Opinion Sack Hinkley 8 - "Ask me in August"

[Grave Danger]

It's not the coach's fault though, he's at the top of his game...

 

[tribey]

lol, Shaun Hart

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I can’t believe the bloke who boasted about proselytising in the workplace — “throwing seeds” — is a retrograde so and so.

 

[edgie]

Hey

It wouldn't surprise me if Tredders is blacklisted from the club because of his political beliefs, even excluding covid

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[TeeKray]

Swans, Hawks, Geelong, Richmond. The most enviable teams of the past 20 years all have one thing in common: 2 coaches over that entire period. Port in that same period have won a flag, been to a grand final and 3-4 prelims. Similar the the Bulldogs. Same number of coaches, I wonder? Yep. Both had rebuilding coaches that didn't last. Ken's record and where you are now shows he was the right appointment. This is likely his last year, no need to spend it calling him a fat loser and attributing all his successes to other people. Just makes you look petty.

Paul Roos won a flag in his 3rd year, John Longmire won a flag in his 2nd year.

Alastair Clarkson won a flag in his 4th year.

Mark Thompson won a flag in his 8th year, Chris Scott won a flag in his 1st year.

Damien Hardwick won a flag in his 8th year.

Ken Hinkley is in his 11th year and hasn't even made a grand final let alone won a flag.

As for the totally disingenuous Bulldogs comparison - you've just compared Port's record to the Bulldogs as being fairly equivalent over a 20 year period (correct) but made the ridiculous assertion that that makes Hinkley and Beveridge equivalents. Mark Williams was the one who won the premiership and made the grand finals ala Beveridge. Hinkley is Rodney Eade. And Rodney Eade got sacked.

 

[bomberclifford]

SHart. What a grand time that was.

 

[snozulu]

SHart. What a grand time that was.

 

[Willsy10]

It's not the coach's fault though, he's at the top of his game...

So he is basically saying the list is rubbish and we are only winning because of the brilliant mind of Ken Hinkley. What a load of nonsense.

Kane is getting really desperate to endorse Hinkley there.

If we aren’t in the premiership conversation who the hell is? Is it just Collingwood and the rest should just give up? And if you actually look at collingwood’s list they are probably playing well above themselves too.

I think this is disrespectful to the list management team. I think that we are playing well because we actually do have a good list, when the Brownlow medallist of 2 years ago is your 4th or 5th wheel in the midfield, not to mention Boak who is barely even required to run through the middle anymore and nearly our entire pre season first choice forward line is on the sidelines and yet we are still kicking winning scores is a testament to Cripps, Parker and Davies putting together this list.








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[Coobk001]

It's not the coach's fault though, he's at the top of his game...

Collingwood.

Key backs - Moore & Murphy, maybe chuck a Frampton in there. Murphy and Frampton, that's no better than our defence.

Ruck - Darcy Cameron and Cox, Hardly striking fear into anyone, whilst Cameron is better than Lycett, he's not a star.

Key Forwards - Mihochek, Johnson, Cox, I'm taking Marshall, Dixon and Finlayson every day.

Collingwood are showing that it isn't all about your personnel, it's about the team. They have some mediocre players through the side and some really mediocre key position players. If they were sitting there critically analysing their list they'd say they want a key forward, they want a key back, they'd probably love some more inside class to replace some of the aging stars. Yet this team sits clearly a top the ladder and looks near unstoppable.

Meanwhile Kane Cornes is all Port couldn't possibly win the flag at 9-2, after winning more games against top 8 sides than we ever have in Hinkley's tenure, just because we're short a ruck.

Hey it might be a good reason why we fail, but the Hinkley is a mastercoach rhetoric is maddening. He's trying to position it that success for Hinkley is just being in the 8.

With our midfield we're definitely a top 5 side. Where we go from there is anyone's guess

 

[El_Scorcho]

If we aren’t in the premiership conversation who the hell is?

It's a classic Port mouthpiece under Koch attitude to start making excuses despite being 2nd on the ladder at the half way mark. Must avoid scrutiny, must avoid accountability, do not under any circumstances set a target internally or externally that someone might measure us on.

Better clubs just go and win the flag from this position. Better clubs aren't making excuses, they're seeing opportunities and taking them. We're Goldilocks theorying it and wonder why we never win when it matters. It's because we've already made the excuses, we're just fulfilling our own prophecy.

