Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[The Nostradamus]

Wait a minute, plenty of people in this thread saying all sorts of "Hawthorn will have to pay" etc etc etc. But if Hawthorn pay it is because they are guilty of something. Doesn't that then implicate Clarko? Or am I missing something? Can't have it both ways.

hawks will pay for the farce of a review process they conducted and ruining the afl and clarkos reputation

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

Wait a minute, plenty of people in this thread saying all sorts of "Hawthorn will have to pay" etc etc etc. But if Hawthorn pay it is because they are guilty of something. Doesn't that then implicate Clarko? Or am I missing something? Can't have it both ways.

No you are reading this wrong - the players and families felt poorly of their time at Hawthorn - the club as a whole is responsible for the workplace not the individuals. As such the ultimate responsibility rests with them. Further the handling of the report by Hawthorn again puts them in the gun.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I really want to go see whats happening on the main board.

But I also don't really want eye cancer.

 

[Devington]

I really want to go see whats happening on the main board.

But I also don't really want eye cancer.

It's interesting tbh. Gloating from all sides for the most part, followed by cynicism towards the AFL and anger at the situation as a whole.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Dude you can be sure that $ has changed hands somewhere in the chain, it comes in many guises, lawyers bills, mortgages repaid, trust funds set up etc etc

I'm sure the AFL would have been happy to spend a lot of money to make the problem go away, if that was going to fix it.

Zwier was working pro bono.

I'm reluctant to make any conclusions about the motives of the complainants. There's been a lot of conjecture about them. Reckon we should let them be.

 

[czero]

Wait a minute, plenty of people in this thread saying all sorts of "Hawthorn will have to pay" etc etc etc. But if Hawthorn pay it is because they are guilty of something. Doesn't that then implicate Clarko? Or am I missing something? Can't have it both ways.

The process that led to a report where they had their storytelling of hurt turned into a leaked and highly publicised AFL investigation.

I mean I don't know enough about the cultural storytelling process they undertook but I'd imagine that this is aimed at healing the soul, not making public claims at court.

 

[year of the roo]

No you are reading this wrong - the players and families felt poorly of their time at Hawthorn - the club as a whole is responsible for the workplace not the individuals. As such the ultimate responsibility rests with them. Further the handling of the report by Hawthorn again puts them in the gun.

Look I hope you are right, but for me Hawthorn and Clarkson aren't mutually exclusive for the period of time being discussed.

 

[Zebrah]

Look I hope you are right, but for me Hawthorn and Clarkson aren't mutually exclusive for the period of time being discussed.

Gil talked about Hawthorn’s poor governance in conducting the investigation and implied that they leaked the report.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Having heard the stories and having knowledge of who the families were I was always 99.9% sure that the 3 were innocent. The 0.1% was they were guilty of nothing more than some cultural insensitivity.

Absolutely. And the most generous account of the allegations is that the accusers misunderstood the coaches' messages. A more critical interpretation is that they were young, dumb, and full of... you-know-what... and they were not entirely honest with their partners. Allegedly, of course.

 

[Roostorm]

I really want to go see whats happening on the main board.

But I also don't really want eye cancer.

Don’t do it. We love you here. That place is all kinds of wrong….and then some.

 

[The acurate one]

I really want to go see whats happening on the main board.

But I also don't really want eye cancer.

Oh I’m heading over. A historical day very similar to that of the Guildford Four.

Just called the Glenferrie three . Similar but different

 

[danj]

He will be back you can lock in either the Dogs game before the bye or more likely the Adelaide game after the bye.

I hope so, you get to an age in life when you seriously ask yourself if the thing you’re doing is really worth it

 

[year of the roo]

Gil talked about Hawthorn’s poor governance in conducting the investigation and implied that they leaked the report.

Why would they leak it? Or do you mean 'didn't do enough to prevent a leak'?

 

[TheTrufHirts]

People seem to forget the one most important point about this whole fiasco.

THEY WERE ACCUSED OF RACISM.

From the 30000 documents gathered in the AFL investigation and especially the statements from the indigenous families and players they found no sign of RACISM. They did not need the accused statements to verify there was no RACISM.

They accused at worst may have made some insensitive suggestions around separation and abortions but this does not constitute RACISM.

I think people have been conditioned to think that anything bad that happens to an Indigenous person falls under the term RACISM.

IT DOESN'T.





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[Kangaroos4eva]

I really want to go see whats happening on the main board.

But I also don't really want eye cancer.

It's interesting tbh. Gloating from all sides for the most part, followed by cynicism towards the AFL and anger at the situation as a whole.

Pretty dead considering the news. A few people saying that the accused are victims.

 

[Ashley B]

So does that mean Big Al can return soon let’s hope so . Is this footage of the ABC writer who wrote the initial article leaving the scene

 

[Zebrah]

Why would they leak it? Or do you mean 'didn't do enough to prevent a leak'?

He didn’t say overtly, but he said something along the lines of “zero in on the leak” with some accompanying aggression towards Hawthorn.

 

[DunderHead]

The threat of the AFL sanctioning HFC and the threat of the complainants taking their grievances to the Human Rights is the leverage required to ensure a pay out is made.

I assume it was very important that the AFL didn’t make the payout so that it did not appear that they had simply paid to exonerate the three accused.

The Fagan statement makes it clear that the threat of ongoing legal /human rights concerns should not be taken as a reflection of the accused’s guilt.

This has all been orchestrated quite well. Dummies like Robbo need to be careful how they read the tea leaves.

 

[Lomas]

Look I hope you are right, but for me Hawthorn and Clarkson aren't mutually exclusive for the period of time being discussed.

They can be, if the processes and governance the club put in place/didn’t put in place/should have put in place, failed.
This by no means exonerates Clarko, but when it comes down to three senior people from a football department dealing with a welfare issue, then things have gone wrong.

 

[danj]

No, they couldn't.

This would of just enflamed everything.

Have you thought about what would happen if the AFL had come in and went over the heads of the claimants, and just said 'nothing to see here, move along'.

That would be literal carnage. They needed the claimants to sign off on an independent panels finding.

The fact that the claimants decided to hand over the documents to all parties in the end says that there was genuine progress made with goodwill between the parties.

I guess you’ve validated my point when you cite the documents, the AFL certainly could have facilitated this to happen much sooner(amongst other things) but I don’t want to split hairs with good North people, I just want what’s best for Clarkson and our club

 

[Shack18]

hawks will pay for the farce of a review process they conducted and ruining the afl and clarkos reputation

I don’t even think HFC have apologised for this debacle! Pack of carrots

 

[danj]

I'm sure the AFL would have been happy to spend a lot of money to make the problem go away, if that was going to fix it.

Zwier was working pro bono.

I'm reluctant to make any conclusions about the motives of the complainants. There's been a lot of conjecture about them. Reckon we should let them be.

I wasn’t making any reference to the complainants motives and I’m sorry you took it that way, it has been a shit show right from the start I’m saying the AFL are not telling us the truth and have spent $ to try and wrap it up, this is corporate fix 101

 

[Val Keating]

So does that mean Big Al can return soon let’s hope so . Is this footage of the ABC writer who wrote the initial article leaving the scene

Don’t know about coaching, but he will be finally able to speak on the matter.

 

[danj]

How do I get to the Hawks board? Never been there but it’s time to unload

 

[czero]

I guess you’ve validated my point when you cite the documents, the AFL certainly could have facilitated this to happen much sooner(amongst other things) but I don’t want to split hairs with good North people, I just want what’s best for Clarkson and our club

No probs