Opinion NMFC Board Cricket ThreadII - Windies, Big Bash, Pakistan.

[Samsquanch]

Thinking more of people in other sports, eg; Lindrum.

Walter or Horace?

 

[krakouers]

Walter or Horace?

Another Horace fan eh?

Going over the days shield scorecards - NSW v Tas at SCG, 24 wickets in 60 something overs. HOLY *!

Broke up quicker than I did with my first GF

 

[Hojuman]

Walter or Horace?

Wally.

 

[Horace]

Another Horace fan eh?

Broke up quicker than I did with my first GF

There is or were a few of us about.

Most Famous People Named Horace - #1 is Horace Walpole

The most famous person named Horace is Horace Walpole. Other famous people named include celebrities like Horace Greeley and Horace Silver.

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Thankfully, nowadays I hope, not too many people are stupid enough to inflict that name on one of their offspring. Would rank very highly in the list of child abuse offenses.

 

[spurs]

Thinking more of people in other sports, eg; Lindrum.

Verstappen

 

[Samsquanch]

There is or were a few of us about.

Most Famous People Named Horace - #1 is Horace Walpole

The most famous person named Horace is Horace Walpole. Other famous people named include celebrities like Horace Greeley and Horace Silver.

playback.fm

Thankfully, nowadays I hope, not too many people are stupid enough to inflict that name on one of their offspring. Would rank very highly in the list of child abuse offenses.

True story H...

A few years ago (about 10 or 12 now that I think about it) I wrote a fake "list of baby names" which I let my son find. Top of the list with multiple ticks was Horace, along with Aubrey, Herman and a few others. When he read it he was horrified to think that these were the names we were considering for him.

As it happens, he was born in 2003 and on the morning of his arrival there was a fron page article in the paper about Jason McCartney, and I think that the richmond come-back game might have been the last match my wife went to while she was carrying him so he ended up not being called Horace.

 

[Horace]

True story H...

A few years ago (about 10 or 12 now that I think about it) I wrote a fake "list of baby names" which I let my son find. Top of the list with multiple ticks was Horace, along with Aubrey, Herman and a few others. When he read it he was horrified to think that these were the names we were considering for him.

As it happens, he was born in 2003 and on the morning of his arrival there was a fron page article in the paper about Jason McCartney, and I think that the richmond come-back game might have been the last match my wife went to while she was carrying him so he ended up not being called Horace.

Clearly we have similar senses of humor, SoS. Mine quite often gets me into trouble when I do similar things to that!!

Perhaps it mightn't be such a bad idea to occasionally call him Herman or Aubrey just for LoL's. Then again maybe not. Oh well.

 

[Sillygit]

Its been a super long day, mostly fun but a long time trying to get home. Thought to myself, ah ill see how the cricket is goin, thatll kill some time. Sh*t hasnt even started yet. Subcontinent gets me everytime.

 

[Hojuman]

Verstappen

Nah, more like Slater ( K )

 

[big_e]

Squad for the first test has been announced.

 

[krakouers]

Mitchell Johnson: David Warner does not deserve a farewell Test series after ball tampering disgrace

Spoiler: Full Article

Mitchell Johnson
The West Australian
Sat, 2 December 2023


As we prepare for David Warner’s farewell series, can somebody please tell me why?

Why a struggling Test opener gets to nominate his own retirement date. And why a player at the centre of one of the biggest scandals in Australian cricket history warrants a hero’s send-off?

Warner certainly isn’t Australia’s Test captain and never deserved to be for that matter. In fact, he ends his career under a lifetime leadership ban.

Yes, he has a decent overall record and some say is one of our greatest opening bats. But his past three years in Test cricket have been ordinary, with a batting average closer to what a tail-ender would be happy with.

It’s the ball tampering disgrace in South Africa that many will never forget. Although Warner wasn’t alone in Sandpapergate, he was at the time a senior member of the team and someone who liked to use his perceived power as a “leader”.

Does this really warrant a swan song, a last hurrah against Pakistan that was forecast a year in advance as if he was bigger than the game and the Australian cricket team?

It’s been five years and Warner has still never really owned the ball-tampering scandal.

I enjoyed listening to broadcaster Gerard Whateley this week and he was spot on when it came to Warner. He reminded me of the retirements of Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath and the little fuss that was made by two of Australia’s greatest bowlers.

They didn’t tell the world months in advance when and where they would finish up.

