Player Watch 2022 AFL National Draft Discussion - read the pinned post

[Strapping Young Lad]

National AFL draft Monday November 28(first round only).
All other selections to be held on Tuesday November 29.
The pre-season and rookie drafts will then take place at 3pm (AEST) on Wednesday November 30.

 

[HawksILove]

Here's hoping at pick 45 we trade up to 39 with an additional future 4th and select Munkara.

Just for the melts

I thought we had pick 36 and 45

 

[A1fromDay1]

I thought we had pick 36 and 45

We do but I'd prefer us do it at 39 just so the melts hurt harder

 

[Ned Ryerson]

He must be one of those supporters that constantly turns to other spectators in the middle of the game and asks "what happened?"

Or one of those ones that when we are crossing it through the back line screams out 'KICK IT FORWARDS!!!!'.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Can bank on Shifter saying this about a player picked above 40

"Looks Like A Future Brownlow Medalist"
"Plays like a 200 Gamer"

 

[HedgeFund]

Seriously - people complaining about handing over future 2nds and 3rds should grab a cup of tea and look at this list of failures who went from pick 14th to 21st only 4 years ago.

Hately - 14
J. Clark - 15
McHenry - 16
Sturt - 17
Duursma - 18
Stocker - 19
Collier - Dawkins - 20
Ely Smith - 21

Most are either already gone from the AFL and/or playing state league footy

No pick is a guarantee, and even late first rounders can end up being massive busts.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I thought we had pick 36 and 45

We do.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

"We want more first round picks"

No, not that way, we don't want to trade anything of value for one"

The ‘be bold’ crowd in a nutshell:

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

We do.

AFL draft tracker has port Adelaide with 36, Hawks 37. But that's likely to change at any moment. This draft is a shambles.

 

[burner1]

AFL draft tracker has port Adelaide with 36, Hawks 37. But that's likely to change at any moment. This draft is a shambles.

The lack of info on the pick trades was frustrating.

Very intrigued to see who falls to our two picks. MM also made a throw away comment out maybe using 5 picks (pick isn’t that pick 80 etc?).

 

[Judd2Sewell]

BTW we were not getting a player of Weddle’s quality at our second pick. We moved up because we rate him and we paid what was required to move into the first round. It’s that simple

I think that drafting Weddle was clearly a case of drafting the best talent available, based on our own big board of course.

We must have rated him around 10 to 12, and probably rated the players that would be available around 27 significantly lower in terms of talent.

Most people had been crying out for us to be active and aggressive all off season, and I was one of them. I've got no issue with the club making bold moves.

So I think the real question is were Peaking Mark and the team right in rating Weddle so high? I think their talent identification has been top notch over the last few years which bodes well for us.

 

[sohsam]

MM and the team clearly love Weddle but they also have an eye on next year in terms of what will likely happen with McCabe (eating up those picks). For those who are melting, wait until after next years draft.

We will have likely added 4 1st Rounders in 2 years (MacKenzie, Weddle, 2023 F1 plus McCabe). Smart recruiting to me.

Giving up so much?

What? We move up the draft 9 positions (which so many people on here were sooking a month ago that we didn’t do) by trading more picks.

Which future player did we actually give up?

I think we have all moved on from the pick swaps, wish the kid best of luck. I was not implying we gave up a future kid.
I thought we were contemplating moving down not up, but never mind.
strategy seems clear, top 10 is where talent is, trade up to access it. long gone are the days on making recruiters work hard by getting gems from picks 40-60 like how we got siciliy, poupolo, stratton.
we are a long way from competing for premiership. there are so many strategies to try to get there. i suspect regardless of way, for most is easy to get middle of road, 5-8, it is how you position yourself to compete for silverwear which is the trick. whether you split picks, access more talent or go for the slow, steady method of trying to access elite talent at the top, staying long enough at bottom to do that.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I think this is a more reasonable take because looking at the points system we did give up a considerable amount. But there are several factors that make it more agreeable.

1) Weddle has incredibly high upside. I have had it confirmed to me he was top 10 in our rankings.

2) The points system is an arbitrary ranking that was brought in for bidding. We would have weighed up opportunity cost to our internal rankings.

3) We haven’t REALLY traded out of next year – we still possess a future second and third (both linked to WB). At worst, we’ve downgraded ~10 spots which isn’t make or break for a rebuild. It's not like we gave up our future first.

4) If McCabe develops as expected we may have lost the pick anyway.

If McCabe develops as we hope then our later picks are obviously going to be eaten up by any matching bid we make. Which means in reality it doesn't matter which F2 we moved on.

