Player Watch 2022 AFL National Draft Discussion - read the pinned post

[Strapping Young Lad]

National AFL draft Monday November 28(first round only).
All other selections to be held on Tuesday November 29.
The pre-season and rookie drafts will then take place at 3pm (AEST) on Wednesday November 30.

 

[peetoo]

Just put him down back and move a 23 - 26 year old further up the ground.

It’s not that hard.

Here’s a quick example of how our recruits plus McKenzie and Tweddle (if ready and good to go) could add to our starting 23.

B: Tweddle Blanck/Jeka Hardwick
HB: Jiath Frost DGB
C: Amon Sicily Day
HF: Moore Lewis McKenzie
F: Scrimshaw Meek McDonald

R: Reeves Newcombe Ward

I: (from) Stephens, Maginness, Nash, Impey, Worpel, Morrison, Bramble, Blanck/Jeka, etc.

Move Sicily, Scrimshaw, Day into the heat and start doing what mature players should

Exactly. Your last comment. Grow some. None of this tanking talk. If a long season outlasts our young team, so be it. Tanks? No tanks

 

[KermitJagger]

Ok it’s just a way to evaluate how we’ve gone. We gave up a lot of capital my point is I don’t think we needed to give up that much to get the player we wanted. Is that fair?

Not really, because we did have to give up that much capital to get the player we wanted. Proof being that we did give it up, and if we didn't, Sydney were going to take Weddle with that same selection.

Giving up that sort of capital for a draft pick and then missing out on the targeted player would be a failure in list management, doing it and getting the exact player we wanted is not a failure.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

MM has nailed it this year. To bring in Ramma, Blanc, Amon, Meek, Stephens, McKenzie and Webble on top of the young squad we already have. We aren’t rebuilding our list over the next few years …… most of it has already happened. Now it’s time to sit back and enjoy watching them all come through together to deliver the brown and gold more silverware

I wanted Bowes.

 

[peetoo]

Also apart from robbing north blind 04-07 hawks have not ‘won’ trades for 20 years. They’ve also won the most premierships, and appear to be far from resting on their laurels

 

[Books]

Like some others, I thought we overpaid to get pick 18. Then I was surprised by the choice of Weddle.

Having read more about him, I am very happy to have him. I often say we should trust the club, and sometimes they stretch my faith in them, but it looks like we have another gem in Josh Weddle.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Just a thought for the 'OmG We OvErPaId' crew - in the 2019 draft SDK went at pick 19. If you could get him in a trade now for 2 seconds and a third it would be highway robbery. If you did it on the night you would be written about now as though your list manager was a genius. Let's let Weddle get his career going before we put MM's head on a pike, shall we?

 

[FB19]

OK obviously I’m not popular I’ve had a long day and a lot to drink. I will rephrase.
So my point is clear and then call me what you will.
I like both our picks think they will both be very good players for us.
I like we did something ambitious.
I think we could have done better in both our trades.
Is that a more reasonable position to take?

 

[Hawk the Talk]

Burgiel, Long, Binns, O'Sullivan, Leary in that order for a small mid/forward.

Lemmey, McCallum, Keeler, Van Es, Teal in that order for a spec tall.

Vickery to slip into the rookie draft. Pick up O'Sullivan, Leary, Van Es, or Teal in the rookie draft if they fall that far.

100% with you. Would love Burgiel, a really smart footballer. Long a close second though

 

[CaptainPorks]

Will we have overpaid for Weddle if he wins us a final in 5-10 years?

No, the only question I’ve got about young Josh is his haircut. He looks the goods to me.

 

[hawkinoz]

OK obviously I’m not popular I’ve had a long day and a lot to drink. I will rephrase.
So my point is clear and then call me what you will.
I like both our picks think they will both be very good players for us.
I like we did something ambitious.
I think we could have done better in both our trades.
Is that a more reasonable position to take?

You are missing the point, can't do better if we traded for pick 15-20( as that was a fairer deal) as the person we want is not there.
at 24 we are left with not exactly who we want.

I only think we could have done better with the Lions trade as we had enough time. At bare miniumum shoudl have traded for 46+56+59 for 48+50+63

kept 41 and then traded rest for 36 + F3(WB)

 

[Hawk the Talk]

BTW we were not getting a player of Weddle’s quality at our second pick. We moved up because we rate him and we paid what was required to move into the first round. It’s that simple

 

[KermitJagger]

OK obviously I’m not popular I’ve had a long day and a lot to drink. I will rephrase.
So my point is clear and then call me what you will.
I like both our picks think they will both be very good players for us.
I like we did something ambitious.
I think we could have done better in both our trades.
Is that a more reasonable position to take?

Having less than 10 minutes to negotiate a trade with a club who also wants the player you're targeting isn't going to result in a fair and balanced trade. You're perfectly within your rights to hope for a more fair deal, but it was either take what was discussed or miss out on the player we clearly were desperate for.

Which do you think is the better outcome

• Taking the risk we might pay overs for a player we wanted, or
• Holding out for a better deal and missing out on him entirely?

 

[Books]

OK obviously I’m not popular I’ve had a long day and a lot to drink. I will rephrase.
So my point is clear and then call me what you will.
I like both our picks think they will both be very good players for us.
I like we did something ambitious.
I think we could have done better in both our trades.
Is that a more reasonable position to take?

