Recruiting AFL Draft Watch 2022 - Tsatas, Hayes, Davey x2, Munkara & Montgomerie

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[Kyptastic]

Herald Sun mock Draft has us taking Phillipou

 

[Westlo]

Shiel is 29.

Not when next season starts unless the magic round really ****s around with the dates and ok he plays one game as a 29 year old.

 

[citizen-erased]

Herald Sun mock Draft has us taking Phillipou

find it interesting Tsatas is considered top 3, but not a game winner...which is what you'd be rating in that top echelon of picks.

Wonder just how far he slides and do we try get Tsatas & Phillipou via a trade of 22 up or F1 into 9 & Saints F1?

 

[ant555]

It may well take 7 seasons.

It will likely take longer if we continue to burn valuable picks and list spots.

It may take 7 years or 15 years or 20 years.

All I do know is from when Mahoney and Taylor started at Melbourne to when the won a flag in 2021 it was 9 years and only two players from before they started played in that GF side. They where Gawn and McDonald. So 99% of the list was turned over. In that period they had some very good drafts and some absolute dud drafts. What they did do was stick to the plan and place the number 1 value on competitors . Even when they did look to be on track and made finals they still fell over before getting back up again.
I am sure that Melbourne supporters where feeling the same way as us when they where 4 years in and still an average side who where on rebuild number 20 without a flag. They had 4 picks inside the top 20 in 2009 including pick one and two but for various reasons they got zero out of all of them. This was after having pick 1 , 17 and 19 in 2008 for zero results as well.

The fact we have had a revolving door of coaches has not helped our longer term list planning either.

What we do know is the board has put football back as the number one priority.
I know that Mahoney has changed the recruiting process . There is now a much more robust recruiting system in place rather than the previous way we did things.
More effort is being put into boosting the football department.
Despite the fact we had to move on Truck we have only had two seasons into a rebuild.
Having another new coach will see some list decisions looked at again at the end of 2023 and even 2024.

Time will tell all but if Cox , Perkins and Reid all end up good players then it will still be a very good draft hitting 3 out of 5.

 

[citizen-erased]

It may take 7 years or 15 years or 20 years.

All I do know is from when Mahoney and Taylor started at Melbourne to when the won a flag in 2021 it was 9 years and only two players from before they started played in that GF side. They where Gawn and McDonald. So 99% of the list was turned over. In that period they had some very good drafts and some absolute dud drafts. What they did do was stick to the plan and place the number 1 value on competitors . Even when they did look to be on track and made finals they still fell over before getting back up again.
I am sure that Melbourne supporters where feeling the same way as us when they where 4 years in and still an average side who where on rebuild number 20 without a flag. They had 4 picks inside the top 20 in 2009 including pick one and two but for various reasons they got zero out of all of them. This was after having pick 1 , 17 and 19 in 2008 for zero results as well.

The fact we have had a revolving door of coaches has not helped our longer term list planning either.

What we do know is the board has put football back as the number one priority.
I know that Mahoney has changed the recruiting process . There is now a much more robust recruiting system in place rather than the previous way we did things.
More effort is being put into boosting the football department.
Despite the fact we had to move on Truck we have only had two seasons into a rebuild.
Having another new coach will see some list decisions looked at again at the end of 2023 and even 2024.

Time will tell all but if Cox , Perkins and Reid all end up good players then it will still be a very good draft hitting 3 out of 5.

any insights on the previous way of doing things?
Cos I can't work out a formula or approach

 

[Alite]

Please excuse the incursion but I was hoping for a little advice on the Don’s trading and pick strategy.

I understand from reading a back that Plan A is to trade up the draft from 22 to a position where it is unlikely that Alwyn Davey

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Jr will recieve a bid.

Is there a consensus Plan B?

 

[Lore]

It may take 7 years or 15 years or 20 years.

All I do know is from when Mahoney and Taylor started at Melbourne to when the won a flag in 2021 it was 9 years and only two players from before they started played in that GF side. They where Gawn and McDonald. So 99% of the list was turned over. In that period they had some very good drafts and some absolute dud drafts. What they did do was stick to the plan and place the number 1 value on competitors . Even when they did look to be on track and made finals they still fell over before getting back up again.
I am sure that Melbourne supporters where feeling the same way as us when they where 4 years in and still an average side who where on rebuild number 20 without a flag. They had 4 picks inside the top 20 in 2009 including pick one and two but for various reasons they got zero out of all of them. This was after having pick 1 , 17 and 19 in 2008 for zero results as well.