 

[naysayer]

Paul Roos won a flag in his 3rd year, John Longmire won a flag in his 2nd year.

Alastair Clarkson won a flag in his 4th year.

Mark Thompson won a flag in his 8th year, Chris Scott won a flag in his 1st year.

Damien Hardwick won a flag in his 8th year.

Ken Hinkley is in his 11th year and hasn't even made a grand final let alone won a flag.

As for the totally disingenuous Bulldogs comparison - you've just compared Port's record to the Bulldogs as being fairly equivalent over a 20 year period (correct) but made the ridiculous assertion that that makes Hinkley and Beveridge equivalents. Mark Williams was the one who won the premiership and made the grand finals ala Beveridge. Hinkley is Rodney Eade. And Rodney Eade got sacked.

Hinkley and Beveridge are a perfect comparison. Took over struggling teams, lead them to a miraculous turnaround within two years and have had good careers and success without pinching the flag ever since. Do you really think Bulldogs 2016 were better than Port 2014? I would say the opposite, if anything. Their groups both stagnated and traded out stars in order to regenerate and are now contending again. Their career trajectories really are quite similar, actually. If you disagree, fine, but don't just tell me that having a flag next to your name is the difference between a good coach and a bad one. No more true for coaches than it is for players

And Mark Williams? How short your memory is! The vitriol he faced from the media and from Port "fans" all the way up to winning the flag was legendary. Your fanbase has form. Have you ever considered that if you supported your club a little more, that they would actually perform better? You guys are the market for the endless negative content in the media that makes it harder for your staff and players to perform.

 

[naysayer]

• His vaunted 59% win percentage is supercharged by a 32-3 record against the Suns, Roos and Saints. Not exactly clubs you’ll routinely find at the pointy end;

• His record in night (many of them marquee) games at Adelaide Oval stands at 27 wins/27 losses. That’s nine and a half years of footy where what is popularly considered to be a fearsome home ground advantage is actually a coin flip;

• He won more finals in 2013/14 (3) than he has in the eight completed seasons since (2);

• The 2021 Prelim defeat against the banged-up, COVID-jailed Dogs was Port’s heaviest home defeat since 2011 — even the austerity-ravaged kids under Primus in 2012 put up a better fight of defending their home patch than Hinkley’s 18-5 white-hot favourites did that night.

Do yourself a favour and scratch below the surface just a little.

Two things.

Trying to poke holes in your own coach's good record strikes me as a low point for any supporter.

Secondly, you might have noticed that Ken Hinkley wasn't actually playing on the night of the Prelim, 2021. He was like you, watching and wondering why a capable and refreshed group were not executing the basics. That is all on the players. It's like blaming Mark Williams for 2007. Simply not the coach's job to do the basics on the field.

 

[Jason K]

Hinkley and Beveridge are a perfect comparison. Took over struggling teams, lead them to a miraculous turnaround within two years and have had good careers and success without pinching the flag ever since. Do you really think Bulldogs 2016 were better than Port 2014? I would say the opposite, if anything. Their groups both stagnated and traded out stars in order to regenerate and are now contending again. Their career trajectories really are quite similar, actually. If you disagree, fine, but don't just tell me that having a flag next to your name is the difference between a good coach and a bad one. No more true for coaches than it is for players

And Mark Williams? How short your memory is! The vitriol he faced from the media and from Port "fans" all the way up to winning the flag was legendary. Your fanbase has form. Have you ever considered that if you supported your club a little more, that they would actually perform better? You guys are the market for the endless negative content in the media that makes it harder for your staff and players to perform.

Don't presume to come here and tell us how Port members think. I was in Iraq for the 2004 GF and didn't get the VCR to watch the game for 3 months. I always knew we had the capacity to win. Choc knows the Port way and the pressure was expected. Myself, I will always love the man, but he lost his way badly after the his vilification and never recovered.

There's a major difference between Choc and Hinkley though. Choc always had the setups right. His gameplay was always A1. He just fell down on expectation. Hinkley is playing second rate has beens in place of young hope because of personal relationships. It's ****in ugly.

Two things.

Trying to poke holes in your own coach's good record strikes me as a low point for any supporter.