Whateley noted Steve Waugh’s retirement and his iconic red hanky that fans brought along to wave.

What will fans bring for Warner? Bunnings would sell out of sandpaper.

Ultimately, an international cricket career is not just about your statistical achievements with bat or ball. How you held yourself and how you played the game will live long after you depart.

Australia coach Andrew McDonald said recently they will be picking this summer’s Test squad based on current performances.

It would be nice to know how long this strategy has been in place because it doesn’t seem to have applied to Warner for quite a while.

Granted he made his double century against South Africa at the MCG last summer, but they were the only runs he had scored in years. Leading into this year’s Ashes series that was the only time he had reached 50 in his previous 17 Test innings.

When then-captain Tim Paine’s career was ending over the sexting controversy, chairman of selectors George Bailey said he didn’t want to be part of deciding Paine’s fate because the pair were close friends.

Bailey said he would leave it to then coach Justin Langer and fellow selector Tony Dodemaide to work it out.

The handling of Warner in recent years, who played with Bailey in all three forms, raises the question of whether Bailey was simply too quickly out of playing and into the job and too close to some of the players.

I also wonder what the role of the head selector is these days. It seems to have moved to be a part of the inner sanctum, rather than standing aside from it. There are now throw downs for the players, golfing together and celebrating wins to all hours.

So when is the right time to retire from the game?

It’s an individual decision and everyone has their own reasons. At the same time, the common themes are family, travel, and constant scrutiny.

Before I decided to retire in November 2015, I had been asking former players about how they made their decision. A common response was that they had been thinking about it for about a year before pulling the pin.

For me, that was also the case. It wasn’t an everyday thing, not until the last couple of weeks. Then you start thinking about all the reasons why you want to finish up.

I certainly wasn’t thinking about planning a ticker-tape parade so all the fans could clap me off.

Having decided midway through the Test match against New Zealand at the WACA Ground that it would be my last, I announced my international retirement before play on the final day.

I received a guard of honour from the Kiwis and that was embarrassing enough. It wasn’t something I expected but I was grateful in the moment.
I also got to the point where if I couldn’t give it 100 per cent then that wasn’t good enough. It was not fair to play at 80 per cent when they had other bowlers ready to give it their all to play for their country.
It wasn’t about chasing the best game to finish on. I didn’t need a 5-fa or to win the match to be honest, although that would have been nice.
In the end, I got to finish wearing the baggy green with joy and pride and I loved those last moments.

 

[Nate7]

The selectors going with same old and at the same time saying they've all earned their spots on form. Yeah, nah!

Also, not blooding any new top order batsmen or bowlers is a mistake.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Warner gets his retirement tour because he knows where all the bodies are buried.

 

[Roostorm]

Mitchell Johnson: David Warner does not deserve a farewell Test series after ball tampering disgrace

Spoiler: Full Article

Mitchell Johnson
The West Australian
Sat, 2 December 2023


As we prepare for David Warner’s farewell series, can somebody please tell me why?

Why a struggling Test opener gets to nominate his own retirement date. And why a player at the centre of one of the biggest scandals in Australian cricket history warrants a hero’s send-off?

Warner certainly isn’t Australia’s Test captain and never deserved to be for that matter. In fact, he ends his career under a lifetime leadership ban.

Yes, he has a decent overall record and some say is one of our greatest opening bats. But his past three years in Test cricket have been ordinary, with a batting average closer to what a tail-ender would be happy with.

It’s the ball tampering disgrace in South Africa that many will never forget. Although Warner wasn’t alone in Sandpapergate, he was at the time a senior member of the team and someone who liked to use his perceived power as a “leader”.

Does this really warrant a swan song, a last hurrah against Pakistan that was forecast a year in advance as if he was bigger than the game and the Australian cricket team?

It’s been five years and Warner has still never really owned the ball-tampering scandal.

I enjoyed listening to broadcaster Gerard Whateley this week and he was spot on when it came to Warner. He reminded me of the retirements of Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath and the little fuss that was made by two of Australia’s greatest bowlers.

They didn’t tell the world months in advance when and where they would finish up.

Whateley noted Steve Waugh’s retirement and his iconic red hanky that fans brought along to wave.

What will fans bring for Warner? Bunnings would sell out of sandpaper.

Ultimately, an international cricket career is not just about your statistical achievements with bat or ball. How you held yourself and how you played the game will live long after you depart.

Australia coach Andrew McDonald said recently they will be picking this summer’s Test squad based on current performances.

