Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 24 vs. Essendon, MCG, Fri 25/08, 7:50pm

[Piewithsauce13]

Winning the first final is the question

yeah I think either way if we lose first final we go to the Gabba?

 

[NMBB]

I got a bad feeling for the next decade.

Welcome to Collingwood

 

[Kirby]

You like his game v JUH? Dixon on one leg? What about v Tex? You’re having a lend if you genuinely think his form pre and post bye stacks up.

If you run it back to my first post yesterday I’m arguing that in a fast transition game a KPD that guards copious amounts of space would have made no difference to our chances. If he were playing a different role where he was more anchored to the deepest KPF he’d have been a factor. Hill’s ability to cover ground in transition would have been more valuable.

Where I might have a re-think on my initial post was on Naicos, but only if he’s used off HB. I love what he offers our ground level game in the middle I just think his run and use is to valuable in a big match especially with our HB runners out of form.

Now you throwing in match ups in he didn’t have? He wasn’t on JUH he was on Norton.

He beat Dixon on his one leg. I’ll give you Tex for one quarter.

What about what Moore does with the ball that leads to scores? That helps structures?

In the end our best play this year is fast transition football and he is the best CHB in the game with that style.

 

[Scodog10]

Now you throwing in match ups in he didn’t have? He wasn’t on JUH he was on Norton.

He beat Dixon on his one leg. I’ll give you Tex for one quarter.

What about what Moore does with the ball that leads to scores? That helps structures?

In the end our best play this year is fast transition football and he is the best CHB in the game with that style.

Were you at the Dogs game? He had JUH, but let’s play it out on Naughton. He kicked 4 and if he wasn’t as good as JUH there wasn’t much in it…

If you’re the AA CHB/ FB you should be dominating a one legged Dixon he was beaten. You didn’t find it curious that the quarter that Tex got him was in a similar style to how Brisbane got us both times? Whereas the others we controlled the contest and didn’t allow quick transition.

How much of the bolded have we actually seen this year outside of last quarters to save us? IMO, Weitering is the best KPD in that style of game.

 

[windchimes]

Were you at the Dogs game? He had JUH, but let’s play it out on Naughton. He kicked 4 and if he wasn’t as good as JUH there wasn’t much in it…

If you’re the AA CHB/ FB you should be dominating a one legged Dixon he was beaten. You didn’t find it curious that the quarter that Tex got him was in a similar style to how Brisbane got us both times? Whereas the others we controlled the contest and didn’t allow quick transition.

How much of the bolded have we actually seen this year outside of last quarters to save us? IMO, Weitering is the best KPD in that style of game.

That is blasphemous.

 

[Scodog10]

That is blasphemous.

I know I know, but he’s easily the most dominant defender in any game scenario league wide. IMO, him getting his head on straight after getting scammed is the reason they’ve turned it around.

 

[Harry O]

Got a Bad Feeling for Next Friday Night

Win win outcome

Win we finish top
Lose we get to host Port

 

[swoop42]

We've been on the top the ladder since the end of round 15.

Fair to say if we all want the finals to damn well just begin so do the players.

Until we're proven wrong we just have to believe we will produce our very best again come September.

P.S- In 2012 Sydney were on top of the ladder from rounds 15-21 before late season losses had them slipping to 3rd.

They won the flag.

 

[Big Bryza]

They smashed us scoring 82 points from turnover - I don’t see them doing that again.
We also scored 100 points against them and found a way to curb Andrews.
Add Moore, ND and JDG and cohesion and predictability between the group returns, so I’m far more optimistic.

Teams have transitioned the ball for fun against us over the past 6 weeks.

We've either been figured out or have given no fcuks seeing as we were a mile clear on top.

Either way, we won't get our answer until the QF.

 

[Big Bryza]

I thought Cameron did well in the first half around the ground when playing as sole ruck. Then after Cox got subbed in, he was non-existent in the second half. Still have my doubts Cox will last a full game on his own.

As for Essendon, we should win easily because they have been more hopeless than almost anyone the last month and tonight are pathetic. But they will probably come out firing and it will be a real close scrappy affair.

DC's centre bounce work was some of the most deplorable ruck craft you will ever see. Combined with the fact he can't take a mark to save himself, it's time for Coxy to take the number 1 mantle.

 

[windchimes]

I know I know, but he’s easily the most dominant defender in any game scenario league wide. IMO, him getting his head on straight after getting scammed is the reason they’ve turned it around.

So Weitering's form over 6 to 7 weeks has him in such high esteem with you, whereas Darcy's remarkable season to date is so tarnished by 3 slightly down games (WB,Blues,Hawks) out of his 21 played that you gloss over his importance on our chances? Not following you here Scoey.