It would only be an issue if McCabe stalls in his development and we finish lower then we expected. In which case we can always try and move the WBD 2nd rounder out in a package.

 

[badboybobba]

It’s seems the club rate players over picks, which is the way it should be.

We rate the players in order and if we think a player has fallen through we are happy to pay overs is the way i see it.
So essentially a potential great player is better than a couple of good yet speculative picks

I’d prefer to have one $100 note over three $20 notes, maybe not the best analogy but you get my drift.

 

[sohsam]

Seriously - people complaining about handing over future 2nds and 3rds should grab a cup of tea and look at this list of failures who went from pick 14th to 21st only 4 years ago.

Hately - 14
J. Clark - 15
McHenry - 16
Sturt - 17
Duursma - 18
Stocker - 19
Collier - Dawkins - 20
Ely Smith - 21

Most are either already gone from the AFL and/or playing state league footy

No pick is a guarantee, and even late first rounders can end up being massive busts.

everyone likes to think our recruitment team is the best, we can pick sicily, poupolo, stratton from picks 40+ consistently. geelong have done well in recent years winning premiership, not having access to top picks for almost a decade or so.

 

[Flukey!]

Two first-rounders is a great result for the club.
I feel it brings us that bit closer to improvement, quicker.

On top of the trades, we have a great crop of good new young talent.
Its exciting.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I agree with a lot of that although not sure Sydney wanted weddle at that pick. IMO if you are set on a player especially at an early pick you would simply take them unless you got a ridiculous offer which was the premise of my criticism in the first place. Anyway from a long way out I had weddle in my 4 for our second pick so I’m rapt he’s a hawk. Now we need to imbibe the spirit of Travis Cloke and put a lot of smoke and shadows behind the windows so pick 37 is brayden george and 45 is Ollie hotton. And does pick 80 get it done for Coach Killer ?

It wasn't Sydney who wanted him, I think it was GWS that did.

 

[KermitJagger]

It wasn't Sydney who wanted him, I think it was GWS that did.

Twomey said that Sydney were going to take him, he may have misspoke but it is what he said on the night iirc.

 

[sohsam]

It’s seems the club rate players over picks, which is the way it should be.

We rate the players in order and if we think a player has fallen through we are happy to pay overs is the way i see it.
So essentially a potential great player is better than a couple of good yet speculative picks

I’d prefer to have one $100 note over three $20 notes, maybe not the best analogy but you get my drift.

Yes, that is about list strategy, how to be in position to win premiership. someone may prefer 3 x $20 as opposed to one $100. the pressure on having one $100 is sometimes too much, you also have salary cap issues. we are just early stages of putting the pieces together.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Is there any hope we can pick up Brayden George or Jakob Ryan

We'd have to somehow move back up the order. Our current next pick (36?) and the WBD F2 would get us back in.

 

[Billyc]

It wasn't Sydney who wanted him, I think it was GWS that did.

Twomey had Swans taking him at 15. Given he nailed the first dozen or so picks, I reckon his mail as to who was interested in whom this year was very strong. Bloody impressive from Twomey this year.

 

[Steven Tyler]

That’s exactly it.. where is the skill in coming up with a draft order that is given to you… he’s obviously good at building relationships with draftees, recruiters etc.. He’s Switzerland, very impartial and positive on everyone much like his predecessor, Shifter..

Yeah you’re right
He shouldn’t rely on his info, he should just have a guess at the draft order, and go from there, like most others
That takes more skill

Wish Matt Rendall had more of a profile in the lead up to draft night……………

 

[badboybobba]

Yes, that is about list strategy, how to be in position to win premiership. someone may prefer 3 x $20 as opposed to one $100. the pressure on having one $100 is sometimes too much, you also have salary cap issues. we are just early stages of putting the pieces together.

The dollar notes were symbolising draft picks not a players worth.

 

[TylerDurden]

Twomey had Swans taking him at 15. Given he nailed the first dozen or so picks, I reckon his mail as to who was interested in whom this year was very strong. Bloody impressive from Twomey this year.

He doesn't miss. Other than the Will Phillips pick.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Twomey said that Sydney were going to take him, he may have misspoke but it is what he said on the night iirc.

Maybe I misheard. It doesn't make as much sense to me for Sydney to trade back if they were keen on him.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

yes if we get lucky with Dons pick 22.. Will have to give up F2(WB) & 48, could get their pick in 60's back.

Don't see why they'd trade back, it seems that Davey isn't going to be bid on prior to that pick.