Secondly, you might have noticed that Ken Hinkley wasn't actually playing on the night of the Prelim, 2021. He was like you, watching and wondering why a capable and refreshed group were not executing the basics. That is all on the players. It's like blaming Mark Williams for 2007. Simply not the coach's job to do the basics on the field.

Sure, Hinkley wasn't playing but if you were in this city that week and you knew anything about his history you would see why we were so angry. Bulldogs had to spend all day sitting in a hanger in the tennis centre due to Covid 19, yet all week Hinkley is telling everyone that would listen how impossible it would be to beat such a great team that is the Western Bulldogs. Of course the players will have that rub off on them.They never thought they had a chance. Hinkley was covering his tracks prior to the game. He's a coward, plan and simple.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Hinkley and Beveridge are a perfect comparison. Took over struggling teams, lead them to a miraculous turnaround within two years and have had good careers and success without pinching the flag ever since. Do you really think Bulldogs 2016 were better than Port 2014? I would say the opposite, if anything. Their groups both stagnated and traded out stars in order to regenerate and are now contending again. Their career trajectories really are quite similar, actually. If you disagree, fine, but don't just tell me that having a flag next to your name is the difference between a good coach and a bad one. No more true for coaches than it is for players

And Mark Williams? How short your memory is! The vitriol he faced from the media and from Port "fans" all the way up to winning the flag was legendary. Your fanbase has form. Have you ever considered that if you supported your club a little more, that they would actually perform better? You guys are the market for the endless negative content in the media that makes it harder for your staff and players to perform.

Beveridge has won a flag and made a second Grand Final in less time than Hinkley has. It doesn't matter how "good" a team is, it matters if the team wins flags. If you polled

A mediocre coach over the long term is no different from a bad coach. Neither give you the chance to win a flag, the mediocre coach just makes you wait longer.

Choco rightfully got a lot of stick for losing qualifying finals despite having the best team in the league 2 years in a row He then won a flag in his 6th season. He's 10 times the coach Hinkley is.

Two things.

Trying to poke holes in your own coach's good record strikes me as a low point for any supporter.

Secondly, you might have noticed that Ken Hinkley wasn't actually playing on the night of the Prelim, 2021. He was like you, watching and wondering why a capable and refreshed group were not executing the basics. That is all on the players. It's like blaming Mark Williams for 2007. Simply not the coach's job to do the basics on the field.

It's been an 8 year low point. Our coach has the worst record of any 10 year coach in history and comfortably so.

This is a dumb campaigner argument. Blame the players when the mental bedshitting happens the first time, in the back half of 2014. When it's been happening for 9 years, look for the common denominator.

He's a poor coach with a bad record. His only good quality as a coach is his ability to "connect" with players, which hasn't made them mentally consistent, instead we've been the most mentally fragile club in the league. His record is indefensible. He holds several all time V/AFL records for mediocrity that will never be broken. Every single other club would have sacked him half a decade ago.

 

[Janus]

Just make sure you keep your promises not to attend games while Hinkley is coach, no matter what.

That's all I ask.

 

[naysayer]

Don't presume to come here and tell us how Port members think. I was in Iraq for the 2004 GF and didn't get the VCR to watch the game for 3 months. I always knew we had the capacity to win. Choc knows the Port way and the pressure was expected. Myself, I will always love the man, but he lost his way badly after the his vilification and never recovered.

There's a major difference between Choc and Hinkley though. Choc always had the setups right. His gameplay was always A1. He just fell down on expectation. Hinkley is playing second rate has beens in place of young hope because of personal relationships. It's *in ugly.



Sure, Hinkley wasn't playing but if you were in this city that week and you knew anything about his history you would see why we were so angry. Bulldogs had to spend all day sitting in a hanger in the tennis centre due to Covid 19, yet all week Hinkley is telling everyone that would listen how impossible it would be to beat such a great team that is the Western Bulldogs. Of course the players will have that rub off on them.They never thought they had a chance. Hinkley was covering his tracks prior to the game. He's a coward, plan and simple.

Firstly, I will presume to come here and give my opinion. I'm not trolling or criticising your team, I'm engaging in a discussion about Hinkley, supposedly the object of this thread. If you can't handle a view contrary to your little echo chamber then don't read them.