 

[Kirby]

Were you at the Dogs game? He had JUH, but let’s play it out on Naughton. He kicked 4 and if he wasn’t as good as JUH there wasn’t much in it…

If you’re the AA CHB/ FB you should be dominating a one legged Dixon he was beaten. You didn’t find it curious that the quarter that Tex got him was in a similar style to how Brisbane got us both times? Whereas the others we controlled the contest and didn’t allow quick transition.

How much of the bolded have we actually seen this year outside of last quarters to save us? IMO, Weitering is the best KPD in that style of game.

I was there. He mostly had Naughton and I say mostly because they swap and change because Moore always takes the central forward.

If you go to our games you will see that he positions about half way between the goal square and the centre square. It’s an attacking position. The dogs that night in the first quarter out thought our plan by playing Naughton wide in the pocket so he could come in from the side without body contact. That got him 2 goals.

Dixon beat Moore? Seriously?

You’re ignoring all the good games he played after the bye.

Do Carlton even play fast transition football? They play a more contested game to my eye. They have sped up their play in their run but I don’t they play with anything like the pace that say either us or Port play with in moving the football.

Anyway, I can’t be really bothered trying to needlessly defend Moore and justify his position as one of the best KPDs in the game. I’m not sure why we are bothering with him if he can’t make a difference.

 

[Scodog10]

I was there. He mostly had Naughton and I say mostly because they swap and change because Moore always takes the central forward.

If you go to our games you will see that he positions about half way between the goal square and the centre square. It’s an attacking position. The dogs that night in the first quarter out thought our plan by playing Naughton wide in the pocket so he could come in from the side without body contact. That got him 2 goals.

Dixon beat Moore? Seriously?

You’re ignoring all the good games he played after the bye.

Do Carlton even play fast transition football? They play a more contested game to my eye. They have sped up their play in their run but I don’t they play with anything like the pace that say either us or Port play with in moving the football.

Anyway, I can’t be really bothered trying to needlessly defend Moore and justify his position as one of the best KPDs in the game. I’m not sure why we are bothering with him if he can’t make a difference.

I was at the Dogs game and every other match in Victoria this year QB aside. I know how he defends and have seen why he’s tapered. We aren’t defending well in transition.

The thing is the bolded is why you’re wrong and need to step away. I’m not suggesting he’s not one of the best in the business all I’m suggesting is that the way the ball was coming in (very much like how the Dogs moved it) he’s not a player that would have shifted the dial based on where we fell down defensively.

The last sentence is as petty as your drive byes of PS and shows how little you’ve understood of my posts.

 

[Scodog10]

So Weitering's form over 6 to 7 weeks has him in such high esteem with you, whereas Darcy's remarkable season to date is so tarnished by 3 slightly down games (WB,Blues,Hawks) out of his 21 played that you gloss over his importance on our chances? Not following you here Scoey.

Pre bye v post bye as I suggested in my earlier comments to you. Weitering has been dominant in a different way to Darcy because both he and Carlton defend differently. It’s like comparing Hawkins and Cameron, both are gun footballers, but they do it differently. In the case of Weitering he plays more a man to man and Darcy a zone because of his closing speed. Why I prefer Weitering as a defender is because Moore gives you looks with a number of KPF’s getting hold of us this year.

 

[Kirby]

I was at the Dogs game and every other match in Victoria this year QB aside. I know how he defends and have seen why he’s tapered. We aren’t defending well in transition.

The thing is the bolded is why you’re wrong and need to step away. I’m not suggesting he’s not one of the best in the business all I’m suggesting is that the way the ball was coming in (very much like how the Dogs moved it) he’s not a player that would have shifted the dial based on where we fell down defensively.

The last sentence is as petty as your drive byes of PS and shows how little you’ve understood of my posts.

I need to “step away”?

Where do you get this massive ego Sco?

Nice of you to defend your biggest fan too. It’s not like the whole of this board can’t see your mutual tongue play.

Your posts aren’t so complicated mate. I know you think that they are. That’s why we love you so much.

 

[Scodog10]

I need to “step away”?

Where do you get this massive ego Sco?

Nice of you to defend your biggest fan too. It’s not like the whole of this board can’t see your mutual tongue play.

Your posts aren’t so complicated mate. I know you think that they are. That’s why we love you so much.

Me with the ego? You can’t even cop being wrong here on Moore and then twisted it into some silly “well why even bother picking him” sook.

Talk about mutual tongue play you WC and Sidey have it on lock! It was the very next post here. Must be a boomer thing (sorry WC if you’re not in that category).

