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For sure, I'm certainly not arguing that it's one of the worst articles they've put out. It's a valiant effort in a sea of dross, but I still think it falls a fair way short of genuine sporting analysis.
It bugs me that Max went halfway to some really interesting views then, when it got to the good bit, just eyeballed the top half of the club lists and ran with a bunch of suppositions in much the same manner that the rest of the peanut gallery did.
If you're going to talk in absolutes because the data says something is going to happen, you should keep using the data to support your predicted outcomes.
Having said all of that I'm going to make myself sad if I expect so much from our dear footy media, so I'll give Max a gold star for effort and just be happy that he sort of tried.
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Three shaky clubs face slides as clear finals bolter emerges: 13 AFL greats predict top eight changes
Dark horse rivals can’t ‘sleep’ on as clear finals bolter emerges: 13 AFL greats predict top 8 changes
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Hahaha, looks like the boffins over at Fox Footy thought Max's article was a little too academic and so they've gone hard in the other direction. Including such gems as this doozy from Alistair Lynch when explaining why Fremantle are going to drop out of the “I’m plucking them to pick someone.”
F me ded this media landscape is bleak.
The logic seems to be three teams fall out the right each year. Reality is though it is never the three most expected teams.
To me though Collingwood and Western Bulldogs are most likely to drop. Anything can happen to ageing squads like Geelong and Richmond. Melbourne are an injury from Fritsch away from having the worst forward line of last year's top eight. Will the Grand Final haunt Sydney?
Literally anyone could drop out. Statistically they'll be 2-3 changes minimum but it won't be who we expect.
To me though Collingwood and Western Bulldogs are most likely to drop. Anything can happen to ageing squads like Geelong and Richmond. Melbourne are an injury from Fritsch away from having the worst forward line of last year's top eight. Will the Grand Final haunt Sydney?
Literally anyone could drop out. Statistically they'll be 2-3 changes minimum but it won't be who we expect.
100%. That and there is not guarantee that 3 or 2 or 1 fall out. It could be 0 or 4. History isn't the driver of the present, it's just a good indicator of what is most likely.
Fairly sure many had Geelong out last year and now those same people are gushing over them as if they'll never lose another game.
I know people like to media bash if they dare same something negative about Freo, but this is ridiculous.
Three shaky clubs face slides as clear finals bolter emerges: 13 AFL greats predict top eight changes
Dark horse rivals can’t ‘sleep’ on as clear finals bolter emerges: 13 AFL greats predict top 8 changes
Hahaha, looks like the boffins over at Fox Footy thought Max's article was a little too academic and so they've gone hard in the other direction. Including such gems as this doozy from Alistair Lynch when explaining why Fremantle are going to drop out of the “I’m plucking them to pick someone.”
F me ded this media landscape is bleak.
Lynch gave some valid reasons - departures of Lobb, Mundy, acres, Logue not being fully offset by jackson and O’meara coupled with us having a really tough draw - as to why “if he was forced to pick someone he’d pick us” (to slide). That was clearly what he meant by his rather awkward phrasing.
The article admitted it is much easier to pick the ins than the outs.
and surely you can admit it is hard to argue with his logic (tough draw and net loss of players)?
Depends whether you consider those outs losses, I don’t.
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Tbh I don't mind at all that they're picking Freo to slide, we either will or we won't and Alistair Lynch's view won't change that.
I was more pointing out that I had already taken issue with Max Laughton falling short on the data analysis of how the ladder will change, and almost in response to that Fox Footy wrote an entirely new article asking the "experts" to try and pick those changes based on their gut (i.e. going even further from genuine analysis).
So I'm trying to lament the quality of the media, not get all fussy because the meanies in Victoria don't think we're good enough.
I'm fine with Lynch picking us, but his logic fails to consider other factors like our ins, natural development, other team's outs and how that effects match-ups etc etc. And that's also ok because Lynch shouldn't be asked to try and predict these things, he's in the media to react to football not be Nostradamus.
His sister is definitely more media savvy. NOD mumbled a fair bit in his appearance last season. Can improve perhaps.
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Someone needs to play the straight faced role in the podcast and I think Emma would be better suited to that being the older sister, but it would also stomp on her natural charisma.
