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Sphynx said:
Nobody is saying that.

But it's currency he could have used in any direction he wanted.

The direction he opted for was Dylan Stephens (who I know for a fact was on Clarko's wish list) and Zac Fisher.


It's really not too different to what he did in his final years at Hawthorn with Tom Scully, Tom Phillips and Chad Wingard.


Outside, unaccountable cats.
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Can we just judge all of this at year’s end at least! NOT 6 GAMES IN!
 
One week it's all going to click and we're going to be thinking, "Where the hell has this been".
And it's going to feel amazing.

But hell, I couldn't tell you when it'll be.
 

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spurs said:
we didn't have a choice because we needed to trade them.
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They were crap picks, and the conditions attached devalued them. But they did exactly what the AFL intended, which was to create a public impression that North had been gifted a generous priority pick selection (on top of picks 2 and 3). The impression on social media is that those first two picks were part of the priority package persists every time the subject comes up.
 
gustaaf said:
I can't see us ever improve by trading for rejects from other clubs. When was the last time that really worked? Obviously bringing in quality RFAs would help, but they won't come to our shitshow. I don't know why we have virtually totally ignored category B rookies. Carlton is already in Ireland in an effort to land the most talented ones possibly available. Why can't we be doing that? Basketball is another avenue. We have to do something different to find players who can make a difference, even if it isn't immediate.
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whilst i agree there is only so many players you can get in the draft unless you fill all your remaining spots up with rookies, and agree all avenues should be looked at be it cat B as you say or whatever, iam not for a moment saying we havnt made mistakes and by all means like myself feel free to critisise these. But the bulk is going to come from the pointy end of the draft. As long as those who we pick up to compliment such as pink for example are not signed up for eternity first up this can be continually managed,
 
Danni_Benson said:
Can we just judge all of this at year’s end at least! NOT 6 GAMES IN!
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iam happy to continually assess it, but the only position imo thats immediately under the most scrutiny is Rawlings. i guess only time will tell if he is better suited to his demoted position of need to be shown the door, the problem is with recruiting roles there is a lot of lag before you can judge if there were effective or not, iam confident viney and clarko have seen enough to be able to make the correct call.
 
koshari said:
iam happy to continually assess it, but the only position imo thats immediately under the most scrutiny is Rawlings. i guess only time will tell if he is better suited to his demoted position of need to be shown the door, the problem is with recruiting roles there is a lot of lag before you can judge if there were effective or not, iam confident viney and clarko have seen enough to be able to make the correct call.
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I’m not convinced re Rawlings that’s for sure but again, I keep coming back to it, we struggle as a club to attract the very best people in the business across all roles so we end up with more C grade people than A grade people! I’m hopeful with Clarko and Viney onboard that will change, sooner rather than later.
 



‘Most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard’: Greats divided over AFL’s new body image rules​


Peter Ryan



‘Most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard’: Greats divided over AFL’s new body image rules

Premiership coach Denis Pagan calls it “the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of”.

A player he coached to a flag, Wayne Schwass, says he respects his former coach’s opinion but doesn’t agree.

Welcome to the debate about whether player weights should be published or not and whether potential future AFL players should be subjected to skin fold testing. The AFL confirmed with clubs at a meeting last week that it won’t publish the weights of players and that body composition assessments, or skinfold testing, would also be banned in elite junior competitions.

The league had already removed skinfold tests for potential draftees at the draft combine in 2021. Lists of players representing their states in the under-18 championships published on the AFL website have not included weights this year.

Although club recruiters will still have access to the weights of prospective male draftees, the decision (following on from the call to not publish AFL players’ weights in this year’s AFL season guide) has become a flashpoint for the discussion around how far is too far when it comes to protecting the mental health of young players.

The edicts have come from recommendations made by a working group within the AFL, which has a focus on disordered eating. That group was set up within the AFL’s mental health and wellbeing unit led by Dr Kate Hall and their decisions have caused a mixture of opinions.

“It’s the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. If they are worried about getting their weight published how are they going to be when a 95 kilogram centre half-back runs at them,” Pagan said. His view was similar to that of Essendon great Matthew Lloyd, who said on Footy Classified that “the world’s gone mad” and questioned whether a player would cope with the game if they couldn’t handle weights being published.

Former Carlton skipper Marc Murphy also thinks it’s over the top to not publish weights.


“If I was a young kid coming into the AFL, especially being a key tall, you would probably look at the best key talls and what they weigh and height and try to be similar in a few years. I know they can do that internally but I think it’s a bit ridiculous,” Murphy, who now commentates on ABC, said. “Maybe [the solution] comes back to the under-18 system having better eduction around everything.”

Schwass, who has been a mental health advocate since finishing his 282-game career with North Melbourne and the Swans has a different view.

