Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[zoomba23]

If Jeff's not happy, you can safely assume that whatever has pissed him off is the right thing to do

 

[travelli]

They are mutually exclusive now - Clarko has been exonerated and given Fagans statement I highly doubt they’ll be challenged legally. The documents Fagan talks about reveal no issues of racism. It now comes back to a safe workplace and the commissioning and handling of the report……..and that is all on Hawthorn the club.

This is a completely empty outcome. No matter how you wish it, Clarko's reputation has been trashed .

 

[Sillygit]

If Jeff's not happy, you can safely assume that whatever has pissed him off is the right thing to do

Nothing surer in the history of human existance.

 

[travelli]

This is a completely empty outcome. No matter how you wish it, Clarko's reputation has been trashed .

Names have been named. Actions have been described in great detail through the media.

They either happened or they didn't. This needs to be explained.

 

[Val Keating]

Given that the report was commissioned to direct attention away from him, that would be poetic.

He really put his foot in it when he publicly accused the AFL of leaking the report. For a politician that was such a dumb move.

 

[Mr_Nyah]

The hubris of “footy journalists” thinking they are qualified to report on legal issues leaves me gobsmacked. Get back in your box. You’re just guessing and you know it.


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The guy can’t even execute basic grammar, legal jargon will be well above his head.

 

[The Dingrel]

Hawthorn racism scandal: Jeff Kennett hits back at Gill McLachlan

www.heraldsun.com.au

Former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has declared there is no basis for the Hawks to be punished by the AFL for undertaking its cultural review.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan dropped a potential bomb on the Hawks on Tuesday night when he declared they could be in the gun over their corporate governance “with respect to the commissioning and oversight of the Binmada Report”.

McLachlan said the Hawks’ failure to give Clarkson, Fagan and Burt a right of reply would form the basis of a potential charge.

“The process whereby allegations were aired without anybody having the ability to respond to them has provided an environment where there has been many parties – complainants and the defendants – put in a hugely vulnerable situation, and it’s had an impact across the industry for all First Nations people and others,” McLachlan said.

“I think that’s something that needs to be contemplated.”

But Kennett hit back.

“I am profoundly disappointed at the comments by the AFL CEO tonight that they are contemplating taking action against the Hawthorn Football Club,” he said.

“What Hawthorn did in trying to establish whether racial discrimination was widespread in the club was absolutely the correct thing to do.”

Kennett said the club was not responsible for the devastating leak of the report to the ABC in Grand Final week last year.


“That was the trigger that caused the firestorm and the attack on the reputations of the three who stood accused,” he said.

McLachlan said the decision whether to charge Hawthorn would be made by the AFL’s “general counsel (Stephen Meade) and or the Commission”.

Under rule 1.6 the Hawks could be charged with engaging in conduct that is “unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the Australian Football League or to bring the game of football into disrepute”.


In 2013 the AFL kicked Essendon out of finals, fined the club $2 million and stripped the club of early draft picks in the next two drafts under that rule.

The loss of draft picks would be disastrous for Hawthorn’s rebuild under coach Sam Mitchell, with the club’s first pick currently No.3.

The Binmada review was commissioned by the Hawks board in April last year after favourite son Cyril Rioli and wife Shannyn made claims of racial incidents at the club.

“Gillon McLachlan can’t have his cake and eat it,” Kennett said.

“He can’t on the one hand say it was wrong to find out whether the allegations of the Riolis were widespread or not – and then on finding that there was no substance against any of the three Hawthorn officials – he can’t then say that the club has done anything but the right thing in the interests of a safe workplace.

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“We did what any employer would do when something is brought to their attention. We tried to find out whether it was widespread or just isolated. We got the stories, a number of startling, disappointing responses – they have now been investigated and (it was) found that those stories had no substance.”
Kennett said he “trusted” that the current Hawthorn board would have “the courage to actually defend the actions it has taken” and will “argue the case very strongly”.

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"The Binmada review was commissioned by the Hawks board in April last year after favourite son Cyril Rioli and wife Shannyn made claims of racial incidents at the club."

And didn't that all boot off from Kennett's own remarks to Mrs Rioli regarding her attire? Almost beyond belief that Kennett hasn't been embroiled in this whole fiasco by the media in the first instance.

 

[Val Keating]

"The Binmada review was commissioned by the Hawks board in April last year after favourite son Cyril Rioli and wife Shannyn made claims of racial incidents at the club."

And didn't that all boot off from Kennett's own remarks to Mrs Rioli regarding her attire? Almost beyond belief that Kennett hasn't been embroiled in this whole fiasco by the media in the first instance.

It’s bizarre how that is ignored by the media. Has he ever explained why they made the investigation for the period that he wasn’t president?

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Absolutely.