The fact we have had a revolving door of coaches has not helped our longer term list planning either.

What we do know is the board has put football back as the number one priority.
I know that Mahoney has changed the recruiting process . There is now a much more robust recruiting system in place rather than the previous way we did things.
More effort is being put into boosting the football department.
Despite the fact we had to move on Truck we have only had two seasons into a rebuild.
Having another new coach will see some list decisions looked at again at the end of 2023 and even 2024.

Time will tell all but if Cox , Perkins and Reid all end up good players then it will still be a very good draft hitting 3 out of 5.

There are already only 20 players on our list going into 2023 who were on the list in 2020. It's a turnover of 27 list spots (including rookies) in three off-seasons, two under Mahoney and one before him.

When you consider the 20 who are still on the list, you wouldn't expect all of them to still be here in another 2-3 years either, whether that's age, form or injuries:

• Draper
• Bryan
• Phillips
• Stewart
• McBride
• Jones
• Ridley
• Zerk-Thatcher
• Laverde
• Langford
• Stringer
• Heppell
• Redman
• Guelfi
• Shiel
• McGrath
• Parish
• Merrett
• Snelling
• McDonald-Tipungwuti

The rest of the 2020 players who are now gone;
RETIRED: Bellchambers, Hooker, Hurley, Ambrose, McQuillan, McKenna, Zaharakis, Smith, Mosquito
TRADED/FREE AGENT: Daniher, Francis, Fantasia, Saad
DELISTED: Crauford, McKernan, Gown, Cutler, Gleeson, Hibberd, Clarke, Begley, Townsend, Mutch, Ham, Hird, Cahill, Johnson

 

[Lore]

Please excuse the incursion but I was hoping for a little advice on the Don’s trading and pick strategy.

I understand from reading a back that Plan A is to trade up the draft from 22 to a position where it is unlikely that Alwyn Davey Jr will recieve a bid.

Is there a consensus Plan B?

We either trade up ahead of a bid, or trade out and back in after the bid.

Worst case scenario if we go into the draft with the picks we have now is that we use pick 4, match Alwyn Davey Jr with pick 22, miss out on Anthony Munkara, match Jayden Davey and then take two picks at the end of the draft/in the pre-season draft/sign DFAs to fill the last two spots.

Any which way we have to acquire five senior players before the end of the pre-season draft, and it makes a lot more sense to try and use 4 and 22 as live picks than to use them in bid matching and take live picks in the 60s.

 

[Alite]

We either trade up ahead of a bid, or trade out and back in after the bid.

Worst case scenario if we go into the draft with the picks we have now is that we use pick 4, match Alwyn Davey Jr with pick 22, miss out on Anthony Munkara, match Jayden Davey and then take two picks at the end of the draft/in the pre-season draft/sign DFAs to fill the last two spots.

Any which way we have to acquire five senior players before the end of the pre-season draft, and it makes a lot more sense to try and use 4 and 22 as live picks than to use them in bid matching and take live picks in the 60s.

Cheers for the reply.
How would “trading out and then back in” work. Would it be to trade pick 22 for future pick(s) and then sell those future pick(s) to get back in? The 20% discount could make that scenario very interesting.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Can we get a poll going with who we should take at 4? Lore

 

[Lore]

Can we get a poll going with who we should take at 4? Lore

What names do you want on it

 

[Lore]

Cheers for the reply.
How would “trading out and then back in” work. Would it be to trade pick 22 for future pick(s) and then sell those future pick(s) to get back in? The 20% discount could make that scenario very interesting.

That's the general idea. I don't know about the specifics, I tend to avoid thinking about hypothetical trade scenarios.

 

[andleanback]

What names do you want on it

I’d say there is really only 4 likely candidates tsatas, Humphrey, phillipou and clark

 

[Alite]

Cheers for the reply.
How would “trading out and then back in” work. Would it be to trade pick 22 for future pick(s) and then sell those future pick(s) to get back in? The 20% discount could make that scenario very interesting.

That's the general idea. I don't know about the specifics, I tend to avoid thinking about hypothetical trade scenarios.

A few in the Hawks Bigfooty threads have suggested that the Hawks-held-Dogs f2 (value ~pick 26 - 33?) could be involved in such a trade along with some of our later 2022 picks for points to get Alwyn. The Hawks likely end up with Brisbanes pick 34(36) which they may be willing to sell back to the Dons to get the Dogs f2 back.