It would be nice to know how long this strategy has been in place because it doesn’t seem to have applied to Warner for quite a while.

Granted he made his double century against South Africa at the MCG last summer, but they were the only runs he had scored in years. Leading into this year’s Ashes series that was the only time he had reached 50 in his previous 17 Test innings.

When then-captain Tim Paine’s career was ending over the sexting controversy, chairman of selectors George Bailey said he didn’t want to be part of deciding Paine’s fate because the pair were close friends.

Bailey said he would leave it to then coach Justin Langer and fellow selector Tony Dodemaide to work it out.

The handling of Warner in recent years, who played with Bailey in all three forms, raises the question of whether Bailey was simply too quickly out of playing and into the job and too close to some of the players.

I also wonder what the role of the head selector is these days. It seems to have moved to be a part of the inner sanctum, rather than standing aside from it. There are now throw downs for the players, golfing together and celebrating wins to all hours.

So when is the right time to retire from the game?

It’s an individual decision and everyone has their own reasons. At the same time, the common themes are family, travel, and constant scrutiny.

Before I decided to retire in November 2015, I had been asking former players about how they made their decision. A common response was that they had been thinking about it for about a year before pulling the pin.

For me, that was also the case. It wasn’t an everyday thing, not until the last couple of weeks. Then you start thinking about all the reasons why you want to finish up.

I certainly wasn’t thinking about planning a ticker-tape parade so all the fans could clap me off.

Having decided midway through the Test match against New Zealand at the WACA Ground that it would be my last, I announced my international retirement before play on the final day.

I received a guard of honour from the Kiwis and that was embarrassing enough. It wasn’t something I expected but I was grateful in the moment.
I also got to the point where if I couldn’t give it 100 per cent then that wasn’t good enough. It was not fair to play at 80 per cent when they had other bowlers ready to give it their all to play for their country.
It wasn’t about chasing the best game to finish on. I didn’t need a 5-fa or to win the match to be honest, although that would have been nice.
In the end, I got to finish wearing the baggy green with joy and pride and I loved those last moments.

Still admire Mitchell and that bowling performance…never before or after an ashes series have l heard a player come on and you could feel the excitement come through the tv / radio coz you knew he would deliver…and did..cant disagree with some of the points he makes…

 

[Roostorm]

The selectors going with same old and at the same time saying they've all earned their spots on form. Yeah, nah!

Also, not blooding any new top order batsmen or bowlers is a mistake.

Would have thought perfect series to bring in new bowlers / batters to be supported by the current team…to dismiss outright is absolutely bonkers….shortsightedness

 

[Nate7]

Would have thought perfect series to bring in new bowlers / batters to be supported by the current team…to dismiss outright is absolutely bonkers….shortsightedness

Agreed, but if they go with blooding players against a soft WI side, that's markedly worse!

 

[krakouers]

The selectors going with same old and at the same time saying they've all earned their spots on form. Yeah, nah!

Also, not blooding any new top order batsmen or bowlers is a mistake.

At least they can (hopefully) release the Wild Thing

 

[Nate7]

At least they can (hopefully) release the Wild Thing

Tait making a comeback?

Kidding mate.

The quick from Tassie looks quicker and more wild than Morris.

 

[Roostorm]

Agreed, but if they go with blooding players against a soft WI side, that's markedly worse!

Absolutely….That will do nothing but set us back years….it should be Pakistan or get st&&$#

 

[SMaturin]

Mitch off the long run one last time.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Pretty savage attack from a former player, feels like a breaking of ranks. His article is very well reasoned though interestingly he doesn't mention Smith's reputational damage from Sandpapergate.

 

[RightWingRoo]

Tait making a comeback?

Kidding mate.

The quick from Tassie looks quicker and more wild than Morris.

Neil-Smith or Bell?

 

[Nate7]

Neil-Smith or Bell?

No, it's Meredith or Ellis.

 

[RightWingRoo]

No, it's Meredith or Ellis.

Ahh OK thinking you were referring to someone newer on the scene.
Meredith is very quick but seems to get injured a lot, doesn't play much cricket.
Ellis is more a military medium white ball specialist. A modern day Nathan Bracken or Adam Dale

 

[Nate7]

Ahh OK thinking you were referring to someone newer on the scene.
Meredith is very quick but seems to get injured a lot, doesn't play much cricket.
Ellis is more a military medium white ball specialist. A modern day Nathan Bracken or Adam Dale

Then it's Riley.