News Shane McAdam traded to Melbourne for F2

[soli goat]

There's talk that we want a player in return from Melbourne and also hints of 3 or 4 way trade in some capacity.

Could we get Chandler in return or Sparrow from the Dees.... Potential

There's talk that we want a player in return from Melbourne and also hints of 3 or 4 way trade in some capacity.

Could we get Chandler in return or Sparrow from the Dees.... Potentially Petty??

Petty can play back too

 

[Vader]

I’d take Grundy in a straight swap. Would be good deal for both teams. Melbourne get an older forward they need, Crows get an older ruck man they need. Would make both teams better.

How does Grundy make us better? As a ruckman, he's cooked - he's not an upgrade on ROB, and we're not playing a 3rd ruck in the team (TT being the 2nd). So where does he fit in, and how does he make us better?

 

[Bearded Clam]

And they might not be either. FFS, you will ALWAYS assume they've ****ed up. ALWAYS.

Now.. now.. no need to shout at me Jen..

Maybe, just maybe, I take form into account..

Do you?… or do you blindly ignore the recent past?. This club has very poor form in recent times:

-The stengle fxxk up
-the recent sloane re-signing
-the Brad Crouch “bluff”
-the comments from past players like Greenwood about the clubs priorities
-the camp disaster and subsequent botched attempt to cover it up.
-their total inability to make the hard decisions
-their safety sally conservative approach to trades and drafts..

Surely people arent sitting back thinking “oh well.. looks like we lost mcadam.. but hey!.. we’ve kept sloane and murph!.. yay!..”

People dont up and move their whole career/life interstate when they are settled, particularly to more expensive to live cities, over small differences in salary..

Some club in Melbourne has clearly offered him a far better deal.

 

[footy4ever]

How does Grundy make us better? As a ruckman, he's cooked - he's not an upgrade on ROB, and we're not playing a 3rd ruck in the team (TT being the 2nd). So where does he fit in, and how does he make us better?

But haven't you heard? He's a missing piece for destination club Port. He's a superstar.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Agree on Sloane - needed to retire or be retired, and neither he nor the club had the guts to make the necessary call.

McAdam is hot and cold, but also not particularly versatile. You can't really throw him down back or into the midfield if he's not getting the job done up forward or there are fires that need to be put out in other parts of the ground.

McAdam is either having a great day as a forward or is giving us nothing. Murphy can at least be mediocre in a variety of roles

Mcadam is ten times the player murphy is

 

[Vader]

But haven't you heard? He's a missing piece for destination club Port. He's a superstar.

Lycett's likely retirement means that Port don't have an established ruck. I wouldn't describe him as a "missing piece", but they do at least have an identifiable position for him in their best 22.

 

[Vader]

Mcadam is ten times the player murphy is

Exaggerating, much?

 

[footy4ever]

Lycett's likely retirement means that Port don't have an established ruck. I wouldn't describe him as a "missing piece", but they do at least have an identifiable position for him in their best 22.

Agreed. Yes, but it's being viewed as some sort of recruiting coup for Port, which it isn't.

I wonder if Dees will be paying part of his contract?

 

[Vader]

Agreed. Yes, but it's being viewed as some sort of recruiting coup for Port, which it isn't.

I can see him filling an identified need, but not being some great recruiting coup.

I wonder if Dees will be paying part of his contract?

Melbourne & Collingwood will probably both be paying part.

 

[daniel_4tw]

How does Grundy make us better? As a ruckman, he's cooked - he's not an upgrade on ROB, and we're not playing a 3rd ruck in the team (TT being the 2nd). So where does he fit in, and how does he make us better?

ROB is a liability. Lumbering giant struggling up and down the field and isn’t even a good tap tuck man.

Grundy doesn’t work as a forward, but as a sole ruckman is mobile and almost an extra midfielder (you know, what we need).

 

[Crow till I die]

I'd consider this (won't be popular with some) - 3 way trade

McAdam to Melbourne
Melbourne 2nd to GC
Hollands to crows (maybe we add a F4 in if needed)

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I'd consider this (won't be popular with some) - 3 way trade

McAdam to Melbourne
Melbourne 2nd to GC
Hollands to crows (maybe we add a F4 in if needed)

If Melbourne are offering a second I would take that. Not sure if Hollands is the same player, we were talking about 3 years ago.
We need Mutineer back. He is normally on the ball with these things.

 

[Redline]

I can see him filling an identified need, but not being some great recruiting coup.

Melbourne & Collingwood will probably both be paying part.

I don't think Melbourne will. Fairly sure the AFL rules are you can only be "paid" by two clubs. Unless that has changed.

 

[Vader]

ROB is a liability. Lumbering giant struggling up and down the field and isn’t even a good tap tuck man.

