No Oppo Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome** Part 7

[Delecate Des]

So players can go smashing into other players heads again? Righto. Play on.

Absolutely disgusting!!!

 

[theiaofseed]

A win for all the supercoach teams out there

 

[Jaeger]

Sicily would have been sentenced to death.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Ah Chee has been removed from Brisbane's side this round due to concussion. That really should be the only piece of evidence required for Cripps to have at least a one week suspension.

Accidents happen, this isn’t the only piece of information that should be used, can be added on top of, but just because someone is concussed isn’t always at the fault of someone else.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

A win for all the supercoach teams out there

W

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Accidents happen, this isn’t the only presidencies that should be used, can be added on top of, but just because someone is concussed isn’t always at the fault of someone else.

Except Ah Chee’s concussion absolutely was the fault of Cripps and it wasn’t remotely close to an accident.

 

[KermitJagger]

Accidents happen, this isn’t the only presidencies that should be used, can be added on top of, but just because someone is concussed isn’t always at the fault of someone else.

Presidencies

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Presidencies

Yeah I absolutely mauled that one.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Except Ah Chee’s concussion absolutely was the fault of Cripps and it wasn’t remotely close to an accident.

I was more speaking in general with that, as I read him saying that any concussion must include or should include a suspension.

 

[KermitJagger]

Sicily would have been sentenced to death.

Sicily would have gotten 3 weeks, they'd be talking about giving Toby Greene a life ban.

I was more speaking in general with that, as I read him saying that any concussion must include or should include a suspension.

Obviously I meant based on the outcome of that specific act ffs.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Sicily would have gotten 3 weeks, they'd be talking about giving Toby Greene a life ban.

Genuinely insane that he copped six weeks for slightly brushing an umpire. Toby doing that doesn’t make me reconsider having my kid play the game - seeing the appeals board rubber stamp Cripps’ hit does.

 

[Paul Kersey]

The system is broken when an act on a football field (let’s be honest - it’s pretty straight forward stuff) requires three adjudications within four days.

 

[Stranglers]

The system is broken when an act on a football field (let’s be honest - it’s pretty straight forward stuff) requires three adjudications within four days.

Not to mention QCs arguing "points of law".

 

[bradburygold]

What’s dumb is that these F/S kids don’t matter at all.

Whether they get bid on at Pick 1 or Pick 35, they’re not accessible for anyone other than the club their father played for if they’re rated good enough to be drafted.

North didn’t miss out on Darcy, Daicos or Ashcroft, because they were simply never going to be able to pick them unless they were substandard prospects.

Yeah even the opposite, you could argue all the other clubs lost out more than would be fair because the fs and academy clubs get a discount instead of paying fair value - which in turn wide slide other clubs further up in later rounds.

If they are guaranteed to get the kid and they don’t want to pay market price (even with the very flawed points system anyway) then p off.

 

[SammyC]

Re cripps - I have no doubt many others would not have got the same result on appeal but … I’m not sure it was a bump? Contesting the ball with his left arm out.

If you heard the daisy pearce take on SEN, that’s how I saw it.

If you choose to bump and the result is concussion, even if accidental, then there is no way out and that’s a good thing.

But if you don’t ‘choose to bump’ or it’s not a ‘bump’ then there is a case. Tough to prove and line ball in this case, but that’s how I saw it.

 

[Dewnior]

What a legend of the game is Josh Kennedy. Leaves one of his grandest performances until last. He finishes his career in 21st place, on the all-time goal kickers list just behind Peter Hudson. He will forever be one of my favourite players and will go down as a better player than my favourite player ever, Jarryd Roughead. In my opinion, he will go down as the best key-forward of the last 15 years whose name isn't Lance Franklin. Thanks for the memories, Josh Kennedy.

As much as I hate Geelol, Hawkins is the next best Key Forward after Franko not JK

 

[KermitJagger]

Re cripps - I have no doubt many others would not have got the same result on appeal but … I’m not sure it was a bump? Contesting the ball with his left arm out.

If you heard the daisy pearce take on SEN, that’s how I saw it.

If you choose to bump and the result is concussion, even if accidental, then there is no way out and that’s a good thing.

But if you don’t ‘choose to bump’ or it’s not a ‘bump’ then there is a case. Tough to prove and line ball in this case, but that’s how I saw it.