“I respect their opinions but I don’t agree with it. What worked for us back in our day doesn’t mean it works for the modern-day footballer,” Schwass said.

“We have got a lot more science, we have got a lot more education and I think it is too easy to say we are making less resilient kids because we are doing things different [now] to the way that we did it [then].

“Perhaps we understand more broadly the impact of certain decisions on individuals both as athletes and human beings. I am not an expert in this field but if that is the decision that the sport made, and it is based on evidence and it is based on research, it is a decision the sport should be entitled to make whether people agree with it or not.”

Schwass said while personal stories were hard to tell, the AFL also had a responsibility to present the evidence behind such decisions to help people understand, even if they don’t agree with, the logic.

Essendon’s former VFLW player Eloise Gardner backed the AFL’s decision, saying her obsession with her weight between her first and second seasons at the club pushed her to the verge of an eating disorder.


The AFL’s decision to de-emphasise body weight is in line with a position statement the Australian Institute of Sport put out in 2020 called “disordered eating in high-performance sport”.

Plenty of other former players have had their say on social media, including ex-Cat and Crow Josh Jenkins, who described the decision as ludicrous.

However, former Eagle Will Schofield had no problem with the ban. “They aren’t paid a wage, may not have the resources to know what’s expected in an elite environment,” he said. “By all means test them once in the system – no need as kids though.”
 
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‘Most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard’: Greats divided over AFL’s new body image rules​


Peter Ryan



‘Most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard’: Greats divided over AFL’s new body image rules

Premiership coach Denis Pagan calls it “the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of”.

A player he coached to a flag, Wayne Schwass, says he respects his former coach’s opinion but doesn’t agree.

Welcome to the debate about whether player weights should be published or not and whether potential future AFL players should be subjected to skin fold testing. The AFL confirmed with clubs at a meeting last week that it won’t publish the weights of players and that body composition assessments, or skinfold testing, would also be banned in elite junior competitions.

The league had already removed skinfold tests for potential draftees at the draft combine in 2021. Lists of players representing their states in the under-18 championships published on the AFL website have not included weights this year.

Although club recruiters will still have access to the weights of prospective male draftees, the decision (following on from the call to not publish AFL players’ weights in this year’s AFL season guide) has become a flashpoint for the discussion around how far is too far when it comes to protecting the mental health of young players.

The edicts have come from recommendations made by a working group within the AFL, which has a focus on disordered eating. That group was set up within the AFL’s mental health and wellbeing unit led by Dr Kate Hall and their decisions have caused a mixture of opinions.

“It’s the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. If they are worried about getting their weight published how are they going to be when a 95 kilogram centre half-back runs at them,” Pagan said. His view was similar to that of Essendon great Matthew Lloyd, who said on Footy Classified that “the world’s gone mad” and questioned whether a player would cope with the game if they couldn’t handle weights being published.

Former Carlton skipper Marc Murphy also thinks it’s over the top to not publish weights.


“If I was a young kid coming into the AFL, especially being a key tall, you would probably look at the best key talls and what they weigh and height and try to be similar in a few years. I know they can do that internally but I think it’s a bit ridiculous,” Murphy, who now commentates on ABC, said. “Maybe [the solution] comes back to the under-18 system having better eduction around everything.”

Schwass, who has been a mental health advocate since finishing his 282-game career with North Melbourne and the Swans has a different view.

“I respect their opinions but I don’t agree with it. What worked for us back in our day doesn’t mean it works for the modern-day footballer,” Schwass said.

“We have got a lot more science, we have got a lot more education and I think it is too easy to say we are making less resilient kids because we are doing things different [now] to the way that we did it [then].

“Perhaps we understand more broadly the impact of certain decisions on individuals both as athletes and human beings. I am not an expert in this field but if that is the decision that the sport made, and it is based on evidence and it is based on research, it is a decision the sport should be entitled to make whether people agree with it or not.”

Schwass said while personal stories were hard to tell, the AFL also had a responsibility to present the evidence behind such decisions to help people understand, even if they don’t agree with, the logic.

Essendon’s former VFLW player Eloise Gardner backed the AFL’s decision, saying her obsession with her weight between her first and second seasons at the club pushed her to the verge of an eating disorder.


The AFL’s decision to de-emphasise body weight is in line with a position statement the Australian Institute of Sport put out in 2020 called “disordered eating in high-performance sport”.

Plenty of other former players have had their say on social media, including ex-Cat and Crow Josh Jenkins, who described the decision as ludicrous.

However, former Eagle Will Schofield had no problem with the ban. “They aren’t paid a wage, may not have the resources to know what’s expected in an elite environment,” he said. “By all means test them once in the system – no need as kids though.”
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Skin folds. What skin folds?
 
giantroo said:



‘Most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard’: Greats divided over AFL’s new body image rules​


Peter Ryan



‘Most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard’: Greats divided over AFL’s new body image rules

Premiership coach Denis Pagan calls it “the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of”.

