Toast #BringBackTheBars - Our Heritage, Our History, Our Right! Part 2

[captain ebert]

Something like this?

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I don't like the idea of bastardising the bars, but I at least understand the teal at the bottom which would make sense in terms of it being the sea where the wharf pylons are embedded.

I don't think we have much time left to push the bars. In a few years the AFL will have a reserves comp, and I'd be surprised at that point if Port Adelaide still keeps a team at SANFL - and once that ceases to exist, dare I say the bars will likely become just a point of history.

That’s pretty impressive in isolation. But in real life, on the body, it ain’t going to look as good. And it still isn’t the bars.

 

[Festerz]

That’s pretty impressive in isolation. But in real life, on the body, it ain’t going to look as good. And it still isn’t the bars.

Agreed. I like it. A lot. From a design and visual perspective.

But it bastardises our history.

And recognising our history is the sole point of insisting on the bars. Or have I got that wrong?

A bit like putting shade sails on the Pyramids or hand rails on the Great Wall of China.

 

[wannabejack]

Agreed. I like it. A lot. From a design and visual perspective.

But it bastardises our history.

And recognising our history is the sole point of insisting on the bars. Or have I got that wrong?

A bit like putting shade sails on the Pyramids or hand rails on the Great Wall of China.

"recognising our history is the sole point of insisting on the bars"

 

[GremioPower]

Something like this?

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I don't like the idea of bastardising the bars, but I at least understand the teal at the bottom which would make sense in terms of it being the sea where the wharf pylons are embedded.

I don't think we have much time left to push the bars. In a few years the AFL will have a reserves comp, and I'd be surprised at that point if Port Adelaide still keeps a team at SANFL - and once that ceases to exist, dare I say the bars will likely become just a point of history.

This is the best design I’ve seen with teal.

However, I’ll repeat, these designs only make sense if we can play without the teal whenever we want.

 

[dirty2]

Normal PB's at home vs who ever. Then we can have a different coloured PB's away from home.

 

[Steve Dore]

Normal PB's at home vs who ever. Then we can have a different coloured PB's away from home.

Different coloured Prison Bars? Like Collingwood's clash, white and black instead of black and white.

 

[dirty2]

Different coloured Prison Bars? Like Collingwood's clash, white and black instead of black and white.

Happy to have a clash prison bars Guernsey for away games when/if needed. But at home it should be our traditional black and white PB's

 

[Steve Dore]

Happy to have a clash prison bars Guernsey for away games when/if needed. But at home it should be our traditional black and white PB's

There is only one Prison Bars guernsey and it is black and white.

 

[El_Scorcho]

There is only one Prison Bars guernsey and it is black and white.

Yes but in a hypothetical situation where we have control over the bars and wear them at home games, a colour swapped version as a clash makes sense. White or silver based with black bars would probably look pretty good.

Again ONLY if we have full control over what we wear and can wear the bars at home full time.

 

[1954]

At the risk of being accused of heresy (and I can't recall who originally made this comment), but it's the design of the PB's that is iconic and not necessarily the colours, and where in the past I have never been in favour of any change to the original with the luxury of hindsight I now wonder if we had gone with black and teal, or probably more preferably a black and silver version we could have broken the barriers down for the real PB's by stealth and eventually used it in a lot more AFL games than the measly number we have so far.

By accident, or by design we have seen different shades of teal used over our AFL journey, some have looked a bit greenish and others more blue, so there had to be a chance with the change of guernsey manufacturers over the years some versions of silver could have taken on a whitish tinge over the fullness of time.

 

[edgie]

If we got a 'two home games a season' in the classic PB agreement, would people then take a compromise as an option in all other games?

 

[zorbacles]

Honestly i would be happy to only wear the bars on special occasions. otherwise it loses its impact. it is most definitely our heritage and i love it. have been a port supporter since the 80s when i was a kid my Aunty had me barracking for port before i even knew what football was.

But i also love our V home guernsey. That is our statement on the AFL. its one of the best AFL jumpers there is.

I just think wearing the PB at every home game will dilute its power

 

[JimmyBC]

I'm starting to think our current home kit is a better guernsey. I waver but sometimes it looks sexy as fukc.

come at me

 

[Cheesey Mac]

I just think wearing the PB at every home game will dilute its power

We wore it at every home game from 1902 through 1996, we had some bad years wearing it which you could argue diluted its power and many good years wearing it which you could say enhanced its power. Ultimately that jumper is a statement of self, good or bad, it is who we are, where we came from and should be ours to wear at our own discretion.

