Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Mofra]

I don't think so.

A broken down Bruce would be just as likely to kick four against a team with no defenders who refuse to defend all over the ground.

Bruce barely led all game. Lobb presented constantly. Chalk and cheese.

 

[Bald]

Bruce barely led all game. Lobb presented constantly. Chalk and cheese.

Bruce’s games have been horrid. He’s allowed an out because of the ACL so it’s not directed at him but he simply shouldn’t be playing. The argument (that even I subscribed to) that he was important for structure is now irrelevant because teams are now putting the second defender to Jamarra.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Bruce barely led all game. Lobb presented constantly. Chalk and cheese.

Lobb played a great game and I think is a better player than a fully fit Bruce but we didn't lose comfortably because we were a quality tall forward short. We lost comfortably because no one defended and they walked the ball from full back to full forward with no one even attempting to get close to a man. We've seen how Lobb plays when the game isn't on Freo's terms as well.

 

[adogsfan5]

Lobb is going to cop the same shi* in our fwd line unless we change things.

Cameron and Hawkins would struggle in our 50.

 

[Mutt]

I don’t believe the man on the mark would make one iota of difference as our system is broken. It isn’t helped by having someone either standing or not standing on a mark.

Anyway, agree to disagree. Not going to get into a non classy, insulting slinging match with emotionally charged people.

You already have. How about you move on.

 

[doggies ftw]

The team sitting second on the ladder does it too. Works for them.

No they don’t

Cmon mate honestly -



There’s been one major change in the past 6 years to our team defence, one. Doesn’t take a flipping genius to work it out

As I mentioned in the game day thread 37 points doesn’t sound like a lot but that doesn’t take into account the times they go end to end but don’t score but then have the ball in their attacking 50 where it’s obviously easier to set up and keep it in for repeat shots on goal.

This is killing us.

 

[doggies ftw]

No they don’t

Cmon mate honestly -

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There’s been one major change in the past 6 years to our team defence, one. Doesn’t take a *ing genius to work it out

As I mentioned in the game day thread 37 points doesn’t sound like a lot but that doesn’t take into account the times they go end to end but don’t score but then have the ball in their attacking 50 where it’s obviously easier to set up and keep it in for repeat shots on goal.

This is killing us.

Also to add to this, it’s even worse for us because we’ve traditionally played a territory game where we only score with repeat entries and shot after shot after shot on goal, which also protects our biggest weakness - our backline - by keeping the ball out of their for longer periods, but now we don’t get that because we allow the opposition to waltz down the field. Even if Collingwood did do it - which they don’t- it may work for them as they have a gun intercept defender and strong small defenders too. We don’t.

There’s more issues than this but this is the single, most pressing issue with our game and it’s a flipping easy fix

 

[Unorth]

Our tall defenders have shit the bed all year and our inside 50s have been diabolical and causing us to leak goals the other way.

While Lewis Young

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Lewis Young

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26

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202cm

Wt

99kg

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Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

and especially Lipinski have carved out roles for themselves for teams that will both likely play finals while we don’t.

Hurts a bit.

 

[doggies ftw]

List management wise I want Lobb & I want Jones, not as the saviours but they straighten us up a bit and improve our list. I want to keep Dunks too but other than that I don’t think we need to make drastic changes list wise.

It’s obvious our changes need to be off field. Another year into Darcy and Jamarra, Lobb into Bruce’s spot and Jones into Gardners/Cordys spot and the team can compete. Another year into English too who was really good tonight even in parts of the game he’s traditionally struggled.

I’m happy to improve the list and hit the draft - this list can compete next year. But **** me we can’t if we don’t drastically rebuild our style of play.

 

[ScragCity]

I really hope we aren't stupid enough to trade for any mature players this offseason. This team isn't going anywhere until Bevo is out. Might as well hit the draft and start a five year plan.

 

[dergert]

REBUILD

 

[ScragCity]

List management wise I want Lobb & I want Jones, not as the saviours but they straighten us up a bit and improve our list. I want to keep Dunks too but other than that I don’t think we need to make drastic changes list wise.

It’s obvious our changes need to be off field. Another year into Darcy and Jamarra, Lobb into Bruce’s spot and Jones into Gardners/Cordys spot and the team can compete. Another year into English too who was really good tonight even in parts of the game he’s traditionally struggled.

I’m happy to improve the list and hit the draft - this list can compete next year. But * me we can’t if we don’t drastically rebuild our style of play.

