List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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[The acurate one]

People talking about mid-late teen picks as if they are at the bottom end of the draft FFS, plenty of talent to be found still and I would rather us not piss away in a pointless trade.

Well said !

 

[Sphynx]

And won't somebody pay through the nose for it.

If Sanders is available, it’s likely worth it.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Waaait a minute...

CLUBS are tossing up ways they can move higher up the draft order over the next month, with Geelong's pick No.7 the next selection to be viewed by rival teams as a potential landing spot.

A handful of teams including Carlton and West Coast are among those with interest in getting higher up the draft order, having made enquiries with clubs about what it would take to shift into a better position.

WC have an interest in going higher up than 1?

Assuming that's a typo, how are WC planning on getting 7 with 20, 34, 41 and 55?

Surely they'd just go for 4 if they were willing to use their F1.

 

[Sphynx]

Waaait a minute...



WC have an interest in going higher up than 1?

Assuming that's a typo, how are WC planning on getting 7 with 20, 34, 41 and 55?

Surely they'd just go for 4 if they were willing to use their F1.

14 & 20 when we trade them it for 1

 

[LB2Snake]

Cannot stress this enough, their mid is in deep doo doo…
They will pick a mid if they trade down, but expect they would only let Pick 1 go for a ridiculous trade

So they can have mckercher. No probs. We take Curtin at 3. Simples.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

If Sanders is available, it’s likely worth it.

For sure but he's who I suspect the Dogs have laser eyes on at the GC pick.

 

[choppy]

The only benefit I see of trading them is they won't be considered when the 2024 package is announced.
These picks don't move the needle for us. They are not quality. All first round picks are not equal. We have lost good contributors through retirement and fa this year and we are replacing them with 18 year Olds and state leaguers. We are not winning 7 games next year.
More pain is ahead of us unfortunately

Negative Nancy

 

[Makeshift Park]

14 & 20 when we trade them it for 1

Its the only thing that makes sense.

The alternative would be to split 2 after we trade it to them, but I don't know how they'd be able to get a pick that gets them Curtin and Geelong's 7.

Occam's razor: they've already settled on a trade with us and they're figuring out how to maximise the picks in the teens.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Geez we must really want Reid, if we prefer him to McKercher AND Geelong's pick 7.

 

[JGreezy]

Pick 14 will be pick 14 - players you can’t get doesn’t affect the players available at said pick.

Here is this year's draft crop. The best talent available.
If you want to know what you're going to get with pick 14, where should you be looking?

 

[Tas]

Going by the fact that North will need to pay through the nose for pick 1, I would say the difference in worth is exponential.

I don't think moving from 1 to 2 needs to be a massive premium, it would still give them certainty beyond Reid. If they go to 3 or beyond, that is where the certainty evaporates, especially if we get band 1 compensation.

If you wanted say McKercher for rebuilding your midfield you can't really trade past us without risking that we wont take him. Even if we offer a lot less than the club the next rung down, they don't know if the player they rate will be there or not. I think once uncertainty comes into the mix you really need a significant premium.

 

[SKD]

WCE can Land Curtin and Tholstrup with 2 & 14 rather than just taking Reid. Seems like a better option to me?

 

[choppy]

Sheez and Wardlaw are 2 years away from big improvement. Sheez performed at such a high level this year it's hard to see him jump another level straight away. We will get improvement from our under 22s. But not enough to jump the gulf out of the bottom 4. 24 months is our timeline for that imo.
I'm not happy saying this by the way. But 4 wins next year would be decent.

He will need to. He has shown glimpses already so it is possible just more likely in a few years I reckon. I think what folks fail to acknowledge is that some our top picks will be duds. I'm not saying sheezal but others will just not come on. Drafting is a guessing game.

Oh really

Go and cry a river

Woe is me

The sky is falling


Lighten up ole mate

 

[JGreezy]

I reckon the Geelong pick is the most overrated pick in the draft. It's two picks out from potentially getting a slider from the real stars and they're gonna over value it so for a team like us with nice trade value to work with we'd be overpaying when we could probably target the Dogs first via the Suns at a discount and get very much somebody highly rated on our board anyway.

Wouldn't we be guaranteed one of O'Sully, Sanders or Caddy with that Geelong pick? Assuming Reid, Curtin, McKercher, Duursma and Watson are definitely gone.

 

[buttox]

Oh really

Go and cry a river

Woe is me

The sky is falling


Lighten up ole mate

I'm being realistic with both eyes open.
As I say happy to be proven wrong but the kids we have need time not massive expectations they are taking us up the ladder next year.
We do have massive potential. But it will take more time yet.

 

[Tas]

I wouldn’t call it overrated.

They will likely get one of Sanders, Caddy or O’Sullivan

It is a good pick, my guess is that Geelong rate a number of players that do not seem to be rated very highly by other clubs, based on the insane offers being made for early picks and they would prefer to get their hands on 2-3 options rather than 1.

