Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[JackieMoon33]

Gepp will be leave / be sacked within a week of Nisbett.

Whilst I'm not certain Gavin Bell is the best person in the league at his role I personally don't feel he's performed it poorly particularly with how tied his hands are. He could however take a fall after this year. (this is my personal opinion and I must point I do have bias here and a soft spot for him) It is the most senior position within the football department outside of Simpson so if Simpson stays to me it's a fait accompli.

It's my opinion Knights has to go.

Schofield is on shaky ground but with a more competent midfield coach i'd be willing to give him another year.

Pratt really is impossible to judge without being at the club day to day as no-one could put together a good defensive unit with the utter s**t show that is our midfield, lack of pressure on the ball coming into defence and constant injuries. Things do seem a bit stale but I would give him one more year as when we have had the right personnel we have seen progression and positives from defence.

Webster is hard to judge with so few and such shallow inside 50's combined with injuries. I know he is held in high regard at the club.

Wiley is on a hiding to nothing. Either first or second year players combined with amateurs and a * load of injuries. He's good with the players and trying to cobble a team together. His lack of success over time could count against him but again I have personal bias here so am probably overly positive but would give another year.

Nicoski provides a real positive vibe around the club and is well liked by the players. Horsley hasn't really had much time to show anything but I would persist. The rest of the development team imo are trash. Jobs for the boys. How do you have a development co-ordinator and a development manager. It's one job and I am certain both could depart and be replaced by 1 person better suited to the role and more capable.

In a rebuild there are 3 really important components imo.
1. Morale
2. Recruiting
3. Development
4. Daylight
5. Trades

I'm still firmly of the opinion of everyone I know, have met and have experience with that Don Pyke would be the best possible candidate for CEO.

Morale and more importantly buying into the club, the development process and building as a team is imo actually easily the most important part.

I've heard from multiple strong sources that Wiley has been a toxic personality as coach of the Beagles, especially where the top-up amateur players are concerned. Wouldn't be surprised if he is shown the door as well.... Assuming the reserves program lives on in its current form.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

And the head coach isn't a mug either. He's taken the club to two GFs. Sometimes the fit isn't right with the assistants. Who knows? All in all, levelling it all on the senior coach is a rather hard lined and old-fashioned way to look at it and I don't think that it lends itself to nuance or adequately addressing the problems at hand. ETA and I hope those in charge of reviewing and implementing changes are nuanced and pragmatic.

Of course Simmo is not a mug but you get the credit when you perform and the criticism when you don't. thats just coaching. You are right, they may not all work well together. There will be casualties for sure.
The problems are huge from the head coach down. And thats why I said maybe it's time just to start again. Sweep it clean.

 

[Ochre]

Lol. Of course that won’t happen. But in the meantime I just googled “Caroline Wilson wrong” and found these examples on the first page.

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Fair difference between getting a detail incorrect and making up a story I'd say

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Fair difference between getting a detail incorrect and making up a story I'd say

“Making up” was probably too strong. But there’s a long history of Caro and other footy journos just saying/predicting stuff, leaning on stuff they’ve been told by “sources they trust” or whatever they like, without any real regard for whether it’s factual. If it comes off they can trumpet it as a success and proof they’re the best in the industry, if it doesn’t no one’s going to remember what she said on the July 24 episode of FC.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

WCE_phil can you or anyone tell me what the heck Gepp actually does?

He was gone and came back out of nowhere in suss circumstances. I also remember Ken Judge went off his chops on the radio defending Simmo after hearing Gepp returned (must have been after a bad loss)

 

[StevieJ83]

Ive long thought WCE should release a line of merchandise for members that's sole function is for the profits of this merchandise to go solely towards the softcap. It allows members to have their say if we should go hard, and go over the cap. Wont cost the club much as the members are essentially paying for the tax.

Make it some really arrogant merch to.

 

[Bender_]

Ive long thought WCE should release a line of merchandise for members that's sole function is for the profits of this merchandise to go solely towards the softcap. It allows members to have their say if we should go hard, and go over the cap. Wont cost the club much as the members are essentially paying for the tax.

