s guaranteed money.

 

[Dynamics]

No, overall per year.

Been told by two people, so we'll see. Would help

Other rumour is we have offered do goey 500 x 2 and he will take it.

Time will tell.

They both seem relatively unlikely but if true they'd be extraordinarily good outcomes.

 

[Matrix10]

Rumour I’ve heard is that the Hill deal is done.

Hill , Benny should provide great comic relief

 

[The Phantom]

Would consider Lobb ahead of McStay, even though he is a nearly player.

 

[Dynamics]

Hill , Benny should provide great comic relief

Get that music playing and no one will catch him.

 

[sr36]

SEN’s Sam Edmund reported Geelong was taken aback by the Giants’ response.

“I actually think Geelong were a bit surprised. My mail is they were very confident they would get Jeremy Cameron for nothing trade-wise,” Edmund told SEN Breakfast.

“That offer is enormous, five years at more than $900,000. I think they were somewhat surprised that the match has come back from GWS.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/gws-makes-history-by-matching-geelongs-offer-for-jeremy-cameron/news-story/88e25376e95e1c4adc645be7180ec1a2?amp

I can't say I understand contract evaluations, but in the context of our rumoured contracts to retain Grundy, Moore and what we were supposedly offering Degoey before Bali gate, $900,000 for Jezza sounds like a retention cost rather than a poaching cost. And cheap in comparison to what the Tigers supposedly paid to poach Lynch and other high profile FA rumoured contracts. So I find the Cats shock a bit surprising.

You were right about the overall point though, in all the articles at the time - there was no suggestion that the gws matching was going to result in the retention of Jezza. They knew that the Cats were fully committed and would trade.

 

[Jonno94]

No, overall per year.

Been told by two people, so we'll see. Would help

Other rumour is we have offered do goey 500 x 2 and he will take it.

Time will tell.

Just been told I'm the new king of Atlantis.

 

[Kappa]

Grundy - 300k pay cut
JDG - 500k?

Have I entered some alternative universe? Not sure which one is more unlikely. Probably the Grundy aspect as it’s guaranteed money.

We're also getting a bunch of FA's who have all agreed to massive unders to come to us.

 

[cityslick1]

Rumour I’ve heard is that the Hill deal is done.

So that’s McStay, Frampton and Hill deals all already done apparently…. Some busy bees at the club

 

[DopeMaster]

It was the timing of the contract being signed. Grundy signed in January 2020 and in the post Covid environment the salary cap dropped 9%. If we don’t lose that extra amount we probably would have kept kicking the can down the road a little longer. As a counterpoint if we hadn’t front loaded his deal how would trading him being up for discussion? Or do you see a club paying him $800k or more?

It's all very speculative, given the trade talks are just that at this point, speculation. To entertain the hypothetical, what I would say is that we have form paying a percentage of outgoing players wages, and all clubs have form in overpaying incoming players, so it's not a simple equation of A: We've either front loaded the contract, or, if not B: nobody would want him.

If clubs are interested in Grundy and we are entertaining the idea of trading him, it's hardly a smoking gun that we've front-loaded his contract IMO.

Not saying it's impossible, but feels a little like spurious reasoning.

 

[Jim Levenstein]

Well to get free agents to your club you have to, unfortunately, pay a little above. We aren't the only club that have/ will bring in free agents and pay them above what other players on the list may be on, who have been there and been excellent servants of the club. Its just how it is in the AFL, its a business just as much as it is a sport. I'm sure Checkers has been, and will be looked after the club going forward.

Paying average workhorse FA above Mihocek is the problem.

 

[Jim Levenstein]

If he loves the Pies, doesn’t want to move and given all the angst he has given us, 500k x 2 is spot on - similar to Grundy taking less

This is Collingwoods way of saying we want you to both stay but at our price otherwise look around and we’ll do the same


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There is no way he settles for that, not after 4*800 was on the table.

 

[ThePhantom777]

If he loves the Pies, doesn’t want to move and given all the angst he has given us, 500k x 2 is spot on - similar to Grundy taking less

This is Collingwoods way of saying we want you to both stay but at our price otherwise look around and we’ll do the same


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You don't pay this guy $500k

 

[VinnieB]

Bit of rumour going around Grundy taking a 300k paycut

I just knew Eddie would be the club’s saviour once more.

 

[Go Woods]

There is no way he settles for that, not after 4*800 was on the table.

$650-$700k is about the mark, heavily incentivised to earn more $ including additional years trigger.

 

[manicpie]

Rumour I’ve heard is that the Hill deal is done.

I love and believe your rumours. Probably one of the few that i believe does have some good info. I really want hill, you just made my day

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Paying average workhorse FA above Mihocek is the problem.

Yes, but to get free agents to your club you need to pay above, that's a fact of the free agency market. I'm sure the players understand that in order to improve the list, and to get players into our club to fill required needs, this is how it works.

 

[DopeMaster]

Bit of rumour going around Grundy taking a 300k paycut

What are the calibre of the sources like Jen? We talking those who would have the inside scoop? Or BF rumour board type Thources?

 

[Jasper84]

Yes, but to get free agents to your club you need to pay above, that's a fact of the free agency market. I'm sure the players understand that in order to improve the list, and to get players into our club to fill required needs, this is how it works.

Do players even care how much their team mates are earning in comparison? Or is it more that we get offended on their behalf?

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Bit of rumour going around Grundy taking a 300k paycut

That's a fair slice of the pie off his contract, if true. So he is willing to take $650k - $700k a year instead? Saying he is on $950k to $1M a year now, but not sure how his contract is staggered throughout its term. So he may still earn $800k one year, instead of $1.1M.
I wonder if that's what the club has asked him to consider doing in order to help us get in players that they believe will help us get to a premiership.
Contracts can be renegotiated in terms of monetary value and length of time, but needs to obviously be agreed by player, manager and the club....