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hehehe. I burnt them at the stake along with my "couldn't giv a fux" with mass murdered media muppets opinions
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besides, I'm pretty sure the camera's usually only about waist height. So we're all safe
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Moose using psychology to defeat our opponents. More of this please. Ha.
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And on Ross Lyon;
“Maybe he’ll be out on the ground after the game and I’ll be able to say g’day – hopefully he’s a bit crabby because we’ve just got a win.”
‘Nightmare to play on’: Freo skipper’s warning for rivals
Alex Pearce has a warning for his rival AFL defenders: When you face Freo, there’s a ‘nightmare’ match-up waiting for you.
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And on Ross Lyon;
“Maybe he’ll be out on the ground after the game and I’ll be able to say g’day – hopefully he’s a bit crabby because we’ve just got a win.”
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Speaking of stats-filled media, I'm still struggling to figure out how reigning AFLPA MVP Andrew Brayshaw is ranked as the 48th best player (and 27th best midfielder) in this piece. Anyone got any ideas?
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If I had to guess, it will be because his contested possession numbers are much lower than other midfielders. The model won't capture that this is by design.Speaking of stats-filled media, I'm still struggling to figure out how reigning AFLPA MVP Andrew Brayshaw is ranked as the 48th best player (and 27th best midfielder) in this piece. Anyone got any ideas?
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- Clicks on the linkSpeaking of stats-filled media, I'm still struggling to figure out how reigning AFLPA MVP Andrew Brayshaw is ranked as the 48th best player (and 27th best midfielder) in this piece. Anyone got any ideas?
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It's simple. Who is the most damaging midfielder the game has seen? What made Gary Ablett Jnr so damaging? High possession, high score involvement, hits the scoreboard. Weight those stats accordingly to achieve the statistical representation of what you expected to see. Who else is effective? Chris Judd. Clearances, score involvement. Weight those accordingly. Who is better Judd at peak or GAJ at peak? Gary, so make sure the stats are weighted accordingly.
This is how key defenders who restrict their opponent to zero goals will be ranked lower than key defenders who have four goals a game kicked on them but are involved in scoring chains and intercept marks.
Is it more important to be involved in more goals scored as an aggregate or more important for the percentage of total involvements to result in goals? Weight that multiplier accordingly.
This is how key defenders who restrict their opponent to zero goals will be ranked lower than key defenders who have four goals a game kicked on them but are involved in scoring chains and intercept marks.
Is it more important to be involved in more goals scored as an aggregate or more important for the percentage of total involvements to result in goals? Weight that multiplier accordingly.
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Not to get too footy nerd on it but if you work back from goals scored as the primary metric, being purely clinical about how to win football games by kicking goals and denying goals - it puts Sean Darcy as our most valuable player and potentially one of the most valuable players in the league. Luke Jackson could also be that valuable to us.
All because the number of goals he indirectly creates through the start of scoring chains, clearances directly or indirectly contributed to - and then obviously the marks taken moving the ball out of defense and goals scored directly from his own foot.
Rank method of scoring for each club, either stoppage, centre stoppage, scores from defensive half, scores from defensive fifty, scores from turnovers in each of those four quadrants (i50x2, forward half, defensive half) - and then rank the players based on their involvement in those primary scoring methods.
All because the number of goals he indirectly creates through the start of scoring chains, clearances directly or indirectly contributed to - and then obviously the marks taken moving the ball out of defense and goals scored directly from his own foot.
Rank method of scoring for each club, either stoppage, centre stoppage, scores from defensive half, scores from defensive fifty, scores from turnovers in each of those four quadrants (i50x2, forward half, defensive half) - and then rank the players based on their involvement in those primary scoring methods.
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Perfect time for a pee break. BRB.
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You wouldn't necessarily look at this ranking of midfielder data and derive the ratings outlined here would you? Definitely some secret sauce going in which discredits the whole thing.
Edit - Taylor might just have unpacked that above!
Speaking of stats-filled media, I'm still struggling to figure out how reigning AFLPA MVP Andrew Brayshaw is ranked as the 48th best player (and 27th best midfielder) in this piece. Anyone got any ideas?
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One is data driven and one is just a bunch of opinions.
Fact.
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