Make it some really arrogant merch to.

 

[DanWCE]

The compounding nature of the tax is what makes it implausible to sustain over time. Was interesting to hear that Nissy was pushing hard for significant soft cap increase and lighter tax for going over it. Not only was he pushing but the new AFL CEO is seriously considering it so the lobbying must be gaining traction

 

[bzparkes]

WCE_phil can you or anyone tell me what the * Gepp actually does?

He was gone and came back out of nowhere in suss circumstances. I also remember Ken Judge went off his chops on the radio defending Simmo after hearing Gepp returned (must have been after a bad loss)

What does Gepp do?

Nissie spy.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Ive long thought WCE should release a line of merchandise for members that's sole function is for the profits of this merchandise to go solely towards the softcap. It allows members to have their say if we should go hard, and go over the cap. Wont cost the club much as the members are essentially paying for the tax.

Make it some really arrogant merch to.

They do that now, it's called the membership cost.

 

[Chris_6678]

WCE_phil can you or anyone tell me what the * Gepp actually does?

He was gone and came back out of nowhere in suss circumstances. I also remember Ken Judge went off his chops on the radio defending Simmo after hearing Gepp returned (must have been after a bad loss)

Swear he appeared after we lost to North at home midway through 2014. It def felt like he was a spy for Nizzy.

 

[Convocation]

Not sure if excited is the right adjective to use, but what an off-season we've got coming with club.

• Draft/Trade Period
• Potential Board/Executive Leadership changes
• Potential Coaching staff changes
• Potential Medical staff change

According to media reports we've listened to, it appears the Eagles board might have been listening to Michael Jackson's "Man in the Mirror"

I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could've been any clearer
If they wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change

Things I'd like to see, but are unlikely to happen

• We have a competitive advantage in that we are the wealthiest club in the AFL. Lets spend some of that stored up wealth to gain a competitive advantage on field by investing in whatever resources (coaching/development/sports psychs, physio's, medical, training equipment etc) our players and coaches need to constantly be elite and ahead of the game in every possible aspect i.e. give our players and coaches the tools to be high performing.
• I'd like Stuart Dew
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  (or Leon Cameron
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  ) to join us as head of development, in the same mold as Mark Williams at the Dees. Give him the resources to build his team, and develop an elite high performance development program. We are going to have a young list going forward and development is critical. Stewart Dew would have the additional bonus of being a strong voice around the club given his wealth of experience
• Get Don Pyke back to the club, either in an administrative role (Replace Trevor Nisbett) or Football Manager role (not sure on Gavin Bell) or Coaching role
• Darren Burgess continues to make athletes in every sport he joins fitter. He can't be the only one globally with the knowledge to develop specific programs that have his players running on top of the ground till the last minute of the game. Warren Kofoed is leaving the club as we know, and I don't think our recently hired S&C coach Mark "Killer" Kilgallon is charged with fitness at the club, but whoever we get to replace Kofoed should be Darren Burgess 2.0.

 

[tigger_ferret]

Was pondering the soft cap tax the club would have to pay in the event Simpson was sacked and realised I’d fallen into same flawed thinking that those in the media have

Courtesy of Jon Ralph, the now accepted figure is $6m to pay him out and absorb the tax for going over the cap. Simplistically he’s gone $1m per year or thereabouts for Simpson plus a 200% tax for going over by that amount two years running. It’s back of an envelope stuff at its finest

I’ve never believed it would be quite that high, more like $4-5m, but it wouldn’t be even that high

The mistake I, and the likes of Ralph, made was assuming we’d go over the cap by the amount of Simpson’s payout which isn’t the case

As it stands, with Simpson’s current salary we are under the cap so paying him out won’t put us over. What will put us over is the salary of his replacement

Unless we stump up for Hardwick, whoever gets the job will almost certainly be in less than Simpson. An untried senior coach would probably be on $500-600k.