There have been suggestions that this buffoon holds a law degree. If so, it's the epitome of a paid-for degree, because he doesn't even know how to apply the basic legal term "alleged".

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the bloke had a double degree in law and medicine, yet he would be unemployable in both fields. And this is probably the most wildly inappropriate thread to be commenting on anyone's "otherness" but he gives out massive vibes of neurodiversity such that he may well have the ability to memorise substantial amounts of text, yet completely lacks the capacity to interpret or analyse. Certainly, his journalism comes across that way.

 

[Passmore]

On a scale of 1- 10, with 10 being the most extreme, how bad would Gowers want Kennett to shut the **** up right about now?

Gowers has had the demeanour of a man who knows his club is going to cop a whack. Kennett‘s outburst is just going to pour fuel on it.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Perhaps this will become our priority pick .God Bless the poo and wees

If the AFL feels that other clubs would be resistant to us receiving a first-round priority pick due to their own pick being compromised, then they could argue that the clubs have less reason for complaint as their pick is no worse off due to Hawthorn's pick being vacated. So everybody's happy. Except Hawthorn. And that's the point.

 

[the big lebowski]

Names have been named. Actions have been described in great detail through the media.

They either happened or they didn't. This needs to be explained.

The issue I imagine is the way the accusers “allegedly” mis represented the facts and context of the matters.

Clearly clarko, fagan and Burt won’t argue they didn’t attend Shane savages girlfriends house to help him move out. The key part is why did they do that? Burt stated that savage told him he wanted to end the relationship. If that’s true it contradicts the entire premise of the complaint.

Given the future mrs savage met with the ceo of hawthorn and was receiving afl subsidised aflpa counciling sessions obviously it was out in the open and many people knew about it.

So it’s not did the coaches go to the house, it’s why did they go to the house.

 

[Devington]

Hawthorn racism scandal: Jeff Kennett hits back at Gill McLachlan

www.heraldsun.com.au

Former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has declared there is no basis for the Hawks to be punished by the AFL for undertaking its cultural review.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan dropped a potential bomb on the Hawks on Tuesday night when he declared they could be in the gun over their corporate governance “with respect to the commissioning and oversight of the Binmada Report”.

McLachlan said the Hawks’ failure to give Clarkson, Fagan and Burt a right of reply would form the basis of a potential charge.

“The process whereby allegations were aired without anybody having the ability to respond to them has provided an environment where there has been many parties – complainants and the defendants – put in a hugely vulnerable situation, and it’s had an impact across the industry for all First Nations people and others,” McLachlan said.

“I think that’s something that needs to be contemplated.”

But Kennett hit back.

“I am profoundly disappointed at the comments by the AFL CEO tonight that they are contemplating taking action against the Hawthorn Football Club,” he said.

“What Hawthorn did in trying to establish whether racial discrimination was widespread in the club was absolutely the correct thing to do.”

Kennett said the club was not responsible for the devastating leak of the report to the ABC in Grand Final week last year.


“That was the trigger that caused the firestorm and the attack on the reputations of the three who stood accused,” he said.

McLachlan said the decision whether to charge Hawthorn would be made by the AFL’s “general counsel (Stephen Meade) and or the Commission”.

Under rule 1.6 the Hawks could be charged with engaging in conduct that is “unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the Australian Football League or to bring the game of football into disrepute”.


In 2013 the AFL kicked Essendon out of finals, fined the club $2 million and stripped the club of early draft picks in the next two drafts under that rule.

The loss of draft picks would be disastrous for Hawthorn’s rebuild under coach Sam Mitchell, with the club’s first pick currently No.3.

The Binmada review was commissioned by the Hawks board in April last year after favourite son Cyril Rioli and wife Shannyn made claims of racial incidents at the club.

“Gillon McLachlan can’t have his cake and eat it,” Kennett said.

“He can’t on the one hand say it was wrong to find out whether the allegations of the Riolis were widespread or not – and then on finding that there was no substance against any of the three Hawthorn officials – he can’t then say that the club has done anything but the right thing in the interests of a safe workplace.

​

“We did what any employer would do when something is brought to their attention. We tried to find out whether it was widespread or just isolated. We got the stories, a number of startling, disappointing responses – they have now been investigated and (it was) found that those stories had no substance.”
Kennett said he “trusted” that the current Hawthorn board would have “the courage to actually defend the actions it has taken” and will “argue the case very strongly”.

​

Hey, Jeffy, you mentioned the Rioli's claims... Remind me what they were?

 

[blackshadow]

Hawthorn racism scandal: Jeff Kennett hits back at Gill McLachlan

www.heraldsun.com.au

Former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has declared there is no basis for the Hawks to be punished by the AFL for undertaking its cultural review.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan dropped a potential bomb on the Hawks on Tuesday night when he declared they could be in the gun over their corporate governance “with respect to the commissioning and oversight of the Binmada Report”.