Result of plan B: the Dons get Alwyn and Pick 36 ( plus later pick trades) for their next pick, and the Hawks convert pick 36 into pick 22.
Edit: If the Don’s simply match a bid at, say, 20, then you get Alwyn and your next pick will be at 54. The “trade out and trade back in” with the Hawks is a win / win, though there may be better options with other clubs.

Does this seem a feasible Plan B?

 

[BIGBUDDA]

Herald Sun mock Draft has us taking Phillipou

For the love of god Essendon, please take Humphrey. Kids is a leader and is brute power

 

[Duckworth]

For the love of god Essendon, please take Humphrey. Kids is a leader and is brute power

set shot kicking needs some work... Highlights from one game, and looks better in others. Maybe a bit rusty in Round 1.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Ngl the prospect of Phillipou and Martin in the same team is pretty exciting

 

[ant555]

any insights on the previous way of doing things?
Cos I can't work out a formula or approach

Adrian pretty much ran the show. Coach had limited input. Development coaches had zero input. Dodoro simply told we need a player to fill position X Y Z.

Now we have GM of football , coach , list manager , head of recruiting , head of development , the boards footy director and I would presume head of performance included in the regular recruiting meetings. There is far more input into type of player to fill positions on the list. Going on Mahoney's past players with a competitive edge will be where we look. The recruiters will still be picking the players but now it will not be this bloke should become a midfielder. It should be more like, you want a midfielder , well these 3 midfielders are your best options. From what I have been told there is more questioning and Dodoro and RFK have to answer why certain players can fill the spots the coach wants.

 

[DERO]

That Philipou is a confident bloke.

 

[citizen-erased]

Adrian pretty much ran the show. Coach had limited input. Development coaches had zero input. Dodoro simply told we need a player to fill position X Y Z.

Now we have GM of football , coach , list manager , head of recruiting , head of development , the boards footy director and I would presume head of performance included in the regular recruiting meetings. There is far more input into type of player to fill positions on the list. Going on Mahoney's past players with a competitive edge will be where we look. The recruiters will still be picking the players but now it will not be this bloke should become a midfielder. It should be more like, you want a midfielder , well these 3 midfielders are your best options. From what I have been told there is more questioning and Dodoro and RFK have to answer why certain players can fill the spots the coach wants.

Thay explains....a lot

 

[Vander18]

That Philipou is a confident bloke.

Love it.

 

[andleanback]

I kinda like the philipou arrogance, as long as he can back it up with being tough over the ball.

 

[Keystone agony]

A few in the Hawks Bigfooty threads have suggested that the Hawks-held-Dogs f2 (value ~pick 26 - 33?) could be involved in such a trade along with some of our later 2022 picks for points to get Alwyn. The Hawks likely end up with Brisbanes pick 34(36) which they may be willing to sell back to the Dons to get the Dogs f2 back.

Result of plan B: the Dons get Alwyn and Pick 36 ( plus later pick trades) for their next pick, and the Hawks convert pick 36 into pick 22.
Does this seem a feasible Plan B?

I think with guys like Ed Allen, Konstanty, Barnett, Cowan, George, Hustwaite, Hotton, L.Hayes, Burgiel ect there is a decent chance the bid could come after 22

Worse case scenario (PLAN Z) id say we would trade 22 for Saints F2 or Hawks F2 (Tied dogs) and some additional points this year.

Then if we want to trade back in, we would look at GWS 31 as worse case scenario for those F2s

Also think PLAN A we offer 22, F2 and a swap of F3s for Melbournes 13 and Sydneys 14 if the right player is there. Eventually that becomes just F2 and 22 for say swans pick 17

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

For the love of god Essendon, please take Humphrey. Kids is a leader and is brute power

He's my preference.

 

[Zach Package]

I think with guys like Ed Allen, Konstanty, Barnett, Cowan, George, Hustwaite, Hotton, L.Hayes, Burgiel ect there is a decent chance the bid could come after 22

Worse case scenario (PLAN Z) id say we would trade 22 for Saints F2 or Hawks F2 (Tied dogs) and some additional points this year.

Then if we want to trade back in, we would look at GWS 31 as worse case scenario for those F2s

Also think PLAN A we offer 22, F2 and a swap of F3s for Melbournes 13 and Sydneys 14 if the right player is there. Eventually that becomes just F2 and 22 for say swans pick 17

Blues are apparently also open to moving an F2 to get into the top 30 as well