So we’d be going over the cap by maybe $600k which with the tax puts the cost of paying out Simpson more like $3.5-4.0m

Personally, I think he should be retained for next year provided other issues are addressed (like S&C) to see if he can better results with a hopefully healthier list. The qualification to this is I’m assuming he still has the trust/faith/respect/whatever you want to call it of the players. Especially and most importantly of the younger ones

As for Nisbett, he only gets to stay if he’s onboard with an understudy being identified from outside the club and brought in as a deputy CEO until Trev’s contract expires.

His/her role will be to spend time overseeing and evaluating every department within the club to ensure that we have the right people and procedures in place to return to finals in 2025/26 and beyond (2025 would be optimistic I admit)

Going off this article (assuming the % are still correct) and it is a progressive tax

Revealed: details of the AFL's new footy tax

Under the new tax, clubs that spend more than $500,000 over the cap on football spending would be slugged by a tax of 200 per cent for every dollar over that amount in the first year.

www.theage.com.au

For $600k over the cap it works out as $800k tax first year and $1.162M the second year. So total is $3.162M

Sorry to be pedantic, I just wanted to do the maths myself.

 

[Keys]

The compounding nature of the tax is what makes it implausible to sustain over time. Was interesting to hear that Nissy was pushing hard for significant soft cap increase and lighter tax for going over it. Not only was he pushing but the new AFL CEO is seriously considering it so the lobbying must be gaining traction

Nisbett pushing hard for an increase in the soft cap isn’t new. He along with other clubs like Hawthorn and Collingwood have been lobbying for it almost since it was first introduced

It should come as no surprise that clubs like North and St Kilda have opposed any increase

For those unaware of the significance of the cut, pre covid the soft cap was something like $9.7m and reduced to just over $6m for 2020 and beyond. It was raised this year to about $6.9m and will go to $7.2m next year which is still only around 75% of what it was

Everywhere else in the industry has had pay restored to pre-covid levels and the players salary cap is set for another significant increase next year should the AFL and AFLPA get round to signing off on a new agreement

A substantial increase is well overdue and Nisbett pushing for it should not be linked to any potential Simpson payout. They’re separate issues

 

[DanWCE]

Nisbett pushing hard for an increase in the soft cap isn’t new. He along with other clubs like Hawthorn and Collingwood have been lobbying for it almost since it was first introduced

It should come as no surprise that clubs like North and St Kilda have opposed any increase

For those unaware of the significance of the cut, pre covid the soft cap was something like $9.7m and reduced to just over $6m for 2020 and beyond. It was raised this year to about $6.9m and will go to $7.2m next year which is still only around 75% of what it was

Everywhere else in the industry has had pay restored to pre-covid levels and the players salary cap is set for another significant increase next year should the AFL and AFLPA get round to signing off on a new agreement

A substantial increase is well overdue and Nisbett pushing for it should not be linked to any potential Simpson payout. They’re separate issues

I knew he'd been pushing but it sounds like until now it wasn't really gaining any momentum. And yes absolutely understand he's not trying to get the changes through to get rid of Simmo. I honestly think they're comfortable with Simmo in the role. Not sure that will be their position in 12 months time but if they wanted him gone he would be gone despite the tax, I reckon.

 

[Rowan18]

Was pondering the soft cap tax the club would have to pay in the event Simpson was sacked and realised I’d fallen into same flawed thinking that those in the media have

Courtesy of Jon Ralph, the now accepted figure is $6m to pay him out and absorb the tax for going over the cap. Simplistically he’s gone $1m per year or thereabouts for Simpson plus a 200% tax for going over by that amount two years running. It’s back of an envelope stuff at its finest

I’ve never believed it would be quite that high, more like $4-5m, but it wouldn’t be even that high

The mistake I, and the likes of Ralph, made was assuming we’d go over the cap by the amount of Simpson’s payout which isn’t the case

As it stands, with Simpson’s current salary we are under the cap so paying him out won’t put us over. What will put us over is the salary of his replacement

Unless we stump up for Hardwick, whoever gets the job will almost certainly be in less than Simpson. An untried senior coach would probably be on $500-600k.