He clearly readies himself to bump with one arm though. I'd be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt if it were a marking contest but the ball was dead, he left the ground, and irrespective of what the other arm was doing he was preparing for body contact with Ah Chee with the other.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Re cripps - I have no doubt many others would not have got the same result on appeal but … I’m not sure it was a bump? Contesting the ball with his left arm out.

If you heard the daisy pearce take on SEN, that’s how I saw it.

If you choose to bump and the result is concussion, even if accidental, then there is no way out and that’s a good thing.

But if you don’t ‘choose to bump’ or it’s not a ‘bump’ then there is a case. Tough to prove and line ball in this case, but that’s how I saw it.

That’s a really weird position for his left arm to be in if he was trying to spoil the ball. He hasn’t a single hope of impacting the contest by a spoil so he chooses to bump.

 

[Stranglers]

Re cripps - I have no doubt many others would not have got the same result on appeal but … I’m not sure it was a bump? Contesting the ball with his left arm out.

If you heard the daisy pearce take on SEN, that’s how I saw it.

If you choose to bump and the result is concussion, even if accidental, then there is no way out and that’s a good thing.

But if you don’t ‘choose to bump’ or it’s not a ‘bump’ then there is a case. Tough to prove and line ball in this case, but that’s how I saw it.

I was pretty outraged when I heard he got off but having looked at it again, I'm good with it. It's not even that clear if he tucks his elbow in or if he's still actively trying to get the ball at the point of impact (especially when viewed at full speed) so i don't think you could definitively say he went for a bump.

I think there needs to be some room to move for accidental contact to the head, even in the case of concussion - otherwise we will eventually have a system where players are REQUIRED to pull up short if they could POTENTIALLY be beaten to a contest. Not great for a contact sport.

 

[grumbleguts]

Accidents happen, this isn’t the only presidencies that should be used, can be added on top of, but just because someone is concussed isn’t always at the fault of someone else.

um... wot?

 

[KermitJagger]

I was pretty outraged when I heard he got off but having looked at it again, I'm good with it. It's not even that clear if he tucks his elbow in or if he's still actively trying to get the ball at the point of impact (especially when viewed at full speed) so i don't think you could definitively say he went for a bump.

I think there needs to be some room to move for accidental contact to the head, even in the case of concussion - otherwise we will eventually have a system where players are REQUIRED to pull up short if they could POTENTIALLY be beaten to a contest. Not great for a contact sport.

I like footy being tough, but he's a hell of a lot bigger and taller than most players, especially Ah Chee, and it wasn't a marking contest so there was no reason for him to leave the ground to contest that ball. There were so many ways he could have gone about that while still providing a contest with a far slighter chance of concussing another player.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I like footy being tough, but he's a hell of a lot bigger and taller than most players, especially Ah Chee, and it wasn't a marking contest so there was no reason for him to leave the ground to contest that ball. There were so many ways he could have gone about that while still providing a contest with a far slighter chance of concussing another player.

This - unless Cripps has the footy IQ of a rock, which he doesn't, there is no way known he thinks he can impact a marking contest from that far away unless it is by bumping the player. Choosing that option, from behind, when the player is in motion and can't realistically be expecting someone to be bumping him in the back of the neck in mid-air is absolutely reckless and warrants suspension if shit goes wrong - which it did. This isn't an old school, two blokes running for a loose ball and one happens to clip the other high when making a fair contest for the ball. Cripps wanted to impact the contest by using his body on Ah Chee.

Basically any player now can use this as precedence when choosing to bump and concussing someone. Can only hope Zantuck's case against Richmond is successful - maybe financial compensation may make the AFL take this more seriously.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Sicily would have been sentenced to death.

Knowing us of late we wouldn’t have challenged it…

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Knowing us of late we wouldn’t have challenged it…

Or challenged it using the finest legal minds like District Attorney Ferguson:

 

[fairdinks]

Absolutely hypocritical result. It is going to be very hard to find anyone else guilty now due to this precedence. Id be seriously peeved if I ha been suspended during the year for less than this.

Compare this to the Day and CJ incidents. Doesn't matter that is was not deliberate. He chose to bump and got Ah Che high and concussed him.

Some players just seem to be favoured no matter what and some are forever doomed regardless of how innocuous. Sicily and Green to name two.