Toast #BringBackTheBars - Our Heritage, Our History, Our Right! Part 2

[El_Scorcho]

When will people realise that the PBs or Wharf Pylon jumpers are a timeless design and any addition etc are just bastardisations?
You either respect and wear it as is or consign it to history and don’t touch it.


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I'm fine with alternative PBs being suggested as our clash guernsey as long as the context is that they'd be used alongside a PBs full time home guernsey

Until we have total control over when and where we wear the bars, no alternatives.

 

[Interstater]

I'm fine with alternative PBs being suggested as our clash guernsey as long as the context is that they'd be used alongside a PBs full time home guernsey

Until we have total control over when and where we wear the bars, no alternatives.

Yeh my opinion has changed on this slightly from my original hard-line opinion.
If we have to incorporate a teal splodge (or something similar) to use the prison bar design as our normal home jumper then I'm all for it.

I 100% want us to use the 1919 jumper for ANZAC Day though, and while I don't really care, using the 1970's/1980's PB's against the Crows as a heritage us against them thing.

I just want to see the Prison Bars normalised as our home kit before there is no one around that remembers life before 1997.
But I want it to be done on our terms, with our design, and with minimal teal, just enough to differentiate.
Collingwood were in the VFL\AFL before us and we have to accept that and move on, and then kick their arse at every opportunity.

And we should dump the Power and adopt the dolphins while there still are dolphins in the Port River.
New supporters would engage with Dolphins, they don't engage with a lightning bolt.

Evolve and grow on our own terms.

 

[chiwigi]

The Guernsey looks so much better with white shorts!

 

[El_Scorcho]

Yeh my opinion has changed on this slightly from my original hard-line opinion.
If we have to incorporate a teal splodge (or something similar) to use the prison bar design as our normal home jumper then I'm all for it.

I 100% want us to use the 1919 jumper for ANZAC Day though, and while I don't really care, using the 1970's/1980's PB's against the Crows as a heritage us against them thing.

I just want to see the Prison Bars normalised as our home kit before there is no one around that remembers life before 1997.
But I want it to be done on our terms, with our design, and with minimal teal, just enough to differentiate.
Collingwood were in the VFL\AFL before us and we have to accept that and move on, and then kick their arse at every opportunity.

And we should dump the Power and adopt the dolphins while there still are dolphins in the Port River.
New supporters would engage with Dolphins, they don't engage with a lightning bolt.

Evolve and grow on our own terms.

It's a difficult one.

If we'd entered the AFL with black and black and teal PBs in 1997, I'm convinced we'd still be wearing them and it would have significantly helped our mid 2000s identity crisis. We sacrificed our entire pre-AFL branding when there was really no reason why we couldn't keep the most distinctive, Port specific part of it, the PB design itself.

But at this point, given the bullshit lack of respect given to our heritage from the league, adding teal to the PBs feels like another compromise when our entire identity has been compromise after compromise since 1996. It's our enemies trying to snooker us into sacrificing the true bars for something that isn't Port Adelaide.

(Although I'd also argue that the Prison Bars design in ANY colours is a distinctly Port Adelaide design. Like West Coast, Sydney and Fitzroy/Brisbane, we have a famous, unique design. Freo's anchor is another example)

I'd prefer we don't compromise on the original bars until we've got total control over when and where we wear them.

 

[1954]

It's a difficult one.

If we'd entered the AFL with black and black and teal PBs in 1997, I'm convinced we'd still be wearing them and it would have significantly helped our mid 2000s identity crisis. We sacrificed our entire pre-AFL branding when there was really no reason why we couldn't keep the most distinctive, Port specific part of it, the PB design itself.

But at this point, given the bullshit lack of respect given to our heritage from the league, adding teal to the PBs feels like another compromise when our entire identity has been compromise after compromise since 1996. It's our enemies trying to snooker us into sacrificing the true bars for something that isn't Port Adelaide.

(Although I'd also argue that the Prison Bars design in ANY colours is a distinctly Port Adelaide design. Like West Coast, Sydney and Fitzroy/Brisbane, we have a famous, unique design. Freo's anchor is another example)

I'd prefer we don't compromise on the original bars until we've got total control over when and where we wear them.

Good points, in the past I have been against tinkering with the the PB's but I've also come to the conclusion that it's the design that makes it iconic, and not just the colours, and if the black and white had been replaced with black and teal way back in 1997 I suspect most of us would have eventually accepted it, but to do it now would be way too much of a compromise.

 

[wannabejack]

I think that tinkering with the PB colours back in 1997 would have make it even more difficult, if not impossible, to wear the original jumper in the AFL.

 

[Steve Dore]

Our heritage Prison Bars guernsey is both a pattern based on two colours and a colour combination, black and white. IMHO discussion of adding other colours but using a similar pattern altered to accommodate additional colours belongs in the guernsey design thread.

 

[Fizzler]

I'm fine with alternative PBs being suggested as our clash guernsey as long as the context is that they'd be used alongside a PBs full time home guernsey

Until we have total control over when and where we wear the bars, no alternatives.

See I’m a little torn on this. I like the hardline approach of not messing with the bars unless we get the real deal as our home jumper, but on the flip side I think it has the potential to normalise the design element as a Port Adelaide design in a national context. When I think of a good example of a PB based clash my mind goes to @aCunningPlan’s design which in my opinion would make a great clash jumper because a good chunk of the design is the unaltered Prison Bars, just not the bottom half. I’ll quote it here for those unfamiliar.