So we’d be going over the cap by maybe $600k which with the tax puts the cost of paying out Simpson more like $3.5-4.0m

Personally, I think he should be retained for next year provided other issues are addressed (like S&C) to see if he can better results with a hopefully healthier list. The qualification to this is I’m assuming he still has the trust/faith/respect/whatever you want to call it of the players. Especially and most importantly of the younger ones

As for Nisbett, he only gets to stay if he’s onboard with an understudy being identified from outside the club and brought in as a deputy CEO until Trev’s contract expires.

His/her role will be to spend time overseeing and evaluating every department within the club to ensure that we have the right people and procedures in place to return to finals in 2025/26 and beyond (2025 would be optimistic I admit)

This assumes we can end his contract and pay him over the two years. It depends on what the terms of his contract say.

I suppose we could keep him to his contract but ban him from the club and just hire a new coach until his contract expires.

 

[bzparkes]

This assumes we can end his contract and pay him over the two years. It depends on what the terms of his contract say.

I suppose we could keep him to his contract but ban him from the club and just hire a new coach until his contract expires.

Now that is arrogance.

Love it.

 

[DanWCE]

This assumes we can end his contract and pay him over the two years. It depends on what the terms of his contract say.

I suppose we could keep him to his contract but ban him from the club and just hire a new coach until his contract expires.

Would he then have to sign a non compete and sit on the sidelines or flip burgers for a couple of years?

 

[Ghossein]

elijah hewett has judd like tendencies

 

[Rowan18]

Would he then have to sign a non compete and sit on the sidelines or flip burgers for a couple of years?

I'd hope that's in his contract (especially the flipping burgers part)

 

[DanWCE]

I'd hope that's in his contract (especially the flipping burgers part)

Logical move from there is that he accepts less payout coin to be able to take a coaching job elsewhere.

The mental gymnastics from the media if he changed clubs would be hilarious. From evil villain to good guy overnight

 

[Rowan18]

Logical move from there is that he accepts less payout coin to be able to take a coaching job elsewhere.

The mental gymnastics from the media if he changed clubs would be hilarious. From evil villain to good guy overnight

I remember North did a similar deal with Scott. The payout would be minus any salary he got working elsewhere. No,one wanting him as a coach, so the AFL gave him a cushy exec job.

 

[matthew_s]

“Making up” was probably too strong. But there’s a long history of Caro and other footy journos just saying/predicting stuff, leaning on stuff they’ve been told by “sources they trust” or whatever they like, without any real regard for whether it’s factual. If it comes off they can trumpet it as a success and proof they’re the best in the industry, if it doesn’t no one’s going to remember what she said on the July 24 episode of FC.

You see ppl champion the Caro got Hird's sacking wrong headline a lot as vindication. They never mention the myriad of Essendon drug headlines she got right. She clearly had good sources within the AFL & Essendon at that period.

Not a Caro backer at all but heralding one incorrect headline doesnt mean shit if the other 49 are correct (which would have been her hit rate during the Essendon team-wide doping scandal.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

I'm glad all this has been brought to the 'fore over east.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

You see ppl champion the Caro got Hird's sacking wrong headline a lot as vindication. They never mention the myriad of Essendon drug headlines she got right. She clearly had good sources within the AFL & Essendon at that period.

Not a Caro backer at all but heralding one incorrect headline doesnt mean s**t if the other 49 are correct (which would have been her hit rate during the Essendon team-wide doping scandal.

Has she got a lot right about WCE over the journey? I’m not sure she focuses on us and cultivates inside sources quite as closely as she would with Essendon and Richmond. Saying NicNat and Yeo have been in poor form is a good indication.

It feels very much like an ongoing topic in media circles is sacking either Simpson or Nisbett at West Coast, the topic’s come up on her show and she’s decided to throw out there that they’ll both be gone. Good for headlines, maybe she’ll be proved right, I doubt it, but it happens is she looks like a genius and if she doesn’t she can just say things changed or she had bad intel or it just didn’t pan out.

I guess I just question the fact she’s got inside intel that Nisbett and Simpson are both in the gun because (a) I think it’s unlikely and (b) I don’t trust her.