You call Hinkley a coward. I think that's weak of you, I have to say. You build yourself up as a military man, and then say that? The cowardly thing would actually be if Hinkley had walked away when the pressure came. I think cowardice is hiding behind a computer screen and launching personal attacks on the man who is coach of your sporting club because he's not living up to your expectations. I think it's cowardly to call yourself a supporter of a club, and then to make it harder for that club to succeed, which is what you're doing. There is not one constructive post in this whole thread. Name calling and personal insults towards players or coaches will get you a day off on the Hawks forum. If you're wondering what it is about your club culture which might be holding your team back, look no further.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Just make sure you keep your promises not to attend games while Hinkley is coach, no matter what.

That's all I ask.

A rare specimen in the wild here team, the poster who has been arrogantly wrong year in year out for a decade wants people to be held accountable for the things they write on an internet forum.

 

[naysayer]

Beveridge has won a flag and made a second Grand Final in less time than Hinkley has. It doesn't matter how "good" a team is, it matters if the team wins flags. If you polled

A mediocre coach over the long term is no different from a bad coach. Neither give you the chance to win a flag, the mediocre coach just makes you wait longer.

Choco rightfully got a lot of stick for losing qualifying finals despite having the best team in the league 2 years in a row He then won a flag in his 6th season. He's 10 times the coach Hinkley is.



It's been an 8 year low point. Our coach has the worst record of any 10 year coach in history and comfortably so.

This is a dumb campaigner argument. Blame the players when the mental bedshitting happens the first time, in the back half of 2014. When it's been happening for 9 years, look for the common denominator.

He's a poor coach with a bad record. His only good quality as a coach is his ability to "connect" with players, which hasn't made them mentally consistent, instead we've been the most mentally fragile club in the league. His record is indefensible. He holds several all time V/AFL records for mediocrity that will never be broken. Every single other club would have sacked him half a decade ago.

The back half of 2014? Port started on fire and then dropped off but finished on fire again, one kick short of a grand final. Is it mentally weak not to dominate the whole year? Your narrative doesn't make sense. Why don't you hold the players accountable for 2021? I think you ignore it because you prefer the stupid-fat-donuts-scapegoat-for-everything. Fact is, some of your champion players were weak as p**s, and it is an absolute blight on their record.

Sydney have been blown away in two grand finals under Longmire. Hawks choked in 2012. Tigers were an absolute joke before 2017. Cats were in exactly the same position as your team is in now this time last year (please don't tell me Chris Scott's flag in his first year holds any water). Your position is not unprecedented or uniquely mediocre in any way. You've been one of the best teams of the last decade, you're second on the ladder, and looking like going deep into September for the next few years. You can either rage about it on some pathetic corner of the internet, or enjoy it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

The back half of 2014? Port started on fire and then dropped off but finished on fire again, one kick short of a grand final. Is it mentally weak not to dominate the whole year? Your narrative doesn't make sense. Why don't you hold the players accountable for 2021? I think you ignore it because you prefer the stupid-fat-donuts-scapegoat-for-everything. Fact is, some of your champion players were weak as p**s, and it is an absolute blight on their record.

Sydney have been blown away in two grand finals under Longmire. Hawks choked in 2012. Tigers were an absolute joke before 2017. Cats were in exactly the same position as your team is in now this time last year (please don't tell me Chris Scott's flag in his first year holds any water). Your position is not unprecedented or uniquely mediocre in any way. You've been one of the best teams of the last decade, you're second on the ladder, and looking like going deep into September for the next few years. You can either rage about it on some pathetic corner of the internet, or enjoy it.

We were 10-1 in the first 11 rounds of 2014 and didn't make the top 4 because of some very questionable selections and teams starting to figure out that they could just play 2 players loose in defence to grind out our gameplan. It's very obviously mentally weak to go 10-1 and then finish the season 4-7 and miss the 4.

We have turned the list over more than once in Hinkley's era. Is he just the unluckiest coach of all time, with us repeatedly drafting players who aren't up to it? Or is he the problem.

11 different clubs have made Grand Finals in the Hinkley era. His high water mark is worse than 2/3s of the comp. His position is literally unprecedented. No coach has ever completed 10 seasons without a flag, Hinkley doesn't have a grand final to his name.