 

[PokerRoo]

NM 2-14-F19 (one of the assistance packages picks)
WC 1-F2nd

WC get their extra 1st rouunder, and lock in essentially an early 2nd rounder next regardless of were they finish.
We get our number 1 pick in Reid, and convert 1 of the PP into a real pick next year, that we can either keep or trade into this year. If they are as bad as this year, it costs us virtually nothing, and WC can pack themselves to climb a couple of spots.

 

[The Dingrel]

Earlier the Hawthorn offer was reported as being as high as $850k per year, which would easily provide Band 1 compo, so it wouldn't be necessary to provide McKay with further financial incentives when he has already rejected a higher salary to nominate a club that in my opinion isn't going anywhere with its current list management strategy. I'm still bemused by his choice when he earlier said that he wanted to test his market value through free agency. We should be talking to his manager rather than to McKay. The player manager is responsible for negotiating the highest possible salary he can for his client.

I know you're not saying this, but any money we might pay to McKay or might provide to Hawthorn doesn't form part of the contract money the AFL bases its compensation decision on, otherwise a desired outcome is too easy to manipulate.

Perhaps its the comfort factor of playing for Brad Scott.....who took forever to play him but now he wants him. Like an unwanted redheaded step child who's now feeling the love and seeking positive affirmation.

 

[Tas]

Waaait a minute...



WC have an interest in going higher up than 1?

Assuming that's a typo, how are WC planning on getting 7 with 20, 34, 41 and 55?

Surely they'd just go for 4 if they were willing to use their F1.

If WCE trades out 1, they might want the secondary pick to be higher. I think McKercher and Sanders for pick 1 would end up a good outcome for them.

 

[Makeshift Park]

If WCE trades out 1, they might want the secondary pick to be higher. I think McKercher and Sanders for pick 1 would end up a good outcome for them.

Yes. But what I find most interesting is that they are in contention for 7 at all. There's no way with their current hand they could do it unless they either involve 1 or their F1. And surely they aren't insane enough for the latter.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Wouldn't we be guaranteed one of O'Sully, Sanders or Caddy with that Geelong pick? Assuming Reid, Curtin, McKercher, Duursma and Watson are definitely gone.

There are people on here worried about putting a couple of later picks to 2 to get a generational player, imagine piling them together to get a defender.

For me this is purely the live trading zone. See what's there and then shove in.

 

[The Y Factor]

NM 2-14-F19 (one of the assistance packages picks)
WC 1-F2nd

WC get their extra 1st rouunder, and lock in essentially an early 2nd rounder next regardless of were they finish.
We get our number 1 pick in Reid, and convert 1 of the PP into a real pick next year, that we can either keep or trade into this year. If they are as bad as this year, it costs us virtually nothing, and WC can pack themselves to climb a couple of spots.

Not crazy but 2 & 14 is already generous, equivelant to a srcond rounder ,pick 28 overs. Plus pick 2 gives them the player they want guaranteed plkus 1 more eccellent player free.

Id use that F19 on getting pick 4 or 10 or 7.

 

[Tas]

Yes. But what I find most interesting is that they are in contention for 7 at all. There's no way with their current hand they could do it unless they either involve 1 or their F1. And surely they aren't insane enough for the latter.

I think it is pretty obvious we have been in discussion with WCE with a trade for 1, I think like last year they will have to give an indication as to what they are after for the trade, if we said we want Reid, what will it cost and they say they want McKercher and Sanders then we could do a three way trade with Geelong, we put into the pot what we think is fair for 1, Geelong wants what they want for 7 and we can nut a deal out that way.

It all depends on how the picks fit into what everyone wants/needs.

 

[King Corey]

People talking about mid-late teen picks as if they are at the bottom end of the draft FFS, plenty of talent to be found still and I would rather us not piss away in a pointless trade.

Agree, why we would burn #14 so quickly would bewilder me. We slid #1 last year and only far less in terms of direct return.

 

[Fish Sticks]

Which is fine we did ok last year trading the pps and clearing them before the AFL does next year's package makes sense.
I think we are bad again next year and the AFL bites the bullet. Getting Noah Anderson helped gc finally. Compare that to Logue and Tucker. Picks around 20 are not going to dig us out of this mess

Time will tell. I do respect your point of view but I think it's a hollow threat from the AFL. We have historically got the worst assistance the AFL has ever offered. Picks around 20 are garbage. I think the AFL will realise there mistake and finally offer us something serious. I'm surprised they didn't this year to be honest

There will be no more assistance coming our way next year… we could finish stone motherless last & we still won’t be getting anything. It just ain’t happening!!
Also, I wouldn’t be turning my nose up at picks 19 & 20… they are far from ‘garbage’ picks.
The last few years these picks have got Sam DeKoning, Max Holmes & Jacob Van Rooyen. We have picked Goater & Brayden George after these picks the last couple of years.
These are solid picks to have & plenty of clubs will be wanting to get their hands on them.
We should & will trade next years PP’s as there is every chance we lose them!