You could bring in Steven May, Harry McKay and Sean Darcy to this list and we would still miss finals with this shit gameplan. Tbh though I think we will struggle to attract any talent if they know they'll be coached by the likes of Matthew Spangher.

 

[doggies ftw]

Our tall defenders have s**t the bed all year and our inside 50s have been diabolical and causing us to leak goals the other way.

While Lewis Young and especially Lipinski have carved out roles for themselves for teams that will both likely play finals while we don’t.

Hurts a bit.

They’ve both got weaknesses in their games sure but they’ve found themselves clubs who appreciate their strengths and try to play them in roles which suit and hide their weaknesses. Whereas we can’t do that because we only value players who provide a bit of run & pressure as a strength and if you don’t do that you have to be able to play every position on the ground perfectly. Such a flawed concept whilst every team is going towards finding specialist roles for niche players we’ve gone the opposite way in building a list of nothing players who do everything okay but nothing great

 

[Bald]

No they don’t

Collingwood do, actually.

 

[Chops]

I really really want to keep Dunkley and get Lobb.
Swap Bruce for Lobb and we just about win that. A forward who actually leads.

0 change in results. We need to recruit Selection integrity, 2 way running, a plan b, etc before worrying about Lobb or Dunkley.


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[doggies ftw]

You could bring in Steven May, Harry McKay and Sean Darcy to this list and we would still miss finals with this s**t gameplan. Tbh though I think we will struggle to attract any talent if they know they'll be coached by the likes of Matthew Spangher.

Completely agree, as I said our changes need to be off field and that’s drastic. But actual list management wise I’m happy to improve the side cheaply (which Lobb & Jones do) without doing anything drastic, but like you said it won’t even make a difference if we don’t rebuild the way we play - I don’t think it’ll take 5 years, I think we can pivot this list in a year or two like Melbourne has, if we made the right decisions but tbf it just probably won’t happen

 

[goodcop badcop]

Delist Toby because he isn’t in the top 10 players any more....

Umm what.

At least we won’t have a bottom 6 at AFL level anymore considering 75% of the list would be disposed of.

Overreactions are the worst things clubs can do after a GF loss. Our defensive structures for starters and at a more extreme level Adelaide training camps.

Getting rid of 8 players isn't an overreaction (which is what the previous poster suggested), the AFL average is 7 changes to the list. We got rid of 6 players last year, so we would be on the average over the last 2 years.

We got rid of 11 players in 2014 and we got 6 premiership players plus Dale in that year.
We got rid of 12 players in 2020 and made a grand final in 2021. We even re listed Cavarra and Hayes that year who did nothing.

Making some decent changes to the list isn't the worst thing.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Are we sure Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

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24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

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M/F

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Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

is good? One of the worst kicks in the league and offers nothing defensively. Dunks any day of the week over him.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

After watching that game we need to do whatever to keep Dunkley, he was the only one to give a s**t tonight.

Yep.

One of the few who committed all game.

If he was peed off a couple of years ago, how is he feeling tonight?

 

[D Mitchell]

Bruce barely led all game. Lobb presented constantly. Chalk and cheese.

Bruce isn't a ruckman. After half time, he played forward only, had 3 shots at goal, competed, threw his weight around, nowhere near his 2021 form but at least he played his role. 11 Disposals, 6 Marks, 1 goal 1, not too bad for a bloke a number don't want ever to play again. Weightman aside, nobody on the forward line scrapped for it nor applied pressure on defenders waltzing out and spotting up Mundy and his ilk on the wing with more real estate around them than a Qld cattle station. Generally, the forwards gathered at the top of the square waving their arms in the air, easy picking for intercept defenders. Naughton won't take marks leading away from the ball.. Darcy earned his spot for next week.

 

[Ash1337]

If dunks does leave to port then their first or Drew. Drew is a big bodied player and will mitigate the loss of Dunkley.

 

[Al dente]

is there a review thread for today's game?

 

[Philthy1]

is there a review thread for today's game?

We were $hit. Do we really need a 50+ page thread to cover that?

 

[ScragCity]

If dunks does leave to port then their first or Drew. Drew is a big bodied player and will mitigate the loss of Dunkley.

Lol no thanks on Drew. Take the draft pick and start planning for a big season in 2027

 

[Al dente]

We were $hit. Do we really need a 50+ page thread to cover that?

probably not, but its sometimes cathartic