News Hawthorn Racism Scandal

[HighBudget]

I hope this isn’t true but if it is then it’s absolutely disgusting and all those involved should pay for it, This can’t be swept under the rug, my gut feeling tells me that it really did happen and it’s so sad, The story and the way it’s explained seems genuine IMO, I’m just glad that one of their babies survived this nightmare

 

[Papa G]

Russell Jackson wrote that peice on Robert Muir. Outlined his tough childhood and the racism he copped, but completely glossed over what a vicious thug he was. His stories tend to be very one sided.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Russell Jackson wrote that peice on Robert Muir. Outlined his tough childhood and the racism he copped, but completely glossed over what a vicious thug he was. His stories tend to be very one sided.

You know there's a difference between 'what about the rule of law, let's wait for all the facts to come out!' and finding every possible angle you can think of to try to defend the accused racists. Of course, absolutely nobody will be surprised that you've chosen to go down the latter path.

 

[LeoMessi]

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Wouldn’t expect any better from the patriarch of racism in AFL. Will never forget his comments re Goodes refer to him as a gorilla when the racist wobble girl issue came to fore

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

A two month investigation will be half finished before Clarkson even starts his job at North Melbourne.

He's still contracted to Hawthorn until 31st October.

Do you reckon he is doing nothing at home since he got the gig?

The reason he has to say1st November is because of his contract being paid out with Hawthirn.

It will be harder for him to do stuff for North, because he has to devote time to his defence and North will want to be seen to keeping him at arms length.

 

[Dylan8]

Jackson would have to be by a long stretch the best sports journalist in the country

 

[StrappingTape]

Andrew Bolt agrees with you.
Make of that what you will.
I have

I'd hate to break it to you but I spent about 5min of my day invested in this and as I don't read newspapers I have no idea what Andrew Bolt thinks and how is that relevant to simply stating that it's a bad idea to go pitch forks out for them without any proof or any right of reply yet. They haven't even had all the details of the allegations to even defend themselves yet but people like yourself desperate for it to be true are already out for blood. Apparently just waiting for the accused people to even have a chance to attempt a rebuttal and defence before demanding their hanging is a low IQ take though.

 

[GremioPower]

This reads as correct to me:

What’s the problem in being “magic”?

 

[GremioPower]

There were definitely links to T20 - a faster game type, but the main reason it came in to existence was that most places around the world don't have grounds big enough to play a full game of footy. The long-term goal was to have a version that could be played on an average soccer/rugby ground so that the game could be better promoted and developed internationally.

I heard the initial proposal was put to Gil for this form of the game with an actual league, using specialists (ie people that couldn't make it in to the AFL but were suited to it) and retired players as marquee attractions (think blokes like Boomer Harvey), and playing off in different cities most of whom wouldn't normally get footy. The initial proposal was relatively serious and didn't have any zooper dooper goals or any of the other bullshit.

The AFL heard the proposal, rejected it, then a couple of years later came up with AFLX, which incorporated many of the same ideas but with a focus on kids rather than trying to actually create a secondary sport.

It may be not good enough, I don't know, but the first proposal is so much better.

 

[Del165198]

What’s the problem in being “magic”?

For starters, it's making an assumption that all indigenous players are the same.

 

[GremioPower]

For starters, it's making an assumption that all indigenous players are the same.

Would all "white players" be the same, because they are "classy"?

<<... White players are "classy;" First-Nation players, "magic"...>>

 

[Cam1870]

What’s the problem in being “magic”?

In isolation, nothing is wrong with that and of course being labelled "magic" is very peripheral to this whole thing. It's that it a lazy characterisation of a whole group of people and the wider characterisation by those same people involved (Clarkson etc) that extends to things like lazy, can't be trusted, liable to "go walkabout" etc... It's why the accusations at hand are not "he made a rascist joke" but the cut off your family / don't have a kid stuff was only directed at young indigenous players.... Sure, they're "magic" on field, but also untrustworthy, bad community etc...
Similar to a black American footballer being "powerful", "a beast" etc... What other assumptions come along with those terms from people who see a group of people as a monolithic thing.
It's just a small thing that lingers in footy culture that tips its hat to seeing a group of people in a certain way - not all of it being good (or fair)

 

[Cam1870]

Would all "white players" be the same, because they are "classy"?

<<... White players are "classy;" First-Nation players, "magic"...>>

One last small point, I don't think white players as a whole are all seen as "classy". Some white players are classy. Others tough. Others tenacious etc... Minorities tend to pick up group shorthand much more

 

[Dylan8]

In isolation, nothing is wrong with that and of course being labelled "magic" is very peripheral to this whole thing. It's that it a lazy characterisation of a whole group of people and the wider characterisation by those same people involved (Clarkson etc) that extends to things like lazy, can't be trusted, liable to "go walkabout" etc... It's why the accusations at hand are not "he made a rascist joke" but the cut off your family / don't have a kid stuff was only directed at young indigenous players.... Sure, they're "magic" on field, but also untrustworthy, bad community etc...
Similar to a black American footballer being "powerful", "a beast" etc... What other assumptions come along with those terms from people who see a group of people as a monolithic thing.
It's just a small thing that lingers in footy culture that tips its hat to seeing a group of people in a certain way - not all of it being good (or fair)

For a football analogy: I'm still yet to hear Haaland described as a "beast" on a broadcast. I have heard many similar target man type black players described this way. This is anecdotal obviously but I'm sure it's been written about.