If they’re not so complicated you getting them turned about says a bit for you! Maybe extend the retirement to Big Footy

 

[Kirby]

Me with the ego? You can’t even cop being wrong.

Talk about mutual tongue play you WC and Sidey have it on lock! It was the very next post here. Must be a boomer thing (sorry WC if you’re not in that category).

If they’re not so complicated you getting them turned about says a bit for you! Maybe extend the retirement to Big Footy

Did you really just respond with “you are”?

Your genius analytics are wearing off.

I’m not retiring yet Sco. I can still get you a job in accounts receivable if you think you’re up to it?

 

[stormskye]

 

[windchimes]

Me with the ego? You can’t even cop being wrong.

Talk about mutual tongue play you WC and Sidey have it on lock! It was the very next post here. Must be a boomer thing (sorry WC if you’re not in that category).

If they’re not so complicated you getting them turned about says a bit for you! Maybe extend the retirement to Big Footy

Very humble Professor Scoey as always. I'll never get over this drive-by!

I must say your lectures tend to lose me after the first thousand words before the first signs of any substantial analysis or meaning reveal themselves.

 

[Kirby]

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Can I be Walter Matthau??

 

[manicpie]

Very humble Professor Scoey as always. I'll never get over this drive-by!

I must say your lectures tend to lose me after the first thousand words before the first signs of any substantial analysis or meaning reveal themselves.

Like a taxi driver, he likes to take the longer route but he does get there eventually

 

[Scodog10]

Very humble Professor Scoey as always. I'll never get over this drive-by!

I must say your lectures tend to lose me after the first thousand words before the first signs of any substantial analysis or meaning reveal themselves.

True you may be quick to their aid, but you definitely don’t have the same need to get to the drive by level that they possess. It must be because they’re that much smarter than the rest of us being lawyers (edit retired lawyers) and all.

A point though is still made and always the correct one given my incredibly massive ego… Perhaps this works better. We can’t win the premiership from here? Succinct enough?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Thanks Mate. I know, i got to know the history of the Club by now.

I witnessed the painful losses since our last Premier 2010.
But Well, i am no bandwagon changer. Stand by their side in good Times and More so in Bad Times.

You're joining a supporter base that has resilience that no other on the planet knows of.

Personally my first memories, as a 7 yo watching us capitulate in 77 being the absolute favourite for the bulk of the year, then the horrors of 79,80,81 - The Harmes incident, 21 pts up at 3 qt time in 81, the belting of 80.

Then the pain of the never gonna win against the lions of 02 and 03, then our last foray against wc in 2018, 5 goals up at qt time only to fluff that one too.

The should've been dynasty team of 11, only to be destabalized by some stupid pre organised succession failure coaching plan. Only one flag out of that, even though the same team went 20 wins 2 losses with the 2nd highest percentage in the history of the competition, which is the same team that was the 2nd youngest premiership team in history.

And then there's others on here who felt the pain, of 64, 66, and 70 - that last one, 44 points up at the half only to fluff that one too.

Word of advice, you'll need to gain steely resolve as a supporter for this mob, as much as their undeniable pride in our history of accolades, this club WILL break your heart and if you have that steely resolve you'll front up again for the pain, it will ultimately also give you euphoria when we imminently win our next cups.

The life of a Collingwood supporter, bitter sweet.

 

[manicpie]

True you may be quick to their aid, but you definitely don’t have the same need to get to the drive by level that they possess. It must be because they’re that much smarter than the rest of us being lawyers (edit retired lawyers) and all.

A point though is still made and always the correct one given my incredibly massive ego… Perhaps this works better. We can’t win the premiership from here? Succinct enough?

Is it at all possible that having taken the best that the top 3 have and still walking away with a lot of positives really. I understand where you're coming from but I can't help feeling that we have another gear that we haven't really used yet. I can't help feel that we are more than capable of beating whoever we play in the first week of finals. I just think we aren't completely out of the equation yet. I could be completely wrong but I really think the best is yet to come

 

[Kirby]

True you may be quick to their aid, but you definitely don’t have the same need to get to the drive by level that they possess. It must be because they’re that much smarter than the rest of us being lawyers (edit retired lawyers) and all.

A point though is still made and always the correct one given my incredibly massive ego… Perhaps this works better. We can’t win the premiership from here? Succinct enough?

When do I drive by?

I say everything straight out and to the point. You don’t have to try to guess what I’m saying and I say it to who I’m directing the comment at.

Not like you in this post to windchimes.

Not like your buddy Pragmatic Shill who has cracks at Jen continuously yet tries to pretend he isn’t.

I think it’s cute how you think retirement would be such an insult too. I’ll make sure I write you into my speech when I receive my golden watch.