A player he coached to a flag, Wayne Schwass, says he respects his former coach’s opinion but doesn’t agree.

Welcome to the debate about whether player weights should be published or not and whether potential future AFL players should be subjected to skin fold testing. The AFL confirmed with clubs at a meeting last week that it won’t publish the weights of players and that body composition assessments, or skinfold testing, would also be banned in elite junior competitions.

The league had already removed skinfold tests for potential draftees at the draft combine in 2021. Lists of players representing their states in the under-18 championships published on the AFL website have not included weights this year.

Although club recruiters will still have access to the weights of prospective male draftees, the decision (following on from the call to not publish AFL players’ weights in this year’s AFL season guide) has become a flashpoint for the discussion around how far is too far when it comes to protecting the mental health of young players.

The edicts have come from recommendations made by a working group within the AFL, which has a focus on disordered eating. That group was set up within the AFL’s mental health and wellbeing unit led by Dr Kate Hall and their decisions have caused a mixture of opinions.

“It’s the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. If they are worried about getting their weight published how are they going to be when a 95 kilogram centre half-back runs at them,” Pagan said. His view was similar to that of Essendon great Matthew Lloyd, who said on Footy Classified that “the world’s gone mad” and questioned whether a player would cope with the game if they couldn’t handle weights being published.

Former Carlton skipper Marc Murphy also thinks it’s over the top to not publish weights.


“If I was a young kid coming into the AFL, especially being a key tall, you would probably look at the best key talls and what they weigh and height and try to be similar in a few years. I know they can do that internally but I think it’s a bit ridiculous,” Murphy, who now commentates on ABC, said. “Maybe [the solution] comes back to the under-18 system having better eduction around everything.”

Schwass, who has been a mental health advocate since finishing his 282-game career with North Melbourne and the Swans has a different view.

“I respect their opinions but I don’t agree with it. What worked for us back in our day doesn’t mean it works for the modern-day footballer,” Schwass said.

“We have got a lot more science, we have got a lot more education and I think it is too easy to say we are making less resilient kids because we are doing things different [now] to the way that we did it [then].

“Perhaps we understand more broadly the impact of certain decisions on individuals both as athletes and human beings. I am not an expert in this field but if that is the decision that the sport made, and it is based on evidence and it is based on research, it is a decision the sport should be entitled to make whether people agree with it or not.”

Schwass said while personal stories were hard to tell, the AFL also had a responsibility to present the evidence behind such decisions to help people understand, even if they don’t agree with, the logic.

Essendon’s former VFLW player Eloise Gardner backed the AFL’s decision, saying her obsession with her weight between her first and second seasons at the club pushed her to the verge of an eating disorder.


The AFL’s decision to de-emphasise body weight is in line with a position statement the Australian Institute of Sport put out in 2020 called “disordered eating in high-performance sport”.

Plenty of other former players have had their say on social media, including ex-Cat and Crow Josh Jenkins, who described the decision as ludicrous.

However, former Eagle Will Schofield had no problem with the ban. “They aren’t paid a wage, may not have the resources to know what’s expected in an elite environment,” he said. “By all means test them once in the system – no need as kids though.”
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Love Schwatta and as always he makes a lot of sense.
 
giantroo said:



‘Most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard’: Greats divided over AFL’s new body image rules​


Peter Ryan



‘Most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard’: Greats divided over AFL’s new body image rules

Premiership coach Denis Pagan calls it “the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of”.

A player he coached to a flag, Wayne Schwass, says he respects his former coach’s opinion but doesn’t agree.

Welcome to the debate about whether player weights should be published or not and whether potential future AFL players should be subjected to skin fold testing. The AFL confirmed with clubs at a meeting last week that it won’t publish the weights of players and that body composition assessments, or skinfold testing, would also be banned in elite junior competitions.

The league had already removed skinfold tests for potential draftees at the draft combine in 2021. Lists of players representing their states in the under-18 championships published on the AFL website have not included weights this year.

Although club recruiters will still have access to the weights of prospective male draftees, the decision (following on from the call to not publish AFL players’ weights in this year’s AFL season guide) has become a flashpoint for the discussion around how far is too far when it comes to protecting the mental health of young players.

The edicts have come from recommendations made by a working group within the AFL, which has a focus on disordered eating. That group was set up within the AFL’s mental health and wellbeing unit led by Dr Kate Hall and their decisions have caused a mixture of opinions.

“It’s the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. If they are worried about getting their weight published how are they going to be when a 95 kilogram centre half-back runs at them,” Pagan said. His view was similar to that of Essendon great Matthew Lloyd, who said on Footy Classified that “the world’s gone mad” and questioned whether a player would cope with the game if they couldn’t handle weights being published.