Do you think Hawthorn would have won any flags if they kept Peter Schwab on? He'd made a preliminary final and only had a losing record in 1 season. That's a good record and he's a good coach, right? He would have swanned into winning 4 flags like Clarko, right?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Firstly, I will presume to come here and give my opinion. I'm not trolling or criticising your team, I'm engaging in a discussion about Hinkley, supposedly the object of this thread. If you can't handle a view contrary to your little echo chamber then don't read them.

You call Hinkley a coward. I think that's weak of you, I have to say. You build yourself up as a military man, and then say that? The cowardly thing would actually be if Hinkley had walked away when the pressure came. I think cowardice is hiding behind a computer screen and launching personal attacks on the man who is coach of your sporting club because he's not living up to your expectations. I think it's cowardly to call yourself a supporter of a club, and then to make it harder for that club to succeed, which is what you're doing. There is not one constructive post in this whole thread. Name calling and personal insults towards players or coaches will get you a day off on the Hawks forum. If you're wondering what it is about your club culture which might be holding your team back, look no further.

Yeah it's real brave of Hinkley to continue to collect $1mil a season with zero internal pressure on his job for a decade. Lucky he keeps agreeing to do it or we wouldn't be able to find anyone to volunteer.

The best way to make the club successful is to get Hinkley out. He's moved out of the coaches box and we're playing good footy. Imagine if we got him all the way out of the stadium.

 

[naysayer]

We were 10-1 in the first 11 rounds of 2014 and didn't make the top 4 because of some very questionable selections and teams starting to figure out that they could just play 2 players loose in defence to grind out our gameplan. It's very obviously mentally weak to go 10-1 and then finish the season 4-7 and miss the 4.

It's obviously typical of a very young side, but you're ignoring the part where they made the Preliminary final full of running, so everything you're saying is irrelevant. Drawing a link between a form slump in 2014 and one game that happened 7 years later was always going to be a stretch mate.

We have turned the list over more than once in Hinkley's era. Is he just the unluckiest coach of all time, with us repeatedly drafting players who aren't up to it? Or is he the problem.

2 quick points: he's doesn't draft the players, nevertheless you've had some of the better draft hauls and fastest development of any club. Butters, Rozee, Bergman, Marshall, Lord etc.

11 different clubs have made Grand Finals in the Hinkley era. His high water mark is worse than 2/3s of the comp. His position is literally unprecedented. No coach has ever completed 10 seasons without a flag, Hinkley doesn't have a grand final to his name.

My heart bleeds for you every time. Your team has won 8 in a row, soon to be 9 once you take care of the gallant Hawks at home. Your team is making progress and winning more games, that's the coach's job.

Do you think Hawthorn would have won any flags if they kept Peter Schwab on? He'd made a preliminary final and only had a losing record in 1 season. That's a good record and he's a good coach, right? He would have swanned into winning 4 flags like Clarko, right?

When you're an ageing side who have lost ten on the trot by an average margin of about 60 points... it really is a different conversation. Are you suggesting Port's record is somehow similar, or has been under Ken?

 

[EskimoPAFC]

It's not the coach's fault though, he's at the top of his game...

"Kane Cornes, you were wrong!"

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Also why are people still feeding the troll?

 

[PowerLil]

Hinkley and Beveridge are a perfect comparison. Took over struggling teams, lead them to a miraculous turnaround within two years and have had good careers and success without pinching the flag ever since. Do you really think Bulldogs 2016 were better than Port 2014? I would say the opposite, if anything. Their groups both stagnated and traded out stars in order to regenerate and are now contending again. Their career trajectories really are quite similar, actually. If you disagree, fine, but don't just tell me that having a flag next to your name is the difference between a good coach and a bad one. No more true for coaches than it is for players

And Mark Williams? How short your memory is! The vitriol he faced from the media and from Port "fans" all the way up to winning the flag was legendary. Your fanbase has form. Have you ever considered that if you supported your club a little more, that they would actually perform better? You guys are the market for the endless negative content in the media that makes it harder for your staff and players to perform.

You know you've written a quality post when dutchy and thunderdod are the only ones that have liked it. Congratulations.

 

[naysayer]

Also why are people still feeding the troll?

This whole thread is troll-worthy.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

This whole thread is troll-worthy.

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