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You could be 12 and record your first song tomorrow & if it's got a guitar solo you've made your first Dad Rock song.
Lose yourself by Eminem is more than two weeks old and begins with a guitar riff.

Dad rock certified

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Wonder how many turn up to this

I'm sure a bunch of whities getting a new date for a national day will sort em out but

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Maybe under another alias though.
 
Wonder how many turn up to this

I'm sure a bunch of whities getting a new date for a national day will sort em out but

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What's your actual point?

Every year you spout this stuff as if we think changing the date is going to reduce the gap or solve indigenous people's issues

Stop being such a contrarian ninny
 
What's your actual point?

Every year you spout this stuff as if we think changing the date is going to reduce the gap or solve indigenous people's issues

Stop being such a contrarian ninny
I think to more people than what everyone here realises, changing the date doesn't change how a lot of people feel about Aus day and that number of people is growing, and I'm a little shocked it is being dismissed by everyone, when I'm one of the least socially progressive around here but the only one acknowledging this. Most think change the date and call stumps, and that the abolish crowd are, well I dunno, not something they are willing to to articulate, but not people they agree with.

I don't believe in pointless change or moving sideways. I do believe based on the current situation, a date change is a sugar hit of social justice that will not last long at all before the same awkward sentiment kicks up again. I don't know how this country arrives at a point where we can have a national day to be proud of and unified by, that doesn't consist of demonstrations and protest against the very concept of Australia.



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I think to more people than what everyone here realises, changing the date doesn't change how a lot of people feel about Aus day and that number of people is growing, and I'm a little shocked it is being dismissed by everyone, when I'm one of the least socially progressive around here but the only one acknowledging this. Most think change the date and call stumps, and that the abolish crowd are, well I dunno, not something they are willing to to articulate, but not people they agree with.

I don't believe in pointless change or moving sideways. I do believe based on the current situation, a date change is a sugar hit of social justice that will not last long at all before the same awkward sentiment kicks up again. I don't know how this country arrives at a point where we can have a national day to be proud of and unified by, that doesn't consist of demonstrations and protest against the very concept of Australia.



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Yes but nobody actually thinks it's "change the date and call stumps" except for you 🙄

obviously there are many other bigger issues that still need to be addressed. It is however relatively easy and a symbolic gesture (much like Rudd's apology many years ago) which, while it may not have fixed anything tangible, it's at the very least a recognition and removes it from the debate. Much like constitutional recognition would've been

But no, you have to take a relentlessly opposing position ignoring all logic and sense
 
It is interesting that there are so many awesome and embraced place names all around Oz that have indigenous roots yet we can't seem to get past this fairly minor impass
I still can't get past that we closed the only automaker that paid tribute to Aboriginal culture in the world, so we could drive the whittest vehicles in the world.

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Yes but nobody actually thinks it's "change the date and call stumps" except for you

obviously there are many other bigger issues that still need to be addressed. It is however relatively easy and a symbolic gesture (much like Rudd's apology many years ago) which, while it may not have fixed anything tangible, it's at the very least a recognition and removes it from the debate. Much like constitutional recognition would've been

But no, you have to take a relentlessly opposing position ignoring all logic and sense

I think to a growing crowd of people it does none of that. I might be ignoring logic and sense but I reckon you're ignoring the way people actually feel about it. That's why I cannot get enthused or hopeful about it at all (though I have no objection to it).

Anyway I'll drop for now it's still ****ing weeks away.

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I think to more people than what everyone here realises, changing the date doesn't change how a lot of people feel about Aus day and that number of people is growing, and I'm a little shocked it is being dismissed by everyone, when I'm one of the least socially progressive around here but the only one acknowledging this. Most think change the date and call stumps, and that the abolish crowd are, well I dunno, not something they are willing to to articulate, but not people they agree with.

I don't believe in pointless change or moving sideways. I do believe based on the current situation, a date change is a sugar hit of social justice that will not last long at all before the same awkward sentiment kicks up again. I don't know how this country arrives at a point where we can have a national day to be proud of and unified by, that doesn't consist of demonstrations and protest against the very concept of Australia.



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I think you're vastly overestimating the prevalence of the 'abolish Australia Day' movement. If it had more than, say, 5% support among Australians I'd be shocked.

Even putting mere popularity aside, it's also a much harder argument to make. Given our nation's history there might be arguments against having a national day, but there are strong arguments for having a national day as well. There are however no good arguments as to why we have to have it on Genocide Day, unless you count 'it triggers the lefties' as a good argument.
 
Today my toddler son ran over my 3d printed charlie dixon with his tonka truck, and I encouraged it.
 
Bluey is the best thing to happen recently because kids are actually being exposed to Australian identity and culture.

Albeit upper middle class Australia.

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