Former Carlton skipper Marc Murphy also thinks it’s over the top to not publish weights.


“If I was a young kid coming into the AFL, especially being a key tall, you would probably look at the best key talls and what they weigh and height and try to be similar in a few years. I know they can do that internally but I think it’s a bit ridiculous,” Murphy, who now commentates on ABC, said. “Maybe [the solution] comes back to the under-18 system having better eduction around everything.”

Schwass, who has been a mental health advocate since finishing his 282-game career with North Melbourne and the Swans has a different view.

“I respect their opinions but I don’t agree with it. What worked for us back in our day doesn’t mean it works for the modern-day footballer,” Schwass said.

“We have got a lot more science, we have got a lot more education and I think it is too easy to say we are making less resilient kids because we are doing things different [now] to the way that we did it [then].

“Perhaps we understand more broadly the impact of certain decisions on individuals both as athletes and human beings. I am not an expert in this field but if that is the decision that the sport made, and it is based on evidence and it is based on research, it is a decision the sport should be entitled to make whether people agree with it or not.”

Schwass said while personal stories were hard to tell, the AFL also had a responsibility to present the evidence behind such decisions to help people understand, even if they don’t agree with, the logic.

Essendon’s former VFLW player Eloise Gardner backed the AFL’s decision, saying her obsession with her weight between her first and second seasons at the club pushed her to the verge of an eating disorder.


The AFL’s decision to de-emphasise body weight is in line with a position statement the Australian Institute of Sport put out in 2020 called “disordered eating in high-performance sport”.

Plenty of other former players have had their say on social media, including ex-Cat and Crow Josh Jenkins, who described the decision as ludicrous.

However, former Eagle Will Schofield had no problem with the ban. “They aren’t paid a wage, may not have the resources to know what’s expected in an elite environment,” he said. “By all means test them once in the system – no need as kids though.”
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The people that run the afl are facilitating to become the softest and insufferable sport imo

It’s probably going to be touch footy in the future too lol
 

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Just back to commentary for a second.

What is with AFL media lately referring to themselves as "this masthead".

Sounds so stupid and wanky and seems to be cropping up a lot.
 
Supreme_Chancellor said:
Is there any footage of Chom’s spray towards the backline?
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If there is would only be down the ground vision after the goal, I can't remember which one it was as I was crying into my scarf after each goal

But he was visibly aggressive, pointing, throwing arms around and yelling

McDonalds reaction was embarrassing, just kind of looked away. You are the captain man for Gods sake
 
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North uploaded a new sponsor announcement (bulk nutrients), and already blaming them for our losses.

"You can't perform at this level without the right support"
 
Roscoe said:
The weight business is all about the woke AFL's obsession with DEI. They don't want to upset the AFLW girls with their weights being published so they have no alternative than to make their directive applicable across all genders. Next it'll be extended to revealing the players ages.
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I mean, that would make sense, if the new directive didn't have separate rules for female athletes anyway that don't extend to men.
If you're AFLW bound, you can opt to not be weighed at all.
 
DarkPhoenix said:
I mean, that would make sense, if the new directive didn't have separate rules for female athletes anyway that don't extend to men.
If you're AFLW bound, you can opt to not be weighed at all.
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So it isn’t about that at all? Well, I’ll be.
 
Roscoe said:
The weight business is all about the woke AFL's obsession with DEI. They don't want to upset the AFLW girls with their weights being published so they have no alternative than to make their directive applicable across all genders. Next it'll be extended to revealing the players ages.
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Yep. Woke garbage.

Clubs have dieticians and fitness staff. That's what they are there for. Individually tailored meal plans. Workouts. Etc.

If players are on the verge of eating disorders, they are not listing to the experts employed by the club.
 
I put far more store in what Rick18 wrote about the team this week than anything I’ve read anywhere else. During the second quarter, I got so disenchanted with what we were dishing up that I got up and watched the rest of the game, pretty much on my own, next to where they sell the coffee on L1 North End. There’s a massive screen there, so it’s possible to get serious good close ups of the action. What became clear to me was that Xerri and Comben are the only two players on our team that actually attack the ball/opposition. Every other player is tentative, at best. I’m convinced that’s why Xerri wins taps and follows up and actually gains possession. He’s fighting at all times. Our other mids are just ball watching. It’s the same all over the ground. Everyone is so afraid of making mistakes that we become almost inert. After the first 4 rounds, Nostradamus had actually given up on calling for Bailey Scott to get dropped - due to the fact that Bailey wasn’t making mistakes. Suddenly, in the last two games, he’s making a few very noticeable shockers. Last week, N was back calling for him to be dropped again. As Rick18 mentions, it’s all about confidence and trust, two commodities that don’t exist at North right now. We can always improve our list but it’s not the most important failing right now. I’ll stop now, as I’m rambling. 🤪
 
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