Just a clash jumper idea, does this pass the test for Port fans?

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I’d go for black numbers for the obvious fact that it’s more traditional and minimises the teal, but also because it’d be way more visible on field. But utilising the PB part of the logo in the position they would normally sit on the jumper is genius to me. I’d just hope in the alternate universe where this was our clash jumper it isn’t used against us in the “well clearly you can modify the jumper so you don’t need to wear the original” way.

 

[El_Scorcho]

See I’m a little torn on this. I like the hardline approach of not messing with the bars unless we get the real deal as our home jumper, but on the flip side I think it has the potential to normalise the design element as a Port Adelaide design in a national context.

Yeah, I posted a little earlier that it's an interesting thought experiment to think about what might have happened if we prioritised the PB design over all else when we entered the league. We'd almost certainly be looking at black and teal bars, probably worn the whole way through as a home guernsey. What would that have done for our branding?

 

[chooke]

Happy anniversary PAFC, 153 years old today.

 

[GremioPower]

 

[Fizzler]

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Oh how nice it feels to see the black and white meme swing the other way

 

[ibd77]

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RIP GWS cheer squad, you will not be forgotten.

 

[DaTBird187]

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[zorbacles]

so the magpies want us to put teal on the prison bars.

ok, make the entire bottom 25% of the jumper teal. Just a massive teal block.

Then get the players to tuck it in so you cant see it.

 

[simba_]

why don't collingwood put green on their bars?

 

[Chewy316]

so the magpies want us to put teal on the prison bars.

ok, make the entire bottom 25% of the jumper teal. Just a massive teal block.

Then get the players to tuck it in so you cant see it.

Something like this?



I don't like the idea of bastardising the bars, but I at least understand the teal at the bottom which would make sense in terms of it being the sea where the wharf pylons are embedded.

I don't think we have much time left to push the bars. In a few years the AFL will have a reserves comp, and I'd be surprised at that point if Port Adelaide still keeps a team at SANFL - and once that ceases to exist, dare I say the bars will likely become just a point of history.

 

[simba_]

Prison Bars: "wading through nuclear waste" edition

 

[zorbacles]

Something like this?

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I don't like the idea of bastardising the bars, but I at least understand the teal at the bottom which would make sense in terms of it being the sea where the wharf pylons are embedded.

I don't think we have much time left to push the bars. In a few years the AFL will have a reserves comp, and I'd be surprised at that point if Port Adelaide still keeps a team at SANFL - and once that ceases to exist, dare I say the bars will likely become just a point of history.

I hadnt seen that design before. i actually like it. Its much better than the one with the teal stripes.
however, the teal goes too high up for my example. it needs to be completely invisible when tucked in.

 

[Jonts]

Why does the club have to settle for anything less than autonomy over home guernsey

 

[Festerz]

so the magpies want us to put teal on the prison bars.

The bellends probably 'want' us to drink bubble tea and play hopscotch at half time. Perhaps we should come up with an alternative to that as well just to appease almighty CFC?

It is none of their feckin' business.

That what 'they want' (in terms of denying an other team in the same competition the right to recognising their heritage and history) is given any legitimacy at all in a competition that claims to be a professional national league is disgrace.

Stop giving them any airtime for their BS. Focus instead on calling it out for its hypocrisy and arrogance.

 

[Grave Danger]

so the magpies want us to put teal on the prison bars.

ok, make the entire bottom 25% of the jumper teal. Just a massive teal block.

Then get the players to tuck it in so you cant see it.

That would only apply to JHF

 

[jdeezy]

Something like this?

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I don't like the idea of bastardising the bars, but I at least understand the teal at the bottom which would make sense in terms of it being the sea where the wharf pylons are embedded.

I don't think we have much time left to push the bars. In a few years the AFL will have a reserves comp, and I'd be surprised at that point if Port Adelaide still keeps a team at SANFL - and once that ceases to exist, dare I say the bars will likely become just a point of history.

I still rate this as a Guernsey and would be more than happy to go with this as a home Guernsey as long as we had full autonomy of when to wear the prison bars, as we should with every Guernsey we've ever worn, as should every club (for all clubs, you only should be allowed to wear what you want at any point as long as it doesn't cause a clash as an away team and that's it).

But obviously the proper version is the first thing to sort

 

[Interstater]

The bellends probably 'want' us to drink bubble tea and play hopscotch at half time. Perhaps we should come up with an alternative to that as well just to appease almighty CFC?

It is none of their feckin' business.

That what 'they want' is given any legitimacy at all in a competition that claims to be a professional national league is disgrace.

Stop giving them any airtime for their BS.

Because that has worked so well for the last generation.
Now that we have some reasonable people in charge at Collingwood I think we should work on a win/win before that option goes away altogether.

We need to focus on normalising the wearing of the bars.

 

[Festerz]

We need to focus on normalising the wearing of the bars.

Agreed. At home. And never against Collingwood.

Because we get the politics and, unlike Collingwood, respect TV spectators right for a decent contrast clash jumper given they pay the way for the AFL to survive.

And (maybe) just against the crows in the H&A season because both clubs understand what it means.