Mate, I agree with your post, but you do realise it is 10 am? You've already had a long day and a lot to drink??

 

[VandoHawk]

OK obviously I’m not popular I’ve had a long day and a lot to drink. I will rephrase.
So my point is clear and then call me what you will.
I like both our picks think they will both be very good players for us.
I like we did something ambitious.
I think we could have done better in both our trades.
Is that a more reasonable position to take?

I think this is a more reasonable take because looking at the points system we did give up a considerable amount. But there are several factors that make it more agreeable.

1) Weddle has incredibly high upside. I have had it confirmed to me he was top 10 in our rankings.

2) The points system is an arbitrary ranking that was brought in for bidding. We would have weighed up opportunity cost to our internal rankings.

3) We haven’t REALLY traded out of next year – we still possess a future second and third (both linked to WB). At worst, we’ve downgraded ~10 spots which isn’t make or break for a rebuild. It's not like we gave up our future first.

4) If McCabe develops as expected we may have lost the pick anyway.

 

[Jazzfan]

Time will tell with every kid drafted, and every trade made.

Like the look of Weddle. Club smashed 2022 draft, so I'm comfortable in the move. But there's no guarantees. Right now every fan base thinks they've got the next Dusty, Ablett, Buddy or whoever.

 

[FB19]

You are missing the point, can't do better if we traded for pick 20 as the person we want is not there.
at 24 we are left with not exactly who we want.

I only think we could have done better with the Lions trade as we had enough time. At bare miniumum shoudl have traded for 46+56+59 for 48+50+63

kept 41 and then traded rest for 36 + F3(WB)

My frustration is aligned at the core of all of our support I.e. wanting to move back up the ladder and seeing that based on available evidence rebuilding is a very hard thing to do over a long period of time. We can’t afford to make mistakes or you end up like so many other clubs in no man’s land and I just feel we had chances to achieve this result without so much loss. I’m just a drinker on the couch I’m probably wrong but if I can’t express that opinion then I’m not sure of the point of this forum.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Mate, I agree with your post, but you do realise it is 10 am? You've already had a long day and a lot to drink??

in fairness to FB I am fairly sure he is London based.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I can’t express that opinion then I’m not sure of the point of this forum.

You can express all the opinions you like - however people are equally as free to express their opinions about your opinions. Also - stating your opinions as being objective facts is always going to bring some disagreement.

 

[KermitJagger]

Will we have overpaid for Weddle if he wins us a final in 5-10 years?

No, the only question I’ve got about young Josh is his haircut. He looks the goods to me.

I'm not even that old and I couldn't believe some of the atrocious haircuts on display last night. Josh was just one of an absolute deluge.

 

[FB19]

in fairness to FB I am fairly sure he is London based.

It’s more impressive surely if I have clocked in for a solid hours work and then got on the turps!

 

[FB19]

You can express all the opinions you like - however people are equally as free to express their opinions about your opinions. Also - stating your opinions as being objective facts is always going to bring some disagreement.

Ah the extra Guinness…

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I'm not even that old and I couldn't believe some of the atrocious haircuts on display last night. Josh was just one of an absolute deluge.

I like all the baggy t-shirts and surfer haircuts - feels like it's the mid-90s again. I just need Recovery back on Saturday mornings and have no bills to pay and life will be sweet!

 

[FB19]

I think this is a more reasonable take because looking at the points system we did give up a considerable amount. But there are several factors that make it more agreeable.

1) Weddle has incredibly high upside. I have had it confirmed to me he was top 10 in our rankings.

2) The points system is an arbitrary ranking that was brought in for bidding. We would have weighed up opportunity cost to our internal rankings.

3) We haven’t REALLY traded out of next year – we still possess a future second and third (both linked to WB). At worst, we’ve downgraded ~10 spots which isn’t make or break for a rebuild. It's not like we gave up our future first.

4) If McCabe develops as expected we may have lost the pick anyway.

It’s hard to say I’d done a lot of mental gymnastics about how we could get 3 f1 picks and this scuppered that maybe that’s why I’m pissed. How dare they execute their well thought out and researched plans to get the player they want in the job they are paid to do that contradict my late night drunken googling…

 

[Rhayader]

I’ll delete my account if our future second is inside 20. Tonight’s first pick is 22, last year it was 21 and the year before 27.

Suns have a top 5-10 academy and another 10-20 academy.
Does McCabe go 10-20?
Next Darcy at the Dogs ?
What else ?
What free agents may leave and get round 1 compensation ? Parish ?

If next years is 23-25 this deal feels a lot better


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I tend to ignore/not count father-sons and northern academy picks because they are rarely actually available to other teams, so in my mind it could still be “inside 20” if things go bad.

But by that logic, weddle is pick 14, which makes the trade seem better anyway so

Frankly, if our F2 ends up as 19, I’ll be too busy thinking about our F1

 

[FB19]

So moving on (by looking in the mirror) who is there and who would we think is realistic at 37 and 45? With Ward newk and mackenzie does D’aloia as that clearance inside mid make sense? Do we take a speculative go at magor or lemmey? Will vickery get into the 40s?
I’m going to make a choice and say magor at 37 and D’aloia at 45 with vickery rookie that would be a great result