In any other legitimate football competition in the world we'd be allowed to choose our home kit without needing to get the nod from another club, it will never happen but in a perfect world I'd wear it every home game going forward.

 

[GremioPower]

I have told Fizzler my opinion once, and it hasn’t changed. We should wear the PB’s only for:

— Showdowns
— Anzac Day
— Finals (but v. Pies away)

I love our current jumper.

 

[bomberclifford]

I'm starting to think our current home kit is a better guernsey. I waver but sometimes it looks sexy as fukc.

come at me

It's a great guernsey. It's coming up to being the most consistently worn guernsey in our history, apart from the prison bars of course.

 

[simba_]

Honestly i would be happy to only wear the bars on special occasions. otherwise it loses its impact.

how could it lose its impact by being worn? did that happen to us last century?

 

[Steve Dore]

Yes but in a hypothetical situation where we have control over the bars and wear them at home games, a colour swapped version as a clash makes sense. ...

A "coloured swap" version isn't the Prison Bars Eddie.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

If we got a 'two home games a season' in the classic PB agreement, would people then take a compromise as an option in all other games?

Id rather just wear the bars for the two games and totally different guernseys the others.

The bastardised versions all just look like cheap knock offs.

Id still definitely prefer all home games. But would settle for 2 home games of our choice plus ANZAC day.

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[glitch01]

So it the Lions decide to honour their heritage and wear an old Fitzroy jumper they should change the colours as they are very close to the Crows colours……..?
No….they wear the old jumper as per their history and tradition.

Seems pretty simple to me….PBs are black and white!!


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[zorbacles]

how could it lose its impact by being worn? did that happen to us last century?

at the moment when we wear it in the AFL, its special. because its our history, its our club.

regardless all the crap that goes along with it, its not our AFL jumper. Our current home AFL jumper is just as important.

if we start wearing the PB as our regular home jumper, it becomes just that. our regular home jumper. yes its still a special jumper, but its not as much of an occasion when its worn.

 

[Fizzler]

I have told Fizzler my opinion once, and it hasn’t changed. We should wear the PB’s only for:

— Showdowns
— Anzac Day
— Finals (but v. Pies away)

I love our current jumper.

I’m in the same boat, though less so for finals just in case we lose a final in them, would be demoralising and opens us up to the “focus on the footy not the jumper” braindead crowd.

 

[Cheesey Mac]

at the moment when we wear it in the AFL, its special. because its our history, its our club.

regardless all the crap that goes along with it, its not our AFL jumper. Our current home AFL jumper is just as important.

if we start wearing the PB as our regular home jumper, it becomes just that. our regular home jumper. yes its still a special jumper, but its not as much of an occasion when its worn.

It's only an occasion now because we've been denied the right to self determination. If we had the choice in 1996 of wearing that jumper in the AFL I reckon we'd have worn it, and it wouldn't have been a special jumper in the way that rarity of use brings but it would always be special to us and importantly we'd have had control over usage. This is obviously a sliding doors parallel universe, but I say it to illustrate that the only reason it is a special occasion now is because we've been denied the right to wear it for so long.

Realistically we are not going to have it as a permanent home kit ever again, I've made some level of peace with that, but we shouldn't have to jump through hoops to wear it and be dictated or constrained when other clubs get to trot out their heritage strips whenever they please.

 

[zorbacles]

I have told Fizzler my opinion once, and it hasn’t changed. We should wear the PB’s only for:

— Showdowns
— Anzac Day
— Finals (but v. Pies away)

I love our current jumper.

I’m in the same boat, though less so for finals just in case we lose a final in them, would be demoralising and opens us up to the “focus on the footy not the jumper” braindead crowd.

I think wearing it in finals would be ok. Though maybe not the Grand Final. The AFL Grand Final should be our AFL jumper. It worked well in the EF vs Richmond

If this is set as a permanent thing, the "focus on the footy not the jumper" crowd is null and void. they only reason they are a thing is because there is a big build up every time we want to wear it. if wearing is normal for these games, they cant claim it as a distraction.

This is obviously a sliding doors parallel universe, but I say it to illustrate that the only reason it is a special occasion now is because we've been denied the right to wear it for so long.

Regardless of the reason, it is now a special occasion. I think keeping it as such is a good thing.

but we shouldn't have to jump through hoops to wear it and be dictated or constrained when other clubs get to trot out their heritage strips whenever they please.

This I agree with.

 

[simba_]

at this rate we'll have a different guernsey every single game