 

[Dylan8]

One last small point, I don't think white players as a whole are all seen as "classy". Some white players are classy. Others tough. Others tenacious etc... Minorities tend to pick up group shorthand much more

Another kind of counter to the 'magic' indigenous player archetype: you pretty much never hear about Powell-Pepper's indigenous background from commentators.

 

[Cam1870]

For a football analogy: I'm still yet to hear Haaland described as a "beast" on a broadcast. I have heard many similar target man type black players described this way. This is anecdotal obviously but I'm sure it's been written about.

I'm sure someone somewhere is doing a PhD putting Lukaku, Pogba and Haaland commentary through some sort of word analysis software.
Also, if someone does label people like that, it doesn't make them a raging racist needing to be cancelled. It's just an opportunity to point out stuff that often we just don't realise. Much respect for anyone who gets new information and says "oh I get it, cool" rather then doubling down

 

[PowerBaz]

The truth is probably in the middle (as they say) but to me that tends to say there is still truth to it.

Can’t see how they survive their jobs.

Silver Spoon Gill was almost riding into the sunset in his silver spoon, somehow I think this will be dragging on well after he’s gone. If that’s the case and Brizzy move Fagan on, surely North have to look at plan B whatever that is, they can’t wait around as they need to be preparing for next season.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

For a football analogy: I'm still yet to hear Haaland described as a "beast" on a broadcast. I have heard many similar target man type black players described this way. This is anecdotal obviously but I'm sure it's been written about.

Haaland is an absolute ****ing beast though.

Jurgen Klopp agrees for one:

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[GremioPower]

For a football analogy: I'm still yet to hear Haaland described as a "beast" on a broadcast. I have heard many similar target man type black players described this way. This is anecdotal obviously but I'm sure it's been written about.

Haaland certainly deserves it!

 

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[Kenny_Powers]

I'm guilty of having used the term "black magic" on occasions back in the early 00s. Though it came from a place of endearment, as Ports first nations players have always been my favourites, and I've always felt proud of Ports history with our indigenous brothers, I can recognize now that the term may not be all that appropriate.

While I don't want our society to become too overly sensitive, I realise that until most of us are on an equal footing in society and better educated with each other, some terms and beliefs, no matter how well intentioned can still be damaging/regressive.


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[Pt Augusta Power]

So the journalist actually directly contacted the coaches by email and called. Even told Fagan he would hold off on the story if Fagan wanted time to respond to him.

 

[elbarton]

What’s the problem in being “magic”?

Essentially it’s that white players are perceived to have earned their positions by hard work, whereas Indigenous players have only got to the AFL through some sort of sorcery only they have access to (along with how this plays out on the field). As others have mentioned, Indigenous players tended to be grouped superficially by this description, whereas other players were recognised more as individuals.

My memory may be playing tricks but I seem to recall that there were ‘Black Magic’ banners that you would see at the footy in decades gone. To be clear, that is the full term that was usually used.

 

[1954]

In isolation, nothing is wrong with that and of course being labelled "magic" is very peripheral to this whole thing. It's that it a lazy characterisation of a whole group of people and the wider characterisation by those same people involved (Clarkson etc) that extends to things like lazy, can't be trusted, liable to "go walkabout" etc... It's why the accusations at hand are not "he made a rascist joke" but the cut off your family / don't have a kid stuff was only directed at young indigenous players.... Sure, they're "magic" on field, but also untrustworthy, bad community etc...
Similar to a black American footballer being "powerful", "a beast" etc... What other assumptions come along with those terms from people who see a group of people as a monolithic thing.
It's just a small thing that lingers in footy culture that tips its hat to seeing a group of people in a certain way - not all of it being good (or fair)

I can still remember the first time I heard `go walkabout ' used in reference to an indigenous footballer.
It was back in the very early 1960's when a pre-season night comp was played at the Norwood oval and the Maggies were playing the deadlegs.

It was used as an obviously derogatory term by deadleg barrackers to a Port player named Vince Copley, who was giving one of their Parade favourites the run around.

Vince was a magnificent looking athlete, he was only about 18 at the time, around 6' tall in the old money and was I believe a very highly rated junior at Alberton, looking back his playing style reminded me of Bruce Light.

I don't think Vince ever played league footy, but I believe he is still alive and has written a book about his experiences in the game, no doubt it would be a very interesting read.