Grundy doesn’t work as a forward, but as a sole ruckman is mobile and almost an extra midfielder (you know, what we need).

ROB's not that bad, and the Grundy you're talking about hasn't been seen for at least 2 years.

 

[Vader]

I don't think Melbourne will. Fairly sure the AFL rules are you can only be "paid" by two clubs. Unless that has changed.

Depends on how much Port would be paying him.

• Melbourne would be liable for the difference between his MFC contract and his PA contract.
• Collingwood would be liable for the difference between his COL contract and his MFC contract.

Of course, they're only liable for the period(s) for which he was contracted to the respective clubs.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

would this have saved newchurch from getting the chop at the end of the year?

 

[soli goat]

I’d take Grundy in a straight swap. Would be good deal for both teams. Melbourne get an older forward they need, Crows get an older ruck man they need. Would make both teams better.

There is no way Port can get Grundy and Ratagouela with no first rounders is there??

 

[footy4ever]

I can see him filling an identified need, but not being some great recruiting coup.

Melbourne & Collingwood will probably both be paying part.

That's what I suspected. Once an exceptional player. Might resurrect himself at a club that actually plays him, but really he's another discard Port will pick up and for which they'll be patted on the back for such savvy recruiting.

 

[Jarman3]

I'd consider this (won't be popular with some) - 3 way trade

McAdam to Melbourne
Melbourne 2nd to GC
Hollands to crows (maybe we add a F4 in if needed)

I wouldn't be spending a 2nd on Hollands based on his output so far.

Our current 1st/2nd round picks are what... 9, 20, 23? Add in one of Melbourne's (24 or 34), see what compensation we get for Doedee if he goes, I'm guessing maybe 2nd round? So we've got pick 9 plus 4 second rounders... package up a combination of some/all of that up and see if we can get GC's pick 4 if there's a gun midfielder we think might be there (allowing for it to fall back a bit with whatever the Kangaroos get for McKay and/or AFL charity). I guess if taking Hollands off their hands as steak knives / salary dump is part of it, then fair enough.

Failing that, if we can't address our need for a midfielder this year then see if we can trade some of these picks into next year if we're more likely to be able to get a quality midfielder then.

 

[Peter Doherty]

There is no way Port can get Grundy and Ratagouela with no first rounders is there??

You watch them force out a player they can afford to lose (McAdam), unlocks both these trades and get praised for it on here.

 

[Jarman3]

There is no way Port can get Grundy and Ratagouela with no first rounders is there??

I'm astonished that either of these players is considered to be worth a first round pick.

Grundy at his peak, absolutely, but that was a couple of years ago now. Turning 30 at the start of next season, he's unlikely to get back to those heights on a consistent basis.

Ratagouela has averaged 12 games a season over his 6 years and got dropped this year. Another one whose best is very good, but hasn't produced it anywhere near often enough or for long enough to justify the dollars that have been bandied about, or the trade value that those dollars would suggest.

Port will get them done for some 2nd round picks / fringe players.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

We are assuming this is the case..

Easy for the club to say “hey, we’ve got a 3 year deal sitting there for him so its now our fault he’s not sticking around”… when they dont have to give us the details of that three year deal..

They could be lowballing the hell out of him for all we know.

OK ...let me paint a scenario for you

You believe, McAdam should have been retained at any cost .....and you're fine with 3 years

Fast Fwd to 2026 .....McAdam is 31 yo and struggling .....you'll be the first to do a "sloane" on McAdam, and here's another example of a Crows List Management stuff-up

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Agree on Sloane - needed to retire or be retired, and neither he nor the club had the guts to make the necessary call.

McAdam is hot and cold, but also not particularly versatile. You can't really throw him down back or into the midfield if he's not getting the job done up forward or there are fires that need to be put out in other parts of the ground.

McAdam is either having a great day as a forward or is giving us nothing. Murphy can at least be mediocre in a variety of roles

Only caveat on this, and I agree he should have retired .....is the introduction of a veterans list (again) ......therefore Sloane is an extra on the list, and isn't taking a spot away from a kid

 

[El Doederino]

OK ...let me paint a scenario for you

You believe, McAdam should have been retained at any cost .....and you're fine with 3 years

Fast Fwd to 2026 .....McAdam is 31 yo and struggling .....you'll be the first to do a "sloane" on McAdam, and here's another eaxample of a Crows List Management stuff-up

Also 31 year old McAdam keeps getting picked while Tyler Welsh languishes in the SANFL and seeks a trade as he can't get a kick in his first 2 years.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Also 31 year old McAdam keeps getting picked while Tyler Welsh languishes in the SANFL and seeks a trade as he can't get a kick in his first 2 years.

Wouldn't that get this place a rocking

That said, it's plausible that Welsh would start off in the McAdam role in 2026