McLachlan said the Hawks’ failure to give Clarkson, Fagan and Burt a right of reply would form the basis of a potential charge.

“The process whereby allegations were aired without anybody having the ability to respond to them has provided an environment where there has been many parties – complainants and the defendants – put in a hugely vulnerable situation, and it’s had an impact across the industry for all First Nations people and others,” McLachlan said.

“I think that’s something that needs to be contemplated.”

But Kennett hit back.

“I am profoundly disappointed at the comments by the AFL CEO tonight that they are contemplating taking action against the Hawthorn Football Club,” he said.

“What Hawthorn did in trying to establish whether racial discrimination was widespread in the club was absolutely the correct thing to do.”

Kennett said the club was not responsible for the devastating leak of the report to the ABC in Grand Final week last year.


“That was the trigger that caused the firestorm and the attack on the reputations of the three who stood accused,” he said.

McLachlan said the decision whether to charge Hawthorn would be made by the AFL’s “general counsel (Stephen Meade) and or the Commission”.

Under rule 1.6 the Hawks could be charged with engaging in conduct that is “unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the Australian Football League or to bring the game of football into disrepute”.


In 2013 the AFL kicked Essendon out of finals, fined the club $2 million and stripped the club of early draft picks in the next two drafts under that rule.

The loss of draft picks would be disastrous for Hawthorn’s rebuild under coach Sam Mitchell, with the club’s first pick currently No.3.

The Binmada review was commissioned by the Hawks board in April last year after favourite son Cyril Rioli and wife Shannyn made claims of racial incidents at the club.

“Gillon McLachlan can’t have his cake and eat it,” Kennett said.

“He can’t on the one hand say it was wrong to find out whether the allegations of the Riolis were widespread or not – and then on finding that there was no substance against any of the three Hawthorn officials – he can’t then say that the club has done anything but the right thing in the interests of a safe workplace.

​

“We did what any employer would do when something is brought to their attention. We tried to find out whether it was widespread or just isolated. We got the stories, a number of startling, disappointing responses – they have now been investigated and (it was) found that those stories had no substance.”
Kennett said he “trusted” that the current Hawthorn board would have “the courage to actually defend the actions it has taken” and will “argue the case very strongly”.

​

We better buy Stephen Meade a few nice bottles of red…

 

[franjon]

THIS!!!

It's exactly how the AFL wanted it. "No flies on us"

 

[blackshadow]

If the AFL feels that other clubs would be resistant to us receiving a first-round priority pick due to their own pick being compromised, then they could argue that the clubs have less reason for complaint as their pick is no worse off due to Hawthorn's pick being vacated. So everybody's happy. Except Hawthorn. And that's the point.

 

[franjon]

We better buy Stephen Meade a few nice bottles of red…

I drink Pizzini. He's not getting any of mine.

 

[Karanicolas]

Subject to any claim being made against Clarkson, hopefully his legal team is counselling him against taking any legal action for defamation, etc.

 

[Devington]

My feeling is that if Clarko feels the need to clear his name, and his lawyers are strongly confident of the evidence and receiving a win, then he should feel free to do it. But if he does it has to be with the understanding he isn't guaranteed the verdict he wants, and that an adverse finding would put him in a worse position than he is now.

I liked Fagan's stance of "****ing try me."

 

[Jasemon]

He burnt brightly

 

[berniemccarthy]

AFL shuts down Hawthorn racism review as First Nations players seek to 'resolve all differences'.

Russell reappears.

 

[Karanicolas]

My feeling is that if Clarko feels the need to clear his name, and his lawyers are strongly confident of the evidence and receiving a win, then he should feel free to do it. But if he does it has to be with the understanding he isn't guaranteed the verdict he wants, and that an adverse finding would put him in a worse position than he is now.

I liked Fagan's stance of "******* try me."

The advice to Clarkson should be that you are in the business of coaching, not litigating. You don't want to be stuck in lawyers offices reviewing legal documents, preparing affidavit, etc. whilst everyone is at Arden Street. And no matter how good your case in defamation, any senior counsel is going to leave as least some marks on your reputation.

 

[Shinboner1]

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

AFL shuts down Hawthorn racism review as First Nations players seek to 'resolve all differences'.

Russell reappears.

Can’t help but notice that he’s not flying solo anymore

 

[Ashley B]

If the AFL feels that other clubs would be resistant to us receiving a first-round priority pick due to their own pick being compromised, then they could argue that the clubs have less reason for complaint as their pick is no worse off due to Hawthorn's pick being vacated. So everybody's happy. Except Hawthorn. And that's the point.